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Police clearance upon submission of application

gdp79

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Jan 28, 2016
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Hi,

I'm about to submit my application for citizenship. Is the police clearance really needed WHEN sending the form rather than 'TO FOLLOW'?

Scrolling to the requirements for paper submission for citizenship, I have to provide a police clearance. The latest I can book thru my Philippine consulate is two weeks for now and I'm not sure at this point how long that takes.

I lived in the Philippines for 2 of 5 years of my application but it was not a contingious stay as I traveled every 3 months or so.
 

bellaluna

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May 23, 2014
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Hi,

I'm about to submit my application for citizenship. Is the police clearance really needed WHEN sending the form rather than 'TO FOLLOW'?

Scrolling to the requirements for paper submission for citizenship, I have to provide a police clearance. The latest I can book thru my Philippine consulate is two weeks for now and I'm not sure at this point how long that takes.

I lived in the Philippines for 2 of 5 years of my application but it was not a contingious stay as I traveled every 3 months or so.
You need to include the police certificate if you stayed for 183 contiguous days or more in the Philippines in the past 4 years. Does this apply to you?

If it applies to you, you cannot submit the application and have the PC "to follow". Either submit the application with the NBI clearance, or wait until the condition no longer applies to you.
 

gdp79

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Jan 28, 2016
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Does this apply to you? Apparently yes but not so sure.

As I mentioned, I lived in the Philippines for 2 of the 5 years from today BUT did vacation multiple times to another countries then. So while I've lived in the Philippines for those 2 years, there is theoretically not a time I stayed there for 183 contigious days or more.
 

dpenabill

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Does this apply to you? Apparently yes but not so sure.

As I mentioned, I lived in the Philippines for 2 of the 5 years from today BUT did vacation multiple times to another countries then. So while I've lived in the Philippines for those 2 years, there is theoretically not a time I stayed there for 183 contigious days or more.
It's during the preceding FOUR years, not five, that matter.

It may be a personal judgment call on your part whether you are willing to state (without being misleading let alone misrepresenting) that [No] you were not in another country for 183 or more days in a row, during the preceding FOUR years. If you check "No" you do not fill in the chart, and for purposes of making a complete application, that is likely to pass (see other comments below).

If you check [Yes] you need to name the country in the chart, indicate whether a PCC is being submitted, and if you answer "No" in the drop down box, you need to put a reason why in the reason box. It is NOT likely that "to follow" (or such) will suffice to pass the completeness screening, meaning the application would likely be returned as incomplete.

You appear to apprehend that IRCC will want a PCC and the odds are that is true. So even if you check [No], given the extent of time in another country there is a substantial risk that will trigger non-routine processing. If you have not received a request for a PCC before an interview, it is something you could bring and present at an interview.

It is hard to say whether IRCC is currently cross-checking, in the completeness screening, the applicant's address and travel history with the applicant's response to question 10.b) so I cannot guess whether the application might be returned as incomplete even if you check [No] in response to 10.b)

I can say that it is almost always a good thing to wait to apply to have a bigger buffer over the minimum physical presence, so for most PRs trying to decide WHEN to apply, waiting longer to get a PCC can be a very good idea. Bigger buffer is almost always good. And in your situation, checking [Yes] for 10.b) and including the PCC is probably a good idea. I often note that in many situations waiting longer to apply can result in actually taking the oath sooner.
 
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gdp79

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Ok. I just find it so frustrating that CIC doesn't mention it in their list of requirements and anybody intending to apply online (which they can only do so when they reach 1095 days) will only find out that they will need that police certificate which takes a long time. Hear this out if you dunno anytning about the Philippines - it takes forever to get what you want there especially from abroad - JEZZ IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN GET IT FROM TODAY IN 48 HOURS!!!
 

bellaluna

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Ok. I just find it so frustrating that CIC doesn't mention it in their list of requirements and anybody intending to apply online (which they can only do so when they reach 1095 days) will only find out that they will need that police certificate which takes a long time. Hear this out if you dunno anytning about the Philippines - it takes forever to get what you want there especially from abroad - JEZZ IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN GET IT FROM TODAY IN 48 HOURS!!!
Yeah, unfortunately, the requirements are very very obtuse if you go for the online application.


As I mentioned, I lived in the Philippines for 2 of the 5 years from today BUT did vacation multiple times to another countries then. So while I've lived in the Philippines for those 2 years, there is theoretically not a time I stayed there for 183 contigious days or more.
Question 10b makes it clear the count for the police certificate requirement is for the last four years. Example 5 may be the closest to your case, since you were in and out of multiple countries and you were never in one for 183 days or more in a row:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-0002-application-canadian-citizenship-under-subsection-5-1-adults-18-years-older.html

If what you say is true, then you won't need the NBI clearance.
 
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gdp79

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Example 5 states a total of over 186 days from 2 trips to Europe. Not similar to my case. I LIVED in the Philippines for over 180 days and was outside Canada for over 180 days as well... So my case is...
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Example 4
In the past 4 years, you travelled to Singapore four times for work. The first trip was for 30 days; the second trip was for 200 days; the third trip was for 60 days; and the fourth trip was for 120 days. While in Singapore, you took a trip to Malaysia (10 days) and Thailand (10 days). You would answer “Yes” to the question and you would need to provide a police certificate from Singapore because your second trip was more than 183 days in a row. You would not need to provide police certificates from Malaysia or Thailand.

This example doesnt say how the trip in Malaysia and Thailand broke into the second trip.