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MaHab

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Hello everyone,

I’m seeking advice regarding my PR card renewal application, which has been referred to Program Support at IRCC. Here’s a brief overview of my situation:
  • My first and only PR card expired 13 years ago when I was 18. I entered Canada by land in mid May 2022 with my expired PR card and COPR without being reported. Before that, I had only been in Canada for a few months here and there till 2015. Between 2015 and 2022, I was not in Canada for an extended period for various reasons.
  • I applied for my PR card renewal in late May 2024 with 740 days in Canada over the last five years. In early July 2024, I left Canada for my country of origin for urgent personal matters and immediately applied for an urgent PRTD. After waiting about 1.5 months for my PRTD, I decided to renew my US visitor visa to return to Canada by land via the US. This plan worked, and I re-entered Canada in early September 2024. I have no plans to leave Canada again until I apply for and obtain Canadian citizenship.
  • Due to delays in my applications, I requested GCMS notes for both my PR card renewal and PRTD applications, receiving them after my return to Canada. I withdrew my PRTD application via webform as it was no longer needed and I didn’t want it to slow down my PR card renewal. Thankfully, the withdrawal request appears on my PRTD GCMS notes.
  • In my PR card renewal GCMS notes, I noticed a statement at the end saying: "FILE REF'D to PS- TRIAGE 1," and "CLIENT DECLARES 1086 DAYS ABSENT UNDER - OTHER." This note was dated in early August 2024. From my research, I understand that this means my case was referred to "Program Support", which handles complex cases. However, it doesn’t necessarily indicate that it’s under secondary review.

My Questions:
  1. Has anyone experienced their PR card renewal being referred to Program Support? What does this typically mean for the processing time, and what should I expect next?
  2. As I have no plans to leave Canada, my primary need for a PR card is to prove my PR status to provincial governments for purposes such as renewing my Alberta driver’s licence. Due to delays, I also applied for a Verification of Status (VOS) document, hoping it might be accepted by Service Alberta as proof of my PR status. My COPR is very old and often not accepted. Does anyone have experience using a VOS document to prove PR status to provincial governments, especially in Alberta? The VOS itself takes around 6 months to be issued and my current Alberta driver's licence expires in 8 months from now (June 2025).
Any insights, advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
 

armoured

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My Questions:
  1. Has anyone experienced their PR card renewal being referred to Program Support? What does this typically mean for the processing time, and what should I expect next?
  2. As I have no plans to leave Canada, my primary need for a PR card is to prove my PR status to provincial governments for purposes such as renewing my Alberta driver’s licence. Due to delays, I also applied for a Verification of Status (VOS) document, hoping it might be accepted by Service Alberta as proof of my PR status. My COPR is very old and often not accepted. Does anyone have experience using a VOS document to prove PR status to provincial governments, especially in Alberta? The VOS itself takes around 6 months to be issued and my current Alberta driver's licence expires in 8 months from now (June 2025).
Any insights, advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
1. The note about 1086 days absent indicates that it was probably referred because you applied with only 740 days, and possibly there was some additional because you'd in fact been out of Canada most of the 10 years before. Yes, it can take longer. Hard to say how much longer. Possibly you leaving Canada after applying caused them to delay things again.

But if you had the 740 days, it will get done.

You can inquire through your MP and call the call centre. About the only things I can think of that might be useful at this point is to confirm explicitly that you are in Canada; one way to do so would be to ask to request/confirm your address.

It's possible they will ask you to come in and pick up your card. If so, that should go fine for you, that will mostly be checking that you are in Canada.

2. Personally I'd assume for time being you will get the new PR card well in advance of the other doc expiring.
 
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Any insights, advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
In essence I concur with @armoured's view, that it is quite likely the application will be approved (based on actual presence in Canada for more than 730 days in the relevant time period), a new card issued within the coming months (less than eight months), subject to the possibility that IRCC will require an in-person PR card pick-up (largely to verify identity and presence in Canada, but which could also include an interview/questioning to verify RO compliance).

HOWEVER, what is likely to happen is NOT necessarily what will happen . . . generally probabilities are not predictive, even what is very likely, let alone merely "likely," is not predictive unless there is a sufficiently high probability to support a prediction; to say what is likely is not to predict the outcome, let alone dictate what will happen. So I am not sure about "assuming" you will be getting a new PR card before the provincial drivers' license expires, at least not to the extent you rely on it.

Meanwhile, while technically a province's rules may state that presentation of a valid PR card is required to renew provincial programs or licensing, like health care coverage and drivers' licenses, it appears that at least in some provinces they do not in practice ask to see a valid PR card for those already licensed or enrolled in the provincial program. That is, while the rules are the same (requiring valid PR card for example), in practice the renewal procedure is not so strict as it is for those applying for the first time. (I have never been asked to show documentation of my status to renew either my drivers' license or health care coverage in Ontario, and only somewhat recently realized that for OHIP it still shows me to be a PR more than a decade after I became a citizen . . . will try to remember to fix that when I next renew OHIP). I do not know about Alberta in particular.


1. Has anyone experienced their PR card renewal being referred to Program Support? What does this typically mean for the processing time, and what should I expect next?

2. As I have no plans to leave Canada, my primary need for a PR card is to prove my PR status to provincial governments for purposes such as renewing my Alberta driver’s licence. Due to delays, I also applied for a Verification of Status (VOS) document, hoping it might be accepted by Service Alberta as proof of my PR status. My COPR is very old and often not accepted. Does anyone have experience using a VOS document to prove PR status to provincial governments, especially in Alberta? The VOS itself takes around 6 months to be issued and my current Alberta driver's licence expires in 8 months from now (June 2025).
The label "Program Support" does not illuminate much. Your PR card application is clearly involved in non-routine processing. Hard to say what the nature and scope of that is. If it is merely a referral to conduct inquiries to verify your presence in Canada has been sufficient to meet the PR Residency Obligation, approval of the new card could happen any day now. As noted, an in-person pick-up might be required, but IRCC might proceed to deliver the new card by mail.

Avoiding the temptation to revisit the range of what non-routine processing of a PR card application can entail, while RO compliance is the typical focus of inquiry, the concern or issue at stake could include any grounds for inadmissibility.

I am not sure, but I believe that a referral to program support can be made by either CPC-Sydney or a local office. While the current PDIs describe the referral of "complex" cases to the Domestic Network (mostly meaning local offices), it is not clear whether this is for concerns other than RO compliance, or whether the PS unit is considered part of the Domestic Network.

As I have discussed in responses to queries by you before, even though cutting-it-close (such as applying with just 740 days credit toward RO compliance) does not itself appear to trigger elevated scrutiny, other factors in conjunction with that can be what triggers non-routine processing. And either a history like yours, or the travel outside Canada after applying, let alone both, increase the risk.

As @armoured previously said, and I agreed, in regards to RO screening attendant your prospective arrival at a PoE (back before your recent return here), "factual disagreement about absences are rather rare." But that was specifically in the context of a PoE examination. In the context of a PR card application, if the PR's travel history is complete and accurate it is still true that factual disagreement would be unusual; but of course if there is any reason to question the PR's account of travel history, well, it can and will be questioned. Which is to say if you have completely and accurately reported your travel history, and you were in Canada more than 730 days within the preceding five years, there should be NO problem with the RO, even if it takes awhile for IRCC to be satisfied.

Thus, as long as you have no other inadmissibility issues (no serious criminality, no security concerns, no misrepresentations), there should not be a problem. And you should be getting a new card within a few months at most.

If there is reason for IRCC to have admissibility concerns apart from RO compliance, that would make it very difficult to forecast how long the processing will take, or even what the outcome will be. You would know better if there is any prospect of this. (For example, to the extent there are records of the PoE examination during your return to Canada in 2022, they could be reviewed to ascertain if any misrepresentations were made . . . which is NOT to suggest this is likely, more just a possibility, elevated some given the recent PoE examination during which you were questioned about your arrival in 2002.)
 
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MaHab

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Thank you so much, @armoured and @dpenabill, for your invaluable guidance and ongoing support. I wanted to share an update regarding my PRTD application. Despite having previously requested its withdrawal (and even reconfirming this yesterday through a second webform), I just received an email requesting my passport submission.

While this development was unexpected, I assume it could be a positive sign—perhaps indicating that IRCC has reviewed my residency and determined that I meet the Residency Obligation. For context, I applied for the PRTD with 779 days in Canada, while my PR card renewal was submitted with 740 days.

The passport request letter outlines two options for submitting the required documents (passport, two photos, and a copy of the letter):
  1. If residing outside Canada: Submit the documents to the Visa Application Centre (VAC) in the country where the application was filed.
  2. If residing inside Canada: Send the documents to the Case Processing Centre in Ottawa via Canada Post Xpresspost, including a prepaid Xpresspost envelope for the return.
This situation is a bit confusing since I’m currently in Canada and had already requested the withdrawal of my application. I’m unsure whether I should send my passport to Ottawa, as it seems unusual to be issued a PRTD from within Canada (unless it's for a multiple-entry PRTD or some similar exception).

Additionally, the letter contains another confusing detail. Despite my status as a PR, it states:

"The processing of your application for permanent residence in Canada is almost complete. You must complete the following steps within 30 days in order for your confirmation of permanent residence to be issued and, if applicable, your permanent residence visa."

Seems like the PPR email/letter that PR applicants patiently wait for.


This raises further questions—could IRCC be trying to issue me a multiple-entry PRTD while my PR card application is under review? Has anyone encountered a similar situation before? I wasn’t aware that PRTDs could be issued on a passport from within Canada.

I’d greatly appreciate any insights or advice on whether I should proceed with submitting my passport or if this could simply be a procedural mix-up given my withdrawal request. I haven’t yet contacted the IRCC Client Support Centre (although they typically indicate they don’t have access to applications processed by visa offices abroad), but I will update this thread if I get more information.

Thank you again for your help!
 

dpenabill

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Thank you so much, @armoured and @dpenabill, for your invaluable guidance and ongoing support. I wanted to share an update regarding my PRTD application. Despite having previously requested its withdrawal (and even reconfirming this yesterday through a second webform), I just received an email requesting my passport submission.

While this development was unexpected, I assume it could be a positive sign—perhaps indicating that IRCC has reviewed my residency and determined that I meet the Residency Obligation. For context, I applied for the PRTD with 779 days in Canada, while my PR card renewal was submitted with 740 days.

The passport request letter outlines two options for submitting the required documents (passport, two photos, and a copy of the letter):
  1. If residing outside Canada: Submit the documents to the Visa Application Centre (VAC) in the country where the application was filed.
  2. If residing inside Canada: Send the documents to the Case Processing Centre in Ottawa via Canada Post Xpresspost, including a prepaid Xpresspost envelope for the return.
This situation is a bit confusing since I’m currently in Canada and had already requested the withdrawal of my application. I’m unsure whether I should send my passport to Ottawa, as it seems unusual to be issued a PRTD from within Canada (unless it's for a multiple-entry PRTD or some similar exception).

Additionally, the letter contains another confusing detail. Despite my status as a PR, it states:

"The processing of your application for permanent residence in Canada is almost complete. You must complete the following steps within 30 days in order for your confirmation of permanent residence to be issued and, if applicable, your permanent residence visa."

Seems like the PPR email/letter that PR applicants patiently wait for.


This raises further questions—could IRCC be trying to issue me a multiple-entry PRTD while my PR card application is under review? Has anyone encountered a similar situation before? I wasn’t aware that PRTDs could be issued on a passport from within Canada.

I’d greatly appreciate any insights or advice on whether I should proceed with submitting my passport or if this could simply be a procedural mix-up given my withdrawal request. I haven’t yet contacted the IRCC Client Support Centre (although they typically indicate they don’t have access to applications processed by visa offices abroad), but I will update this thread if I get more information.

Thank you again for your help!
I was skeptical that the withdrawing of the PR TD application was so easily and quickly effected. So I am not at all surprised that it is still more or less in the system.

This situation is so particular, if not peculiar, I cannot suggest how to handle it or how to proceed.

I can say that communications from IRCC have long been bloated with a ton of boilerplate information that is often not relevant in the particular instance, and it is up to the individual client (here that is you, a PR) to read the communication and glean from it what specifically applies to them and what does not. So I would suggest carefully re-reading the communication, probably several times, doing your best to just understand what it is stating and then figuring out what applies to you. BE CAREFUL to NOT read what YOU think it should say or what you want it to say, but to focus on understanding it as best you can as OBJECTIVELY as possible. Probably helps to share this (the actual content) with someone you trust and let them read it for themselves without your input about what you think it says.

At the least a passport request indicates there has been no adverse determination denying the PR TD application, but rather suggests a favourable decision. So, yeah, this is probably good news, and probably means there should not be any problems with the PR card application. (Subject to the risk of something awry in the Visa Office resulting in an odd anomaly of some sort, which is probably only a remote risk barely in the range of possible.)

Timeline for PR card is still an unknown but the odds lean in the direction of getting a new card within the coming months if not weeks.

As inconvenient, time-consuming, and oft times difficult as it is to get through to the help centre, if you can get through in a telephone call they may be able to clarify what you should do.
 
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As inconvenient, time-consuming, and oft times difficult as it is to get through to the help centre, if you can get through in a telephone call they may be able to clarify what you should do.
I'd agree with this. With calling likely as first priority. Truth is, the ~six months processing is not that long. Main thing I'd want to communicate and ask info about is that what you really want is the PR card, where is it in process, and how soon might you expect it.

I was going to suggest you could submit your passport in Canada if you wanted the PRTD in case of travel needs. The more I think about that, I'd be more concerned about how long it might take to get the passport back (not out of any inherent issue, just that someone opening it might get confused by the file and not know what to do and ... it might end up in a low priority bin).

Leaving the only real question that I'd want to know - will having the approved PRTD (with passport pending) delay the PR card issuance at all? Does it make sense to cancel the PRTD app (is that required in some administraive requirement to unblock the card issuance)?

Yep, I'd focus on calling and just telling the truth / asking the question - you mainly want the PR card, how do you move things along with that, since you don't (really) need the PRTD if they're going to issue the card soon?
 
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While this development was unexpected, I assume it could be a positive sign—perhaps indicating that IRCC has reviewed my residency and determined that I meet the Residency Obligation. For context, I applied for the PRTD with 779 days in Canada, while my PR card renewal was submitted with 740 days.
I forgot to say - i think congratulations are mostly in order, in that I personally think the obvious and straightforward implication is that yes, they probably did count you as being in compliance and there shouldn't be anything to worry about.

That's not to say it's 100% - understandably you won't feel certain about it until you get the PR card - but it seems to me most likely that all is in order.
 
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Thank you @dpenabill for your input and advice, and @armoured for your reassurance and congratulations. I was able to contact IRCC on Thursday, and they advised me to respond directly to the email containing the unusual letter, explaining my situation. I was told to clarify that I am currently inside Canada and have already requested the withdrawal of my PRTD application.

Additionally, IRCC confirmed that the format of the letter is indeed incorrect, as PRTDs are never issued from within Canada. They suggested I mention this in my response, noting that a passport request for a PRTD application should only provide the option to submit the passport to a VAC abroad.

I have since replied to the email, explaining my circumstances and asking for further guidance on how to proceed. Once I receive a response, I’ll update this thread, as I believe my case could be helpful to others who may find themselves in similar situations.

Thank you again for your support!
 
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MaHab

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Hello again,

I wanted to provide some updates and share a concern that I hope someone might have insight into.

First, my PRTD application was successfully withdrawn, and I received a confirmation letter from the Embassy on October 20, 2024.

Second, my MP’s constituency assistant recently contacted IRCC and confirmed that no final decision has been made on my PR card application yet. She mentioned that the agent she contacted (which i presume is from IRCC’s Ministerial Centre for Members of Parliament and Senators) will send a letter to IRCC requesting that a decision be made as soon as possible, and that it should take at least 10 business days for a decision. Has anyone heard of this kind of letter before, and if so, how effective has it been in expediting the process?

I also recently found out through my CBSA GCMS notes that an inadmissibility report under subsection 44(1) was filed against me in 2015. This report was escalated to the minister’s delegate but was later dismissed when I left Canada before it was reviewed.

I was unaware of this report entirely. In 2015, after my interview with the CBSA officer at the land border, I’m certain I didn’t receive a copy of the report or sign any paperwork. When the officer asked me to sign a paper, I pointed out an error in my address, and he then took the paper back without informing me of any further steps or correspondence to expect. When I re-entered in 2022, I wasn’t informed of the report either. The CBSA officer asked if I was aware of any report, and I explained that I wasn’t. She didn’t bring it up further and allowed me to enter without mentioning anything else about reports at all. According to my notes, the 2015 report was cancelled on that same day.

When I returned to Canada again via land in 2024 (meeting the residency obligations this time), the CBSA officer mentioned that they had considered filing a report against me in 2022 but ultimately decided not to due to H&C reasons (I had documented H&C reasons upon entry in 2022). He, too, did not inform me about the 2015 report.

Unfortunately, in the notes, the officer from 2015 wrote “given to client,” which seems to indicate that I received the report, even though I did not.

This has become a concern for my PR renewal application, as I answered “No” to the question about inadmissibility reports on both my PR renewal and PRTD applications, not knowing that the report existed.

The one potentially positive aspect is that my PRTD application seems to have been approved regardless, as suggested by the unusual passport request letter I received.

I’m concerned, however, that this situation may be causing delays in my PR card processing, and I’m anxious about the potential impact on my PR status overall. I answered the question in good faith based on what I knew at the time, but I worry that this misunderstanding could complicate my case.

Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or does anyone know how cases like this are typically handled? Would it be advisable to contact IRCC proactively to explain the situation, or is it better to just wait and see what happens after the 10 business days? Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
 

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Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or does anyone know how cases like this are typically handled? Would it be advisable to contact IRCC proactively to explain the situation, or is it better to just wait and see what happens after the 10 business days? Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Your history, and perhaps your current situation as well, is way more complex and tangled in details particular to you, and perhaps peculiar to you, than what we see in this forum. I doubt anyone will come forward with much in the way of personal experience comparable to yours. And even if someone has had a comparable experience, there are clearly so many particular details which can steer things very differently, another individual's experience is not likely to illuminate much about what you are going through or what will happen.

Thus, I cannot venture even a wild guess what the status of things are for you, other than to say it looks like things are OK OR very much NOT OK . . . that is,
-- all might be good, PR card on the way, allowing for the possibility of some further delay, potentially a lengthy delay . . . OR
-- you need a lawyer​
and I really cannot guess which, leaning a bit toward the it's-all-OK perspective, which illuminates nothing.

Lots of interesting twists in the history. Even though I cannot offer much, and I doubt anyone here can offer much more either (if someone can, hopefully they come forward), please do keep the forum updated about how this goes.
 
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Unfortunately, in the notes, the officer from 2015 wrote “given to client,” which seems to indicate that I received the report, even though I did not.

This has become a concern for my PR renewal application, as I answered “No” to the question about inadmissibility reports on both my PR renewal and PRTD applications, not knowing that the report existed.
... I answered the question in good faith based on what I knew at the time, but I worry that this misunderstanding could complicate my case.
Limited only to this part of your question, would this somehow constitute misrepresentation (or something similar): my guess is no, it's too specific in timeframe, too old to open as an issue now, with obvious questions arising for them to re-open this aspect now (if they even did have interest in it).

Because underlying this is that it is NOT plausible that you withholding this information, intentionally or not, could have caused them to MISS the information they already had. It was recent, internal to the government, not hidden, etc. It seems you were the only person not privy to the information, certainly not them.

So I'd suggest waiting.

But again, only a guess. If you have a lawyer, you could ask them if this is worth doing anything about.
 
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Hello again,

I wanted to provide some updates and share a concern that I hope someone might have insight into.

First, my PRTD application was successfully withdrawn, and I received a confirmation letter from the Embassy on October 20, 2024.

Second, my MP’s constituency assistant recently contacted IRCC and confirmed that no final decision has been made on my PR card application yet. She mentioned that the agent she contacted (which i presume is from IRCC’s Ministerial Centre for Members of Parliament and Senators) will send a letter to IRCC requesting that a decision be made as soon as possible, and that it should take at least 10 business days for a decision. Has anyone heard of this kind of letter before, and if so, how effective has it been in expediting the process?

I also recently found out through my CBSA GCMS notes that an inadmissibility report under subsection 44(1) was filed against me in 2015. This report was escalated to the minister’s delegate but was later dismissed when I left Canada before it was reviewed.

I was unaware of this report entirely. In 2015, after my interview with the CBSA officer at the land border, I’m certain I didn’t receive a copy of the report or sign any paperwork. When the officer asked me to sign a paper, I pointed out an error in my address, and he then took the paper back without informing me of any further steps or correspondence to expect. When I re-entered in 2022, I wasn’t informed of the report either. The CBSA officer asked if I was aware of any report, and I explained that I wasn’t. She didn’t bring it up further and allowed me to enter without mentioning anything else about reports at all. According to my notes, the 2015 report was cancelled on that same day.

When I returned to Canada again via land in 2024 (meeting the residency obligations this time), the CBSA officer mentioned that they had considered filing a report against me in 2022 but ultimately decided not to due to H&C reasons (I had documented H&C reasons upon entry in 2022). He, too, did not inform me about the 2015 report.

Unfortunately, in the notes, the officer from 2015 wrote “given to client,” which seems to indicate that I received the report, even though I did not.

This has become a concern for my PR renewal application, as I answered “No” to the question about inadmissibility reports on both my PR renewal and PRTD applications, not knowing that the report existed.

The one potentially positive aspect is that my PRTD application seems to have been approved regardless, as suggested by the unusual passport request letter I received.

I’m concerned, however, that this situation may be causing delays in my PR card processing, and I’m anxious about the potential impact on my PR status overall. I answered the question in good faith based on what I knew at the time, but I worry that this misunderstanding could complicate my case.

Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or does anyone know how cases like this are typically handled? Would it be advisable to contact IRCC proactively to explain the situation, or is it better to just wait and see what happens after the 10 business days? Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
Did you inform IRCC that you were leaving in 2015?
 
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I think I did, yes, it even states that on the report.
I was very honest with them.
Sounds like they may have been under the impression that you were leaving Canada permanently and didn’t pursue further action in 2015 because of this.
 
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