Possible Strike Action by IRCC employees starting mid-April

[SirCumsALot]

I don't think the public workers should get a 9% raise because the taxes I pay goes towards paying their salaries. IRCC is not transparent in their operations and is inefficient overall. If there were no cases like that of johnjkjk's and like those who had to file a mandamus to get some progress in their applications ever, then I will probably be in favor of the raise they are demanding.

If these workers were getting paid so low and their worklife was so miserable, why didn't they quit and find jobs in the private sector? They didn't because when compared to the private sector jobs the public sector jobs are more secure and the benefits including pension are better.

Your taxes also goes towards paying politicians. And towards projects like Eglinton LRT that has overrun time and again.
Oh and btw if you really do care about your taxes going towards workers then their demand to wfh should be good by your logic as it saves you money right? Or do you have some other nonsensical comparison for that too?

As for as why they dont quit? Because lots don't want to leave a unionized job to private sector which would have lower negotiation power.

The wages across both private sector and public sector are low. The only difference here is the public sector are able to demand more as they can organize themselves better via unions which means the employees have an advantage of slightly better benefits like higher non-cash benefits yes.
Also how hard is it to understand person A can earn higher than non-unionized person B but both can still be considered underpaid?
What are the chances that if you and your colleagues had the power to demand more from your employer you would have done the very same thing?
Now before you say "I will be fired for doing that, but federal workers dont get fired" YES, that's the damn point of organizing. They got that privilege by organising themselves and going on strikes at various points of time. Where as a big issue with private sector is in-fighting amongst each other (along with anti union tactics from companies) that gets people like us nowhere.

Again, no ones saying the unions are perfect or there's no room for improvement within the workers. But surely its not this hard to understand that you can have the best employees work for you and you can spend a shit lot on investing but if the leadership isnt great, you will not get anywhere (if you watch football PSG is a great live example of that).

 

[Missionquebec]

Look at it from a different perspective: what if not many people are eager to even apply for these jobs, then IRCC struggles with attracting the right talent and has to deal with the shortage of resources? As the result, your application is being processed forever. Not saying that this is necessarily the case, but it might be.

People always assume that IRCC (for example) is fully staffed and its employees have all the power to deal with a case from the beginning to an end. People assume that IRCC employees do not depend on other departments and agencies and purposely delay the processing because they just feel like it. What if there is just not enough people to deal with the influx of cases? What if other departments that provide information necessary to move the case along, are also short-staffed?

A lot of licensed immigration consultants are there in canada; hence it is very easy to find qualified case officer. It is necessary for government to have contract staffing option to save tax payers money. It seems Union wants to control contract staffing too. Unacceptable

 

[SirCumsALot]

I bet you it takes maybe 3 clicks of the mouse to process CERB. They clearly were not verifying anything as they claimed that they wanted to get money into tax payers hands asap.

Yes it's a fact that unionized government workers are very inefficient. Look all all the backlogs in almost every immigration stream and even passports. People were lining up at 4 am in the cold and wasting their whole day to apply for passports while overpaid staff sat home watching cat videos. Government had to hire thousands more staff and contract workers just to process passports because the ones they had want to stay home lol.
I just want people to get what they paid for. Lots of people are being held hostage because slackers want to stay home. If virtual work was better than in person why does the union want workers to picket in person?

Good finally some better questions.
Why does union want to picket in person? Thats a great question.

Because the existing language mandates that the workers are considered to be striking only if its in-person. Which is one of the big reasons (amongst many) they are trying to negotiate for a more clearer language on WFH.

Inefficiencies amongst government employees: yes no doubt those exist. And there's definitely a HUGE room for improvement. But its important to also understand the root causes. Like someone posted a while back, lack of new hires across many departments, lack of proper processes and communication as well within the departments, etc etc. Which basically translates to the whole machine being inefficient asf.

I mean lets take a live example like that of IT director Sanjay Madan who managed to steal MILLIONS of dollars under government noses for years by managing to apply for covid benefits (amongst many) through fake IDs etc. Instead of holding that douchebag accountable along with questioning where were the processes that could have led to discovering the scam a lot earlier, would it be fair to blame the employees of that department who probably had no idea that their boss was a huge reason why they had to answer to a lot of angry students who didnt get their benefits on time? See how the lack of good processes impacts everyone?
You are right to be frustrated or for complaining etc. But shouldn't the govt be answerable of this mess because they let 2 years pass by doing nothing? Because idiots like Drug Ford pass bills like bill 124 which has costed our healthcare sector so damn heavily over the past few years, only for the courts to come now and say "yea mate that bill aint constitutional".

 

[krishere1982]

Look at it from a different perspective: what if not many people are eager to even apply for these jobs, then IRCC struggles with attracting the right talent and has to deal with the shortage of resources? As the result, your application is being processed forever. Not saying that this is necessarily the case, but it might be.

People always assume that IRCC (for example) is fully staffed and its employees have all the power to deal with a case from the beginning to an end. People assume that IRCC employees do not depend on other departments and agencies and purposely delay the processing because they just feel like it. What if there is just not enough people to deal with the influx of cases? What if other departments that provide information necessary to move the case along, are also short-staffed?

There are doctors from other countries in Canada driving cabs. I think they will qualify to do the work that IRCC does.

Yes IRCC depends on other agencies and they all need improvements. All of a sudden when someone files a mandamus, those agencies including IRCC find capacity to move applications along? There are applicants who are kept in the dark for so long not even letting them know about the progress of their applications. That is totally unacceptable no matter how short staffed or overworked they are.

 

[krishere1982]

Your taxes also goes towards paying politicians. And towards projects like Eglinton LRT that has overrun time and again.
Oh and btw if you really do care about your taxes going towards workers then their demand to wfh should be good by your logic as it saves you money right? Or do you have some other nonsensical comparison for that too?

As for as why they dont quit? Because lots don't want to leave a unionized job to private sector which would have lower negotiation power.

The wages across both private sector and public sector are low. The only difference here is the public sector are able to demand more as they can organize themselves better via unions which means the employees have an advantage of slightly better benefits like higher non-cash benefits yes.
Also how hard is it to understand person A can earn higher than non-unionized person B but both can still be considered underpaid?
What are the chances that if you and your colleagues had the power to demand more from your employer you would have done the very same thing?
Now before you say "I will be fired for doing that, but federal workers dont get fired" YES, that's the damn point of organizing. They got that privilege by organising themselves and going on strikes at various points of time. Where as a big issue with private sector is in-fighting amongst each other (along with anti union tactics from companies) that gets people like us nowhere.

Again, no ones saying the unions are perfect or there's no room for improvement within the workers. But surely its not this hard to understand that you can have the best employees work for you and you can spend a shit lot on investing but if the leadership isnt great, you will not get anywhere (if you watch football PSG is a great live example of that).

I am on the wall about WFH. I agree it will increase their productivity but I am worried about my data security. I don't even know how secure my data is even in IRCC facilities for that matter.

I forgot to mention that one of the reasons they won't join the private sector is cause they are not unionized. Because when they are unionized, they can go on strike and cause public all sorts of inconveniences, as they are doing right now.

 

[koiwa528]

Whatever, I just wish an agreement could be reached asap so my oath ceremony won't be delayed or cancelled

 

[zabrodov]

A lot of licensed immigration consultants are there in canada; hence it is very easy to find qualified case officer. It is necessary for government to have contract staffing option to save tax payers money. It seems Union wants to control contract staffing too. Unacceptable

You know that contractors are being paid way more than the employees, right?

 

[krishere1982]

Whatever, I just wish an agreement could be reached asap so my oath ceremony won't be delayed or cancelled

Yeah no point in arguing in this thread. Hoping those jacka**** accept the offer and get back to working soon.

 

[zabrodov]

There are doctors from other countries in Canada driving cabs. I think they will qualify to do the work that IRCC does.

IRCC is holding an open staffing process on GC Jobs website. Everyone is welcome to apply.

Yes IRCC depends on other agencies and they all need improvements. All of a sudden when someone files a mandamus, those agencies including IRCC find capacity to move applications along? There are applicants who are kept in the dark for so long not even letting them know about the progress of their applications. That is totally unacceptable no matter how short staffed or overworked they are.

Every outlier that requires urgent processing will come at the expense of others who are waiting for their cases to be processed. A mandamus is granted towards an organization, not a particular employee. And we can agree that from an organizational standpoint IRCC might not be performing as expected but it doesn't mean that a particular employee is lazy.

 

[krishere1982]

IRCC is holding an open staffing process on GC Jobs website. Everyone is welcome to apply.


Every outlier that requires urgent processing will come at the expense of others who are waiting for their cases to be processed. A mandamus is granted towards an organization, not a particular employee. And we can agree that from an organizational standpoint IRCC might not be performing as expected It doesn't mean that a particular employee is lazy.

Ok.

 

[SpiritualWonderBoy]

Imagine the backlogs they will face when they return to work after almost two weeks of strike. There are already backlogs in their system and yet another backlogs. There are a lot of applicants waiting for their oath and schedule and ready for final review. if they didnt strike probably all of these applications had been finalized already.

 

[LeaveItGold]

Imagine the backlogs they will face when they return to work after almost two weeks of strike. There are already backlogs in their system and yet another backlogs. There are a lot of applicants waiting for their oath and schedule and ready for final review. if they didnt strike probably all of these applications had been finalized already.

The only thing we can do that pray that they return to work on Monday.

 

[rainydayincanada]

A lot of licensed immigration consultants are there in canada; hence it is very easy to find qualified case officer. It is necessary for government to have contract staffing option to save tax payers money. It seems Union wants to control contract staffing too. Unacceptable

It's hilarious to read people saying IRCC employees earn too much and then suggest contracting out jobs lol. Wait until you learn an average contractor earns 2-4x than a full time employee...

 

[firstax]

It's hilarious to read people saying IRCC employees earn too much and then suggest contracting out jobs lol. Wait until you learn an average contractor earns 2-4x than a full time employee...

A contractor is probably 10 to 20 times faster and more efficient than any IRCC employees so the numbers checks out.

 

[rainydayincanada]

A contractor is probably 10 to 20 times faster and more efficient than any IRCC employees so the numbers checks out.

Why stop at 10 or 20. They're at least 100 after they learn what to do 6 months in to the job... Then another new one comes in a year and be inefficient for another 6 months... Rinse and repeat. What a great use of tax dollars lol