PR application declined for not meeting requirements ?!?!??!!?!

[fossy]

so after doing everything and getting all the documents to send my application out now 2 weeks after paying everything and waiting for answer i get this !

Thank you for your interest in Canada.
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) has reviewed your application for permanent
residence. We have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of a complete
application as described in sections 10 and 12.01 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations.
Your application is rejected for being incomplete.
Specifically, your application does not include the following elements:
- Proof of Education
Original copy of your Education Documents (along with the translated version) and an
ECA (Educational Credential Assessment) are required.
Note: A full review of your application was not performed. There may be other elements, not identified
above, which may also be missing or incomplete.
Refund of fees
As we are rejecting your application, IRCC will refund the fees that you have paid. This includes a refund
of the processing fee and the Right of Permanent Residence Fee, if you have already paid this fee.
Job Seeker account
Since your application is rejected, you are no longer a candidate for Express Entry and your Express
Entry profile number is no longer valid.
If you registered for the Government of Canada’s Job Bank, you should deactivate or remove your Job
Seeker profile from the Job Bank website. You should also remove any references that you are a
candidate for Express Entry from any private job board websites, if you used any.




i am pretty upset about this right now to be honest , cause i am pretty sure i included every single bit of documentation of all my history . why would the application even right away be cancelled instead of a email like said in the start of your application that cic will contact if there are missing files ?
can i somehow get this straightened out or do i really have to start all this stuff all over again ?

i been here now over 10 years got a good education (journeyman automotive mechanic including redseal ticket for canada) slowly getting to the point to question if all this is really worth it or not just so bummed about this new letter here now without getting any kind of email if i could provide said missing files
now the website is down (like so often) and i cant even see if i somehow can look back into my provided documents on what was supposed to be missing



any help would be greatly appreciated on what my next steps should be or if it really just means to have to start all over again

 

[siriusnick]

The letter is pretty self-explanatory, you are missing:

- Proof of Education
Original copy of your Education Documents (along with the translated version) and an
ECA (Educational Credential Assessment) are required.

They always do a completeness check before putting the package into queue, and it is a great practice, since next time they open your file is going to be 150 days from the AOR. Just do your due diligence, if you are unsure, ask a consultant.

 

[fossy]

well but the thing is that i provided everything !

i even phoned twice and was told that since i will be providing the redseal card (rewrote the journeyman test for my job here in canada) that i dont need additional documents , since the red seal card shows in fact that i am licensed mechanic

even says right on the website

Who needs an ECA?
If you have a Canadian degree, diploma or certificate, you do not need to get an ECA for that credential.

which i have and provided a copy of the card and a letter from the red seal office in saskatchewan with when and where i wrote the test

 

[Dexmoody]

well but the thing is that i provided everything !

i even phoned twice and was told that since i will be providing the redseal card (rewrote the journeyman test for my job here in canada) that i dont need additional documents , since the red seal card shows in fact that i am licensed mechanic

even says right on the website

Who needs an ECA?
If you have a Canadian degree, diploma or certificate, you do not need to get an ECA for that credential.

which i have and provided a copy of the card and a letter from the red seal office in saskatchewan with when and where i wrote the test

Which immigration program did you apply for? CEC, FSW or FST?

Check you ITA, it should state it.

 

[fossy]

since all the info is deleted now and i am a little threw my mind with all this i do think i applied under skilled worker if i recall right

http://i.imgur.com/WSd3glB.jpg?1

and here a picture of the uploaded files (first file gesselenbrief english) is the same document i have been using for the last 10 years to get my visas never ever had an issue with it since its the original and the translation of my german journeyman ticket only addition i did this time is i included the canadian redseal ticket and documentation also

 

[Dexmoody]

Mate, first off in that second picture it shows your full name - not sure if you want that to be public on this forum.

it looks like you uploaded a foreign degree as you highest form of education. Any foreign degrees will need an ECA. Have you done an ECA for it?

 

[fossy]

no i have not , cause it clearly states on there site that if you have a canadian degree that u dont need the ECA and i provided them with the document and red seal ticket that shows the canadian degree

it really sucks that u cant look at the files you uploaded it just shows you the name

 

[Dexmoody]

no i have not , cause it clearly states on there site that if you have a canadian degree that u dont need the ECA and i provided them with the document and red seal ticket that shows the canadian degree

it really sucks that u cant look at the files you uploaded it just shows you the name

So I'm unfamiliar with what exactly red seal is. I thought that was just a qualification that you write an exam for, not an education but I may be wrong.

Anyways, here's the upshot:

- whatever you state as your highest degree in the education section of the questionnaire, you must upload where they ask you for your education. If that is the same as the red seal thingy, you have to upload it there again.
- It seems you uploaded a foreign degree instead. If your highest education is foreign, you HAVE to get an ECA.
- Also, if you upload a foreign degree, it is NOT sufficient to just upload the translation. You must also upload the original.

Also be aware that FSW requires you to have a high school education as a minimum. I'm unsure if trade qualifications are considered post-secondary degrees. If they are not, you must also provide your high school certificate. If it is foreign, it must be accompanied with an ECA.

Lastly, it is a well known fact on this forum that CIC will reject applications if they deem them incomplete, and you will NOT be given a chance to re-submit missing documents. They basically only do a check if a document is there or not, they don't look at any of the docs in detail.

This means you must make it blindingly obvious that each document corresponds to whatever you state in the questionnaire.

Lastly, it is good practice to take screen shots of all pages of the questionnaire. I have also created a folder on my computer that has the exact same files that I uploaded on myCIC. This helps to trace errors if the application gets rejected.

 

[manidhatt]

Lastly, it is good practice to take screen shots of all pages of the questionnaire. I have also created a folder on my computer that has the exact same files that I uploaded on myCIC. This helps to trace errors if the application gets rejected.

I've done exactly the same. I've also made a folder and made sub folders in the same sequence as was in mycic to upload documents. Checked it like 50 times before submitting application.

 

[fossy]

red seal is basicly the name of your certificate when you finish your mechanic schooling in canada after the schooling you have 2 choices for a test provincial and red seal

provincial will only let u work in that province as a mechanic , redseal canada wide accept quebec




well i get where you coming from about the files and what not but on the other hand they shouldnt tell you that you dont need eca if you provide the canadian education proof which they prob didnt even look at like you said that they only do a check over kind of thing


when it comes to the educational history about my school its a bit weird trying to find out what is considered what here since germany has a different schooling system



well looks like in the end it means to do it ALL over again (just gonna see what a couple lawyers have to say tomorrow and go from there then i guess)

 

[Dexmoody]

red seal is basicly the name of your certificate when you finish your mechanic schooling in canada after the schooling you have 2 choices for a test provincial and red seal

provincial will only let u work in that province as a mechanic , redseal canada wide accept quebec




well i get where you coming from about the files and what not but on the other hand they shouldnt tell you that you dont need eca if you provide the canadian education proof which they prob didnt even look at like you said that they only do a check over kind of thing


when it comes to the educational history about my school its a bit weird trying to find out what is considered what here since germany has a different schooling system



well looks like in the end it means to do it ALL over again (just gonna see what a couple lawyers have to say tomorrow and go from there then i guess)

I think what MAY have happened is that in the questionnaire you stated your highest degree was Canadian, but then in the education section you uploaded your German certificate (as shown on the screenshot which you have now deleted). I think that's what got them confused. They probably just thought that there was no proof of Canadian education, and that's why they rejected it.

 

[fossy]

im just pretty pissed that they dont even TRY to contact you at all , they wanna know every single bit from you even when your grandma takes her teeth out at night and what not

but its too much to send out a mail clarifying a possible file mismatch


maybe even have a dedicated call center that handles applications in progress that actually help you out and not just the stupid hotline where you phone 5 times and get 5 different answers every single time no matter what your question was about

 

[Dexmoody]

im just pretty pissed that they dont even TRY to contact you at all , they wanna know every single bit from you even when your grandma takes her teeth out at night and what not

but its too much to send out a mail clarifying a possible file mismatch


maybe even have a dedicated call center that handles applications in progress that actually help you out and not just the stupid hotline where you phone 5 times and get 5 different answers every single time no matter what your question was about

Don't disagree mate - but I guess that's one of their dirty secrets to achieve the 6 months processing time. They simply reject all applications that require back and forth, and let you start all over again. That way, the 6 months starts from the beginning.

Ah well, it is what it is. Not much us candidates can do about it!

 

[fossy]

well then make a cut into the back and forth portion of it if they have to contact you more then lets say 3 times for things they can close the application but to just close it because of one little thing is just beyond me right now

 

[Pippin]

I am really sorry about your situation and have some confusion. Did you get your education in Germany and then write the exams in Canada in order to get the Canadian Red Seal certification? I am not an expert, but it looks like they haven't accepted taking a Canadian exam as equivalent to having the education here??