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please help me i reavailed myself as a refugee

leguepard37

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Dec 14, 2024
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Hello i applied for refugee last year and got accepted. my brother passed away and needed to visit him to take care of funerals.
my county of origin is algeria . my question is
can i travel to europe with Rtd then stay thefor a couple of weeks and after that i travel to canada . it would deter agents in canadian airports from checking i was in algeria but rather in europe.
please help me
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
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Passport Req..
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05-10-2010
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Hello i applied for refugee last year and got accepted. my brother passed away and needed to visit him to take care of funerals.
my county of origin is algeria . my question is
can i travel to europe with Rtd then stay thefor a couple of weeks and after that i travel to canada . it would deter agents in canadian airports from checking i was in algeria but rather in europe.
please help me
My condolences on the passing of your brother.

If you travel to Algeria, you need to be prepared for the possibility that you may lose your PR status.
 

leguepard37

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Dec 14, 2024
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My condolences on the passing of your brother.

If you travel to Algeria, you need to be prepared for the possibility that you may lose your PR status.
thank you so kind of you
i am desperate and living in algeria is not an option for me . i prefer to immigrate anywhere even illegally than live in such a dictatorship.

i would rather stay illegal than coming back as long as they let me in upon my return.

i was just wondering if i could deter agents if i travel to europe perhaps they dont pay attention to all stamps though algerian stamps are erased through a special product hoping they just notice that i came back from europe which is perfectly legal
actually i used my rtd and i have a visa from france .
i consider moving to france from algeria , stay ij france for several weeks as the rest of my family is there and from there continue to Canada

thanks for replying me
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,496
22,579
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
thank you so kind of you
i am desperate and living in algeria is not an option for me . i prefer to immigrate anywhere even illegally than live in such a dictatorship.

i would rather stay illegal than coming back as long as they let me in upon my return.

i was just wondering if i could deter agents if i travel to europe perhaps they dont pay attention to all stamps though algerian stamps are erased through a special product hoping they just notice that i came back from europe which is perfectly legal
actually i used my rtd and i have a visa from france .
i consider moving to france from algeria , stay ij france for several weeks as the rest of my family is there and from there continue to Canada

thanks for replying me
I don't think I can help you further. Good luck.
 
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canuck78

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thank you so kind of you
i am desperate and living in algeria is not an option for me . i prefer to immigrate anywhere even illegally than live in such a dictatorship.

i would rather stay illegal than coming back as long as they let me in upon my return.

i was just wondering if i could deter agents if i travel to europe perhaps they dont pay attention to all stamps though algerian stamps are erased through a special product hoping they just notice that i came back from europe which is perfectly legal
actually i used my rtd and i have a visa from france .
i consider moving to france from algeria , stay ij france for several weeks as the rest of my family is there and from there continue to Canada

thanks for replying me
Do you mean you have a previous visa from France? You would need to reapply for a new visa with the RTD. Living illegally could lead to deportation and is not an easy life so you should avoid it at all costs. Many countries are also getting much more serious about trying to deport people instead of essentially ignoring those without status in their country.
 

leguepard37

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Dec 14, 2024
5
1
Do you mean you have a previous visa from France? You would need to reapply for a new visa with the RTD. Living illegally could lead to deportation and is not an easy life so you should avoid it at all costs. Many countries are also getting much more serious about trying to deport people instead of essentially ignoring those without status in their country.
yes i already had a visa from france and it is stamped on my new rtd
i just consider to move to france first then stay there for a couple of weeks then i take a flight to canada in order to persuade the border agents that i didnt go to my country of origin therefore they wouldnt report me for reavailement to the ircc
 

ref19to22

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May 18, 2022
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Hello i applied for refugee last year and got accepted. my brother passed away and needed to visit him to take care of funerals.
my county of origin is algeria . my question is
can i travel to europe with Rtd then stay thefor a couple of weeks and after that i travel to canada . it would deter agents in canadian airports from checking i was in algeria but rather in europe.
please help me
- apologies for the long post-
my condolences on the passing of your brother, may he rest in peace. As scylla said if you visit algeria or use your algerian passport you are risking reavailement and there is no avoiding that. I do not believe your stay in europe will deter CBSA agents from checking if you were in algeria, they will ask you point blank when you return to canada if you visited algeria and you should answer truthfully.

I was in a similar situation but not exactly the same, so I will share my experience in case its helpful. my grandmother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in may and I decided I needed to visit her. I went for 2 weeks. she lives in a neighboring country to my country of origin and I did not go back to my country of origin, but I did use my passport from my country of origin to enter the neighboring country, as they do not accept RTD at all. my flight was via europe, and I used my RTD to leave and to enter Canada. Upon entry back to canada they only asked where I was coming from, for what purpose did I travel and if I visited my home country, I answered all questions truthfully and passed w no issues. I also applied to renew my RTD after this trip and I declared visiting the neighboring country w no issues. As you know this still technically puts me at risk of reavailement because i used my national passport, personally for me that was a risk i was willing to take. she died last week.

In my experience of having an RTD for almost 3yrs, every time I enter canada from travel overseas (4-5 trips) CBSA always asks me if I visited my home country so I imagine they will ask you the same. I do not recommend lying to CBSA officers under any circumstances, I believe that would put you at further risk and is difficult to rectify in the future. Also if you decide to lie about your visit you will have to continue that lie into your RTD & Citizenship applications and I do not recommend that for the same reasons.

before going to visit my grandmother I spoke to 2 immigration lawyers about my situation and this was what they said to me:
- using your nat'l passport or visiting your home country increases your risk of reavailement and there are varying levels of cessation
- do not lie to immigration officers at any point, you have an obligation to answer questions truthfully
- you have no obligation to disclose anything
- travel with medical reports proving your grandmothers sickness in case you are interrogated at the border
- there are multiple points at which reavailement could come up, 1 is at the airport with the CBSA officer who questions you upon entry, 2 is when you renew your RTD (declaring foreign travel), or 3 is when you apply for citizenship (declaring foreign travel) and a citizenship officer reviews your application. I become eligible to apply for citizenship in 2026 so i'll just have to wait and see
- if it is a short trip and purposeful around a family members end of life, IRCC *could* be more understanding but there is no certainty

I came to my decision after reading too many cases online on cessation/reavailement, I read through every reddit rabbit hole I could find and studied this legal policy on cessation/reavailement https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/legal-concepts/Pages/RefDef12.aspx. From what I read the cases where cessation/reavailement was successful and protected person status was revoked is where folks either went back repeatedly to their home country, or went back to their home country for long periods of time before citizenship (**more experienced members of the forum please correct me if im wrong**)

I am not suggesting anything other than do not lie to IRCC/CBSA agents, I believe no good can come from that. I am sorry this is a really difficult decision for you, I hope you find the mental and emotional strength you need to make it. Take care and good luck!
 

leguepard37

Newbie
Dec 14, 2024
5
1
- apologies for the long post-
my condolences on the passing of your brother, may he rest in peace. As scylla said if you visit algeria or use your algerian passport you are risking reavailement and there is no avoiding that. I do not believe your stay in europe will deter CBSA agents from checking if you were in algeria, they will ask you point blank when you return to canada if you visited algeria and you should answer truthfully.

I was in a similar situation but not exactly the same, so I will share my experience in case its helpful. my grandmother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in may and I decided I needed to visit her. I went for 2 weeks. she lives in a neighboring country to my country of origin and I did not go back to my country of origin, but I did use my passport from my country of origin to enter the neighboring country, as they do not accept RTD at all. my flight was via europe, and I used my RTD to leave and to enter Canada. Upon entry back to canada they only asked where I was coming from, for what purpose did I travel and if I visited my home country, I answered all questions truthfully and passed w no issues. I also applied to renew my RTD after this trip and I declared visiting the neighboring country w no issues. As you know this still technically puts me at risk of reavailement because i used my national passport, personally for me that was a risk i was willing to take. she died last week.

In my experience of having an RTD for almost 3yrs, every time I enter canada from travel overseas (4-5 trips) CBSA always asks me if I visited my home country so I imagine they will ask you the same. I do not recommend lying to CBSA officers under any circumstances, I believe that would put you at further risk and is difficult to rectify in the future. Also if you decide to lie about your visit you will have to continue that lie into your RTD & Citizenship applications and I do not recommend that for the same reasons.

before going to visit my grandmother I spoke to 2 immigration lawyers about my situation and this was what they said to me:
- using your nat'l passport or visiting your home country increases your risk of reavailement and there are varying levels of cessation
- do not lie to immigration officers at any point, you have an obligation to answer questions truthfully
- you have no obligation to disclose anything
- travel with medical reports proving your grandmothers sickness in case you are interrogated at the border
- there are multiple points at which reavailement could come up, 1 is at the airport with the CBSA officer who questions you upon entry, 2 is when you renew your RTD (declaring foreign travel), or 3 is when you apply for citizenship (declaring foreign travel) and a citizenship officer reviews your application. I become eligible to apply for citizenship in 2026 so i'll just have to wait and see
- if it is a short trip and purposeful around a family members end of life, IRCC *could* be more understanding but there is no certainty

I came to my decision after reading too many cases online on cessation/reavailement, I read through every reddit rabbit hole I could find and studied this legal policy on cessation/reavailement https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/legal-concepts/Pages/RefDef12.aspx. From what I read the cases where cessation/reavailement was successful and protected person status was revoked is where folks either went back repeatedly to their home country, or went back to their home country for long periods of time before citizenship (**more experienced members of the forum please correct me if im wrong**)

I am not suggesting anything other than do not lie to IRCC/CBSA agents, I believe no good can come from that. I am sorry this is a really difficult decision for you, I hope you find the mental and emotional strength you need to make it. Take care and good luck!
Hi brother i am really touched by your kind words in regards of the passing of my brother and your wishes . they make me feel comfortable.
secondly i thank you big time for explaining me all the details related to this issue and advises
i appreciate.
actually its a tough situation when you are abroad and you leave behind all your loved ones they took my brothers life in algeria just to take revenge because i am an opposant of the military algerian dictatorship.

now i have my mom there and managed to take her to a neighbouring country ( tunisia) she will be safe there and i can travel there with RTD meanwhile i am in process get my / citizenship and sponsor her ( if all goes fine because your message gave me hope ) .

fingers crossed i wish all goes smoothly for you in 2026 though

sincerely
 
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