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PNP - PR - April-May-June 2015 Applicants!

harirajmohan

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SpoonRaccoon said:
37 months.
hmmm. Does it take that long. i thought it would be less than 2 years at the max.
 

VictorPapa

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harirajmohan said:
Unfortunately no as per the site :(. Paris is the one our files should go :D
Paris – France: 7 months
Sao Paulo – Brazil: 9 months
Pretoria – South Africa: 13 months
Kyiv – Ukraine: 14 months
Accra – Ghana: 15 months
Mexico City – Mexico: 15 months
Ottawa (Case Processing Centre) - Canada: 16 months

Do you think its fast from the data you collected from whats app groups and forums? if so then i would say hahahah :D ;D
SpoonRaccoon said:
37 months.
harirajmohan said:
hmmm. Does it take that long. i thought it would be less than 2 years at the max.

CIC website processing time vs REAL processing time in local visa offices

My friends, All of us know, those numbers exist in CIC website and showing processing time of local visa offices do not match the REAL processing time in each visa office and always those numbers in CIC website are bigger than real processing times in each visa office.

BUT WHY this happening and why CIC don't fix it?
Here is the answer:
Unfortunately in Canadian immigration system there isn't a single straight waiting line that all applicants go and stand at the end of the line by their apply date. As we know from the past 8 years, every period of time and recently for each year Canada made some changes to its immigration system programs and they made a new immigration programs each year:
1- Before 2007 they had Federal Skilled Worker simplified program.
2- In 2008 they introduced 38 qualifying occupations program.
3- In 2010 they introduced 29 qualifying occupations program.
4- In 2013 they introduced FSW 2013.
5- In 2014 they introduced FSW 2014.
6- In 2015 they introduced Express Entry.

After introducing each programs unfortunately they started to process each new program's applications faster and with higher priority than older ones and it means if somebody applied in 2009 in the 38 qualifying occupation program, when 29 qualifying programs introduced in 2010, CIC started to process 2010 applications first and put the 2009 applications on a pending line and each year with introducing a new programs older applications had to wait more and more until they can receive their visas.

Because of this type of workflow these days when we look at the processing time table inside CIC website we can see for example for New Delhi visa office they have 4 different processing time numbers inside CIC website:
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 23 Months processing time for applications received Before February 27, 2008!!!(is there any before 2008 applicant still waiting for receiving visa?! :p)
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 54 Months processing time for applications received Between February 27, 2008 and June 25, 2010 (38 qualifying occupation program)
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 12 Months processing time for applications received On or after June 26, 2010 (29 qualifying occupation program, FSW2013, FSW2014)
- For Provincial Nominee Program they have 20 Months processing time.

Look at these tables:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/skilled-fed.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/provincial.asp

BUT we can see the REAL processing time at New Delhi visa office is about 8 Months from the date application received by CIO until the date applicant receive Visa and if we eliminate 4 months processing time at CIO office then we can see the real processing time for New Delhi visa office from the date application reach there is about 4 - 5 months these days!
So why those CIC Processing time numbers are different from the real time? They are different because as it is shown in CIC processing time table, New Delhi still has applications from 2008 to 2015 and they didn't finish them yet!

For PNP program, there weren't many different programs in the past BUT when one visa office has limited number of employees then they process all type of applications like Federal Skilled Worker, Provincial Nominees, ... together and it means when in CIC website table it shows for example New Delhi has a 20 months processing time for PNP program it means they still have unprocessed and unfinished PNP applications received by New Delhi visa office in or after September 2013! BUT these days REAL processing time at New Delhi visa office is about 4 - 5 months for 2015 PNP applications!

Conclusion:
Those numbers in CIC website is not wrong at all but they are showing the reality that each local visa office has how many OLD and unprocessed applications but it never shows the real processing times of 2015 applications in each visa offices!
 

harirajmohan

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Nomination.....
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AOR Received.
11-Aug-2015
Med's Request
23-Dec-2015
Med's Done....
20-Jan-2016
Passport Req..
26-May-2016 (BGC In Progress 25-May-2016)
VISA ISSUED...
PP Reached Ottawa:27-May-2016, Received:10-Jun-2016
LANDED..........
PR: 09-Jul-2016, PR Card: 17-Aug-2016
VictorPapa said:
CIC website processing time vs REAL processing time in local visa offices

My friends, All of us know, those numbers exist in CIC website and showing processing time of local visa offices do not match the REAL processing time in each visa office and always those numbers in CIC website are bigger than real processing times in each visa office.

BUT WHY this happening and why CIC don't fix it?
Here is the answer:
Unfortunately in Canadian immigration system there isn't a single straight waiting line that all applicants go and stand at the end of the line by their apply date. As we know from the past 8 years, every period of time and recently for each year Canada made some changes to its immigration system programs and they made a new immigration programs each year:
1- Before 2007 they had Federal Skilled Worker simplified program.
2- In 2008 they introduced 38 qualifying occupations program.
3- In 2010 they introduced 29 qualifying occupations program.
4- In 2013 they introduced FSW 2013.
5- In 2014 they introduced FSW 2014.
6- In 2015 they introduced Express Entry.

After introducing each programs unfortunately they started to process each new program's applications faster and with higher priority than older ones and it means if somebody applied in 2009 in the 38 qualifying occupation program, when 29 qualifying programs introduced in 2010, CIC started to process 2010 applications first and put the 2009 applications on a pending line and each year with introducing a new programs older applications had to wait more and more until they can receive their visas.

Because of this type of workflow these days when we look at the processing time table inside CIC website we can see for example for New Delhi visa office they have 4 different processing time numbers inside CIC website:
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 23 Months processing time for applications received Before February 27, 2008!!!(is there any before 2008 applicant still waiting for receiving visa?! :p)
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 54 Months processing time for applications received Between February 27, 2008 and June 25, 2010 (38 qualifying occupation program)
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 12 Months processing time for applications received On or after June 26, 2010 (29 qualifying occupation program, FSW2013, FSW2014)
- For Provincial Nominee Program they have 20 Months processing time.

Look at these tables:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/skilled-fed.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/provincial.asp

BUT we can see the REAL processing time at New Delhi visa office is about 8 Months from the date application received by CIO until the date applicant receive Visa and if we eliminate 4 months processing time at CIO office then we can see the real processing time for New Delhi visa office from the date application reach there is about 4 - 5 months these days!
So why those CIC Processing time numbers are different from the real time? They are different because as it is shown in CIC processing time table, New Delhi still has applications from 2008 to 2015 and they didn't finish them yet!

For PNP program, there weren't many different programs in the past BUT when one visa office has limited number of employees then they process all type of applications like Federal Skilled Worker, Provincial Nominees, ... together and it means when in CIC website table it shows for example New Delhi has a 20 months processing time for PNP program it means they still have unprocessed and unfinished PNP applications received by New Delhi visa office in or after September 2013! BUT these days REAL processing time at New Delhi visa office is about 4 - 5 months for 2015 PNP applications!

Conclusion:
Those numbers in CIC website is not wrong at all but they are showing the reality that each local visa office has how many OLD and unprocessed applications but it never shows the real processing times of 2015 applications in each visa offices!
Vow.... Again great analysis.

Now coming to my specific question again. How can i find my vo specific real processing time :).
I am guessing as you said, i should reduce around 4-6 months from listed processing time (16-6=10months). Number 10 and Number 9 is sounding very great. :D
 

FSWCIO

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VictorPapa said:
CIC website processing time vs REAL processing time in local visa offices

My friends, All of us know, those numbers exist in CIC website and showing processing time of local visa offices do not match the REAL processing time in each visa office and always those numbers in CIC website are bigger than real processing times in each visa office.

BUT WHY this happening and why CIC don't fix it?
Here is the answer:
Unfortunately in Canadian immigration system there isn't a single straight waiting line that all applicants go and stand at the end of the line by their apply date. As we know from the past 8 years, every period of time and recently for each year Canada made some changes to its immigration system programs and they made a new immigration programs each year:
1- Before 2007 they had Federal Skilled Worker simplified program.
2- In 2008 they introduced 38 qualifying occupations program.
3- In 2010 they introduced 29 qualifying occupations program.
4- In 2013 they introduced FSW 2013.
5- In 2014 they introduced FSW 2014.
6- In 2015 they introduced Express Entry.

After introducing each programs unfortunately they started to process each new program's applications faster and with higher priority than older ones and it means if somebody applied in 2009 in the 38 qualifying occupation program, when 29 qualifying programs introduced in 2010, CIC started to process 2010 applications first and put the 2009 applications on a pending line and each year with introducing a new programs older applications had to wait more and more until they can receive their visas.

Because of this type of workflow these days when we look at the processing time table inside CIC website we can see for example for New Delhi visa office they have 4 different processing time numbers inside CIC website:
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 23 Months processing time for applications received Before February 27, 2008!!!(is there any before 2008 applicant still waiting for receiving visa?! :p)
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 54 Months processing time for applications received Between February 27, 2008 and June 25, 2010 (38 qualifying occupation program)
- For Federal Skilled Workers they have 12 Months processing time for applications received On or after June 26, 2010 (29 qualifying occupation program, FSW2013, FSW2014)
- For Provincial Nominee Program they have 20 Months processing time.

Look at these tables:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/skilled-fed.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm/provincial.asp

BUT we can see the REAL processing time at New Delhi visa office is about 8 Months from the date application received by CIO until the date applicant receive Visa and if we eliminate 4 months processing time at CIO office then we can see the real processing time for New Delhi visa office from the date application reach there is about 4 - 5 months these days!
So why those CIC Processing time numbers are different from the real time? They are different because as it is shown in CIC processing time table, New Delhi still has applications from 2008 to 2015 and they didn't finish them yet!

For PNP program, there weren't many different programs in the past BUT when one visa office has limited number of employees then they process all type of applications like Federal Skilled Worker, Provincial Nominees, ... together and it means when in CIC website table it shows for example New Delhi has a 20 months processing time for PNP program it means they still have unprocessed and unfinished PNP applications received by New Delhi visa office in or after September 2013! BUT these days REAL processing time at New Delhi visa office is about 4 - 5 months for 2015 PNP applications!

Conclusion:
Those numbers in CIC website is not wrong at all but they are showing the reality that each local visa office has how many OLD and unprocessed applications but it never shows the real processing times of 2015 applications in each visa offices!
Great Analyze!! VictorPapa What's your VO now ?
 

FSWCIO

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harirajmohan said:
Vow.... Again great analysis.

Now coming to my specific question again. How can i find my vo specific real processing time :).
I am guessing as you said, i should reduce around 4-6 months from listed processing time (16-6=10months). Number 10 and Number 9 is sounding very great. :D
Forget about VO processing time. Do you know due to the recent devastating earthquake in Nepal, applicants from Nepal are being benefitted of getting the priority processing and seems now their processing time is under 2 months from AOR date. :-X :eek: :)
 

VictorPapa

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harirajmohan said:
Vow.... Again great analysis.

Now coming to my specific question again. How can i find my vo specific real processing time :).
I am guessing as you said, i should reduce around 4-6 months from listed processing time (16-6=10months). Number 10 and Number 9 is sounding very great. :D
Thank you my friend,

You can reduce 1 to 2 months from this list and you can reach to your processing time:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/local-visa-offices-news-latest-news-about-all-canadian-visa-offices-t303913.0.html;msg4383167#msg4383167

But those times is for situations applicant provide all requested documents from local visa office as soon as possible without any delay. ;)
 

VictorPapa

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FSWCIO said:
Great Analyze!! VictorPapa What's your VO now ?
My official local visa office is Ankara but from FSW 2014 program all applications from my country are going to Paris! ;D

It is fast and good. :p
 

VictorPapa

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FSWCIO said:
Forget about VO processing time. Do you know due to the recent devastating earthquake in Nepal, applicants from Nepal are being benefitted of getting the priority processing and seems now their processing time is under 2 months from AOR date. :-X :eek: :)
Earthquake?! ha? I think in that situation maybe you can reach las vegas in new years holiday with your exact timetable! :p :p :p
 

FSWCIO

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VictorPapa said:
Earthquake?! ha? I think in that situation maybe you can reach las vegas in new years holiday with your exact timetable! :p :p :p
Certainly, Moreover, I think I'd even be able to finish my las vegas trip and can go to paris to look after your VO and come back before Christmas this year ;) . :p :p ;D
 

harirajmohan

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Sydney, NS
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App. Filed.......
29-May-2015
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Nomination.....
SK 22-Apr-2015
AOR Received.
11-Aug-2015
Med's Request
23-Dec-2015
Med's Done....
20-Jan-2016
Passport Req..
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VictorPapa said:
My official local visa office is Ankara but from FSW 2014 program all applications from my country are going to Paris! ;D

It is fast and good. :p
Vow!!! Are you really telling its Paris? If so then its very good. Good luck for you to get VO as Paris.
 

harirajmohan

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29-May-2015
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Nomination.....
SK 22-Apr-2015
AOR Received.
11-Aug-2015
Med's Request
23-Dec-2015
Med's Done....
20-Jan-2016
Passport Req..
26-May-2016 (BGC In Progress 25-May-2016)
VISA ISSUED...
PP Reached Ottawa:27-May-2016, Received:10-Jun-2016
LANDED..........
PR: 09-Jul-2016, PR Card: 17-Aug-2016
FSWCIO said:
Forget about VO processing time. Do you know due to the recent devastating earthquake in Nepal, applicants from Nepal are being benefitted of getting the priority processing and seems now their processing time is under 2 months from AOR date. :-X :eek: :)
Its unique situation like Haiti. Thats ok i guess but hopefully we have less applications from Nepal :).

Let them give to anybody the visa in 2 months. I can wait for 6 months. Where is my XEP? Its been 14 days already. :D ;D
 

FSWCIO

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harirajmohan said:
Its unique situation like Haiti. Thats ok i guess but hopefully we have less applications from Nepal :).

Let them give to anybody the visa in 2 months. I can wait for 6 months. Where is my XEP? Its been 14 days already. :D ;D
Don't worry my friend, your XEP and EP is on it's way and I can assure you it would be lot sooner than the current timeline. I can wait till December & I need PPR by then... Otherwise I may lose my patience :p
 

harirajmohan

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11-Aug-2015
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FSWCIO said:
Don't worry my friend, your XEP and EP is on it's way and I can assure you it would be lot sooner than the current timeline. I can wait till December & I need PPR by then... Otherwise I may lose my patience :p
True. I think they will adjudicate in 6 months as your file is also complete except medicals hence there are high chances. I think you/we should pay PRR Fee during our medical request (if they even dont ask). are we allowed to pay at that stage? Will that save some time?
 

harirajmohan

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Sydney, NS
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App. Filed.......
29-May-2015
Doc's Request.
30-Dec-2015 ReminderEmail(PCCs, NewPassport via cse 31-Dec-2015)
Nomination.....
SK 22-Apr-2015
AOR Received.
11-Aug-2015
Med's Request
23-Dec-2015
Med's Done....
20-Jan-2016
Passport Req..
26-May-2016 (BGC In Progress 25-May-2016)
VISA ISSUED...
PP Reached Ottawa:27-May-2016, Received:10-Jun-2016
LANDED..........
PR: 09-Jul-2016, PR Card: 17-Aug-2016
VictorPapa said:
Thank you my friend,

You can reduce 1 to 2 months from this list and you can reach to your processing time:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/local-visa-offices-news-latest-news-about-all-canadian-visa-offices-t303913.0.html;msg4383167#msg4383167

But those times is for situations applicant provide all requested documents from local visa office as soon as possible without any delay. ;)
This list says only 7 months already. So 7 is fine :D ;D.
 

FSWCIO

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harirajmohan said:
True. I think they will adjudicate in 6 months as your file is also complete except medicals hence there are high chances. I think you/we should pay PRR Fee during our medical request (if they even dont ask). are we allowed to pay at that stage? Will that save some time?
As far I know, except Ottawa, all local VO finalize initial assessment and then send MR with RPRF request together whereas Ottawa send MR without starting the process and ask for RPRF separately later after initial assessment done.
Personally I don't think upfront RPRF would save a lot of time. :)