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JoacRy

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Hi, I would be grateful for the opinion of Asivad and other Seniors on this matter. After searching for a breakthrough on the issue of if a CRS score must be accurate at the time of receipt of the ITA or time of submission of E-APR I may have found the answer at the following link:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/refuse.asp

Requirement to maintain the CRS score


An applicant’s CRS score is automatically recorded in GCMS at the time when

their ITA is issued; and
their e-APR is submitted.
At the time of the e-APR, processing officers should compare both CRS scores to determine which of the following scenarios should be applied:

If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is equal to or higher than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application will not be refused under section A11.2, as long as the applicant’s supporting documentation corroborates their claims and they continue to meet the MEC for Express Entry, including the requirements of the program to which they were invited to apply.
If the applicant’s CRS score at the time of the e-APR is lower than the lowest-ranked score in the round of invitations, the application should be refused under section A11.2 for not having maintained the qualifications that would justify the ITA.
Ministerial Instructions related to the CRS may be revised periodically. Applications must be assessed under section A11.2 according to the Ministerial Instructions in force during the round of invitations to which the candidate is invited. In other words, an applicant’s CRS score at the time of the ITA and at the time of application should be calculated based on the Ministerial Instructions in place at the time of the ITA.

I take this to mean that as long as the CRS score at the time of receipt of an ITA is equal to the CRS score at the time the e-APR is submitted and both of their scores are equal to or greater than the minimum score in the Round of they were invited then they do not have to Decline their application.

Is there anyone else who reads it this way? or a Different way?

Please tell me your thoughts.
 

snail

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What are you asking?

You have to have more crs points than the cut off, that is the whole reason for express entry. If the points didn't need to match, everybody could say they were 22 with a phd and 10 years experience.

Here is an example of how it works.
if you had 503 points in your express entry profile and then you realize that your job in Canada was under study permit so your score drops 53 points you will have 450. If the draw score was 450 you will be ok, if the draw score was 451 you would be rejected for not having a score higher thN the cut off.

If your age changes after ita it your points stay the same.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

Use this page to check your score.
 

JoacRy

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I'm asking this because at the moment the CRS is awarding me points for 1 year of Canadian Work experience even though I have worked for 11 months and 17 days. Hence my '365' days comes up on 20 Dec but I was awarded an ITA on 4 Dec. Just further I entered in 'Less than 1 years' Canadian experience but the system is calculating on 'months' (not days) basis.

Even though I have sent a 'Case Specific Inquiry to clarify, from reading this it seems as though if I submit documents after 20 Dec I should be ok. I could be wrong though.

In my case losing points because of my birthday, and working on a 'Study Permit' is not a factor because I am on an Open Work Permit.
 

snail

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Then don't apply until you have a full year.
When they get your application you have to have above the cut off score. Don't apply until you have a full year. Simple as that.
 

snail

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I don't understand people who make an express entry before they are eligible and then complain that they can't apply because they don't meet the criteria set out very clearly by cic. If you didn't have a full year of not a b or o, why did you make a profile??????
 

JoacRy

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Thank you snail, appreciate your reply. I might wait until well after 1 year to apply then (assuming my interpretation is correct that you have to meet the cutoff as at the date of receipt of application).
 

JoacRy

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snail said:
I don't understand people who make an express entry before they are eligible and then complain that they can't apply because they don't meet the criteria set out very clearly by cic. If you didn't have a full year of not a b or o, why did you make a profile??????
What you have to understand is that it's not the fault of the applicant. It's the fault of CIC. It's their flawed system which does not let applicants enter Work Experience by the Day. Eg. if you start on 29 Sep, you get credit for working for 1 month. Some would say just put the start date as '1 Oct'. But in the reference letter it will say started on 29 Sep (not 1 Oct).

Please understand this is CIC's fault (not the candidates). It's not our fault they don't program the system correctly to accurately reflect a person's start and end working days on a 'Days' instead of a 'Months' basis.
 

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JoacRy said:
What you have to understand is that it's not the fault of the applicant. It's the fault of CIC. It's their flawed system which does not let applicants enter Work Experience by the Day. Eg. if you start on 29 Sep, you get credit for working for 1 month. Some would say just put the start date as '1 Oct'. But in the reference letter it will say started on 29 Sep (not 1 Oct).

Please understand this is CIC's fault (not the candidates). It's not our fault they don't program the system correctly to accurately reflect a person's start and end working days on a 'Days' instead of a 'Months' basis.
This. A very valid issue with the EE profile questionnaire. Snail, your point is also valid but to an extent. There are scenarios like in JoacRy's case where the exact dates can matter. A generic "Why are people so dumb??" kind of response may not be warranted.