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Essamrh

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Please i need a help
i landed Canada in may 2015 with my family , may family get the citizenship in may 2019 , but because i traveled 9 trips during the eligibility pried i submit my citizenship application late in Feb. 2019 after i stay in Canada 1120 days , in august 2019 i requested for interview without test because my age was 57 , during the interview the officer was very aggressive with me and she Plame me because i traveled , she request the copy of all passport pages and boarding pass of all my trips , i summited all the requested documents and sent it lat august 2019 . since this date i haven't received any things from IRCC , i request the help from MP in 2020 and 2021 and the answer is file in process and teh file moved to montreal to another review from specialist and IRRC late because of covid19 .

on 22, November 2021 i sent email to Montreal judge and complaint about the time however i provide all the documents to proof my physical presence such as Governmental movement certificates from my original country and the countries i residents also i provide the boarding pass of all my trips , the IRCC sent my and email on 23Novmber 2021 for physical Questionnaire i summited with all necessary documents , but now i follow-up with IRCC gent via call center , the agent inform me that my physical presence waiting for hearing ?
please do you know what dose it mean waiting for hearing and its good sign or bad and what can i do during this hearing ?
thanks
EH
 

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Please i need a help
i landed Canada in may 2015 with my family , may family get the citizenship in may 2019 , but because i traveled 9 trips during the eligibility pried i submit my citizenship application late in Feb. 2019 after i stay in Canada 1120 days , in august 2019 i requested for interview without test because my age was 57 , during the interview the officer was very aggressive with me and she Plame me because i traveled , she request the copy of all passport pages and boarding pass of all my trips , i summited all the requested documents and sent it lat august 2019 . since this date i haven't received any things from IRCC , i request the help from MP in 2020 and 2021 and the answer is file in process and teh file moved to montreal to another review from specialist and IRRC late because of covid19 .

on 22, November 2021 i sent email to Montreal judge and complaint about the time however i provide all the documents to proof my physical presence such as Governmental movement certificates from my original country and the countries i residents also i provide the boarding pass of all my trips , the IRCC sent my and email on 23Novmber 2021 for physical Questionnaire i summited with all necessary documents , but now i follow-up with IRCC gent via call center , the agent inform me that my physical presence waiting for hearing ?
please do you know what dose it mean waiting for hearing and its good sign or bad and what can i do during this hearing ?
thanks
EH
There seems to be a problem in approval.
Not sure if you miscalculated the physical presence days. Recheck couple more times.

Apply for gcms to get to know exactly on your file.https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do

Interview candidates:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/admininistration/decisions/interviewing-adult-applicants.html
 

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Please i need a help
i landed Canada in may 2015 with my family , may family get the citizenship in may 2019 , but because i traveled 9 trips during the eligibility pried i submit my citizenship application late in Feb. 2019 after i stay in Canada 1120 days , in august 2019 i requested for interview without test because my age was 57 , during the interview the officer was very aggressive with me and she Plame me because i traveled , she request the copy of all passport pages and boarding pass of all my trips , i summited all the requested documents and sent it lat august 2019 . since this date i haven't received any things from IRCC , i request the help from MP in 2020 and 2021 and the answer is file in process and teh file moved to montreal to another review from specialist and IRRC late because of covid19 .

on 22, November 2021 i sent email to Montreal judge and complaint about the time however i provide all the documents to proof my physical presence such as Governmental movement certificates from my original country and the countries i residents also i provide the boarding pass of all my trips , the IRCC sent my and email on 23Novmber 2021 for physical Questionnaire i summited with all necessary documents , but now i follow-up with IRCC gent via call center , the agent inform me that my physical presence waiting for hearing ?
please do you know what dose it mean waiting for hearing and its good sign or bad and what can i do during this hearing ?
thanks
EH
Like @harirajmohan said, it seems to be a common practice of IRCC if they find issues with physical presence calculation, they take a very long to process the application and make a decision.

After thoroughly checking your physical presence calculation, if you are convinced the calculation was correct, try to gather as much evidence as possible such as your rent payment history, credit card statements for the periods, even the google map data (which stores your location history). If your travels are to the US, they maintain their entry exits on a separate website (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home) which could be a proof. If it is a different country, try getting your passage history from them.

If you find any discrepancy, if it is small, you can ask for leniency from the judge if it was a genuine mistake and because of your age as well.

Good luck and fingers crossed for you!
 
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Essamrh

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There seems to be a problem in approval.
Not sure if you miscalculated the physical presence days. Recheck couple more times.

Apply for gcms to get to know exactly on your file.https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do

Interview candidates:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/admininistration/decisions/interviewing-adult-applicants.html
Thank you for your comments : i was very carful during the calculation of the number of days , however i provide the officer a copy of all my boarding pass for all my 9 trips along with a copy of all my passport pages in additional to that a governmental movement certificates from my original country and the other two countries which i have visited . even i provide the same information recently in November 2021 after sending me the questionnaire , so are these information not enough to the officer of judges to re-calculate my physical presence and proof that my calculation is correct and proof that i stay more than 1095 days in Canada ? because i do not have more information to proof my physical presence more than these info . last question do you know the types of questions that the judges will aske during the hearing ?
 

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Thank you for your comments : i was very carful during the calculation of the number of days , however i provide the officer a copy of all my boarding pass for all my 9 trips along with a copy of all my passport pages in additional to that a governmental movement certificates from my original country and the other two countries which i have visited . even i provide the same information recently in November 2021 after sending me the questionnaire , so are these information not enough to the officer of judges to re-calculate my physical presence and proof that my calculation is correct and proof that i stay more than 1095 days in Canada ? because i do not have more information to proof my physical presence more than these info . last question do you know the types of questions that the judges will aske during the hearing ?
Do you still meet the PR residency requirement now? If you look back at the previous five years from today, have you lived in Canada for at least 2 out of those 5 years?
 

Essamrh

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Like @harirajmohan said, it seems to be a common practice of IRCC if they find issues with physical presence calculation, they take a very long to process the application and make a decision.

After thoroughly checking your physical presence calculation, if you are convinced the calculation was correct, try to gather as much evidence as possible such as your rent payment history, credit card statements for the periods, even the google map data (which stores your location history). If your travels are to the US, they maintain their entry exits on a separate website (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home) which could be a proof. If it is a different country, try getting your passage history from them.

If you find any discrepancy, if it is small, you can ask for leniency from the judge if it was a genuine mistake and because of your age as well.

Good luck and fingers crossed for you!
Thanks for you comments : i have more evidence likes monthly property taxes , water & electrical bills , Irving bills ,Costco capital one CC , internet bill and more , ,,,, but do you think these will be as evidence to proof my physical presence ? also please , regarding my age ... i am now close to 58Y is they consider the age as positive and support me , also all my kids dose not travel from Canada since 2015 is that help as well ?

thanks
 

Essamrh

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Do you still meet the PR residency requirement now? If you look back at the previous five years from today, have you lived in Canada for at least 2 out of those 5 years?
yes , i reanneal my PR in October 2020 and its valid to oct 2025
 

scylla

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yes , i reanneal my PR in October 2020 and its valid to oct 2025
The validity of your PR card doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. What matters is that you've continued to meet the rolling residency obligation. So as long as you've lived in Canada for at least 2 years out of the previous 5 years from today, you are fine. If however you haven't lived in Canada for at least 2 out of the last 5 years, that's a different issue and a problem.

In terms of the interview, you must have other evidence you can bring of the time you spent in Canada like property ownership or rental papers, tax returns, bank accounts, credit card activity, utilities / cell phone bills, employment records etc. I would dig up additional evidence if you can since it sounds like the number of days you were in Canada in order to qualify for citizenship is being questioned.

Good luck and hope it works out positively.
 

Essamrh

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The validity of your PR card doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. What matters is that you've continued to meet the rolling residency obligation. So as long as you've lived in Canada for at least 2 years out of the previous 5 years from today, you are fine. If however you haven't lived in Canada for at least 2 out of the last 5 years, that's a different issue and a problem.

In terms of the interview, you must have other evidence you can bring of the time you spent in Canada like property ownership or rental papers, tax returns, bank accounts, credit card activity, utilities / cell phone bills, employment records etc. I would dig up additional evidence if you can since it sounds like the number of days you were in Canada in order to qualify for citizenship is being questioned.

Good luck and hope it works out positively.
yes i lived in Canada more than 3years out of the 5 years , also i have all the other evidence that you mention like property ownership ,property taxes and all utilities bills , family doctor record visit and kids school records and so .thank you again .
 

Essamrh

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There seems to be a problem in approval.
Not sure if you miscalculated the physical presence days. Recheck couple more times.

Apply for gcms to get to know exactly on your file.https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do

Interview candidates:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/admininistration/decisions/interviewing-adult-applicants.html
thank you for your advice , i just apply for the ATIP .... regarding the calculation , i really did correct calculation but my issues was during the officer interview she was very aggressive with me and she spent with me 45M for investigation and answer all her questions even she wasn't believe that i submit my application by myself and without external support .
 
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Thanks for you comments : i have more evidence likes monthly property taxes , water & electrical bills , Irving bills ,Costco capital one CC , internet bill and more , ,,,, but do you think these will be as evidence to proof my physical presence ? also please , regarding my age ... i am now close to 58Y is they consider the age as positive and support me , also all my kids dose not travel from Canada since 2015 is that help as well ?

thanks
As harirajmohan said, even before you go to the judge, it would definitely help to understand if you have met the 1095 days or not.

The evidences you have mentioned are good, collect as much of those as possible.

You can also try to get the health information - every province allows a way to get this information. It will show your doctor visits, lab tests etc with dates. You can talk to Service Ontario or other provincial offices (where you live now and in the past) to get this information.

If you cannot afford private legal counsel, you can reach out to one of the phone numbers here - from the province you live - and see if they will help you:
https://irb.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/legal-concepts/Pages/legal-aid-office.aspx


Even if you don't meet the 1095 days, depending on how many days you fall short, your age could be one of the favorable factors.
 

dpenabill

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Please i need a help
i landed Canada in may 2015 with my family , may family get the citizenship in may 2019 , but because i traveled 9 trips during the eligibility pried i submit my citizenship application late in Feb. 2019 after i stay in Canada 1120 days , in august 2019 i requested for interview without test because my age was 57 , during the interview the officer was very aggressive with me and she Plame me because i traveled , she request the copy of all passport pages and boarding pass of all my trips , i summited all the requested documents and sent it lat august 2019 . since this date i haven't received any things from IRCC , i request the help from MP in 2020 and 2021 and the answer is file in process and teh file moved to montreal to another review from specialist and IRRC late because of covid19 .

on 22, November 2021 i sent email to Montreal judge and complaint about the time however i provide all the documents to proof my physical presence such as Governmental movement certificates from my original country and the countries i residents also i provide the boarding pass of all my trips , the IRCC sent my and email on 23Novmber 2021 for physical Questionnaire i summited with all necessary documents , but now i follow-up with IRCC gent via call center , the agent inform me that my physical presence waiting for hearing ?
please do you know what dose it mean waiting for hearing and its good sign or bad and what can i do during this hearing ?
thanks
EH
Some upfront notes:
-- comments below are also based the other relevant posts,​
-- I suspect language could pose some challenges in understanding what I say below; up to you whether you want to find someone to help you read and understand these comments (and those of others -- you seem to misunderstand some of what @scylla has posted)​
-- there are several unclear aspects of your situation​
-- YOU MAY NEED assistance from a LAWYER​

An upfront clarification:
Even if you don't meet the 1095 days, depending on how many days you fall short, your age could be one of the favorable factors.
NOPE. If IRCC and a Citizenship Judge determine the proof falls short of establishing your presence in Canada for at least 1095 days, there is NO available leeway. The 1095 days is an absolute minimum requirement. If a CJ concludes the proof falls short, even by just one day, the application must be denied.

A Critical Factor -- Ongoing Residency Obligation Compliance:

@scylla's comments and questions are in part reference to a key factor in how things are likely to go. It is critical that as of today, and all days going forward, that you meet your PR Residency Obligation. That means that as of today, May 5, 2022, that you need to have been IN Canada at least 730 days between May 5, 2017 and today. Ongoing RO compliance is absolutely required while a citizenship application is pending. Date your current PR card was issued, and the date it expires, are NOT relevant.

If you are currently IN Canada, and staying in Canada, this is not likely to be or become an issue.

BUT if you are outside Canada, or otherwise spending a lot of time outside Canada since applying, and continuing to go abroad for significantly long time periods compared to how long you stay in Canada, be certain to stay in compliance with the RO.


Observations About the Status of Your Case I; Stage of Process:

It is difficult to discern what particular procedural stage you are at currently, and very difficult to discern why the officials handling your application have questions about your physical presence, and perhaps at this stage are not satisfied with the evidence so far submitted.

It is possible that the citizenship application is in serious jeopardy. If, for example, the "hearing" referenced is about a hearing before a Citizenship Judge, that would mean a Citizenship Officer has already determined you failed to submit sufficient proof of actual presence and is referring the case to a CJ to hold a hearing to make a conclusive decision about whether you have met your burden of proving you were physically IN Canada at least 1095 during the five year eligibility period established by the date of your application. The Citizenship Officer's referral to the CJ is made using a form in which the officer will outline the reasons why IRCC has concluded you failed to meet your burden of proof regarding physical presence.

It is not clear your case is actually at that stage. If it is at that stage, on its way to a hearing with a CJ, you probably need a lawyer soon . . . unless you are in a position to re-apply based on now having a stronger case. Or you OK with being a PR without citizenship.

Observations About the Status of Your Case II; Proof of Actual Physical Presence:

@scylla mostly covered this:
"In terms of the interview, you must have other evidence you can bring of the time you spent in Canada like property ownership or rental papers, tax returns, bank accounts, credit card activity, utilities / cell phone bills, employment records etc. I would dig up additional evidence . . . "​

This appears, however, to be more or less what you already submitted in response to the "questionnaire" you got and responded to in late 2021 (if I understand your posts correctly). And, it appears, IRCC has reviewed that evidence and nonetheless concluded you did not meet the burden of proving your actual physical presence. Again, it is not clear this is the stage your application is at, but if it is, and thus if the next step for you is a hearing with a CJ, and the outcome of THIS application is important, time to SEE a LAWYER.

A lawyer can look at your specific case and the evidence so far submitted, and consider what additional evidence, potentially, you might have to help your case. And do this specific to you, your facts, your evidence.

In what has been discussed so far, a lot of the "evidence" is passive evidence. Ranging from proof of property ownership and taxes to proof of payments for utilities, and school records for children. That can help, but objective proof of personal activity in Canada on dates certain is far more important. For example, family doctor visits showing YOU were visiting the doctor on a particular date; that clearly demonstrates you were actually present in Canada that day. Records showing children's doctor's visits, or children's school attendance, not so much . . . especially in your situation, since the history shows your family was in Canada when you were not.

A big, big evidentiary factor is employment. Applicants who can document employment for a readily identified Canadian employer, clearly referencing periods of time working at a particular location in Canada, have a big advantage in terms of proving actual presence.

You do not mention what proof of employment in Canada you have submitted. I do not want to guess, but if the reason for your absences over the years is rooted in continuing employment outside Canada, and you have had minimal employment in Canada, this could pose severe burden-of-proof issues. In particular, if your employment or work is predominantly located outside Canada, given the likelihood you will be facing a CJ hearing, before a CJ who has read IRCC's reasons explaining why you have failed to meet the burden of proving your actual physical presence, if getting citizenship based on this application is important to you, YOU NEED a LAWYER.
 
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Essamrh

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thank you for your advice , i just apply for the ATIP .... regarding the calculation , i really did correct calculation but my issues was during the officer interview she was very aggressive with me and she spent with me 45M for investigation and answer all her questions even she wasn't believe that i submit my application by myself and without external support .
Dear :
Yesterday I get to know from IRCC Cal center that my file was transfer back to Halifax and now the file in transit , however the status of my file not change and the physical presence still not completed , do you know its good news for sending the file to Halifax which is the city which i live and summitted my file in the beginning of feb 2019
 

Essamrh

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yes i lived in Canada more than 3years out of the 5 years , also i have all the other evidence that you mention like property ownership ,property taxes and all utilities bills , family doctor record visit and kids school records and so .thank you again .
Hi Dear : please regarding your statement which is below

The validity of your PR card doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. What matters is that you've continued to meet the rolling residency obligation. So as long as you've lived in Canada for at least 2 years out of the previous 5 years from today

please i need to understand this issue ? i am landed in may 2015 and submitted my Citizenship Application in Feb2019 after i complete 3 years stay in Canada , now you advise me that i must keep 2 years in Canada always for the last 5years is that correct? however my PR was expired in augest 2020 and i renewal up to oct 2025 . please advise ?