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There is no NOC to spread viruses person to person in Canada (specially Ai*D*S).
Sorry this is the FAKE guy and you all replied too many times.
Please help those guys who really waiting for your answer here on the forum.


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Go Ahead... I will tell you those Indian words you never been think in your dream, even not your generation was thought about those words in PAST, even this words will be echo sound to your all un-wanted generations for future (this will be dedicatedly repeat ecoh sound in ears of those unwanted your generation).
you are a FAKE with your DREAM Story. Tell me Are you s3* maniaque?
You are increasing poverty + Un-employment + population. You are not qualified with this status for immigration of Canada.

Mukund
if u see world population then womenare more in number than Men...in India women are more in number that is because of high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males.

Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million females in U.S.A who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.

Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.

And indirectly the second option become reason for spreading AIDS.
 

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What if the women he married are NON - Muslim and are unaware of his religion and bindings and the freedom associated with it?

I strongly believe that we are not making any POSITIVE contribution....so please consider this my last post on this thread.

Mitali
Plz dont reply if u dont know abt some religion.


Muslim man can marry muslim women only....If she is of other religion thanshe has to accept Islam with heart and then marry.


Yes in India or other non islamic countries some muslim men marry non muslim women, but according to country law...not by IslamicLaw. And theyare wrong in doing that according to Islam.
 

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canadestin said:
I guess that guy is a Muslim. If so then he has not done anything wrong. Islam permits a Man to marry four women provided he is just with all the 4. He doesn't need consent/permision of other wife to marry the rest.

Yes if any one of the wife in her marriage contract has include a condition like she wont agree if he marry some other women , then we can say he is wrong. If no such condition is there in all his 4 marriage contract then he is not wrong.
In Islam, you have to announce marriage (permission from the first wife is not required, but marriage should be announced publicly). There is no concept of "secret" marriage. There is no difference between adultery and secret marriage, which is not allowed in Islam.. same way the forced marriages are not allowed in Islam, but it happens which is not different to rape.

Being a Muslim, I get very angry when people wants to fulfil their evil wish and name it to religion. Four wives immigration is not allowed, if it was allowed, you can imagine, how it would have been misused. CIC should allow multi-marriage, but it will be misused for sure.

My advice for your friend is to divorce the secret wives to avoid any further sins and apply for the immigration with genuine 1st wife.
 

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Hold ON. just 4 wives? Thank GOD... just think if hindu god Lord Krishna wants FSW immigration than how much POF he required (anyone know how many wive he had!! Sahastra in sanskrit something in thousands). I am also thinking about Dropadi (Panchali) she hold 5 husband!!!

Ohmm Namah Shivay.. Shanti shanti..! I want only 1.

Hired lawyer (ask to David Cohen) this OP's friend is rich (restaurants, hotels richest one) I read all posts.

OMM
 

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Hold ON. just 4 wives? Thank GOD... just think if hindu god Lord Krishna wants FSW immigration than how much POF he required (anyone know how many wive he had!! Sahastra in sanskrit something in thousands). I am also thinking about Dropadi (Panchali) she hold 5 husband!!!

Ohmm Namah Shivay.. Shanti shanti..! I want only 1.

Hired lawyer (ask to David Cohen) this OP's friend is rich (restaurants, hotels richest one) I read all posts.

OMM
It would have been good for all of us, if Krishna would go to Canada.. It would have helped easier immigration for Indian subcontinent applicants.
 

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omm said:
Hold ON. just 4 wives? Thank GOD... just think if hindu god Lord Krishna wants FSW immigration than how much POF he required (anyone know how many wive he had!! Sahastra in sanskrit something in thousands). I am also thinking about Dropadi (Panchali) she hold 5 husband!!!

Ohmm Namah Shivay.. Shanti shanti..! I want only 1.

Hired lawyer (ask to David Cohen) this OP's friend is rich (restaurants, hotels richest one) I read all posts.

OMM
Now its turning ugly bro. Lets stop it and respect each other religion.
 

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In Islam, you have to announce marriage (permission from the first wife is not required, but marriage should be announced publicly). There is no concept of "secret" marriage. There is no difference between adultery and secret marriage, which is not allowed in Islam.. same way the forced marriages are not allowed in Islam, but it happens which is not different to rape.

Being a Muslim, I get very angry when people wants to fulfil their evil wish and name it to religion. Four wives immigration is not allowed, if it was allowed, you can imagine, how it would have been misused. CIC should allow multi-marriage, but it will be misused for sure.

My advice for your friend is to divorce the secret wives to avoid any further sins and apply for the immigration with genuine 1st wife.
What u talking I understand...but here i guess what he meant by secrecy is not letting know other wife about his marriage. That is permissible. He does not require permission or need to inform her about that....ifshe put condition in marriage contract then he has to tell her.
 

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More than one marriage is not a compulsion. The women population is higher than men's population in the world, so few of us should have more than one wife.
 

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More than one marriage is not a compulsion. The women population is higher than men's population in the world, so few of us should have more than one wife.
I agree :D
 

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My respect to all religions and to all GUYs participate in this post and I do not know
why some friends are angery believe me many men here especialy after wars married more than
two.And most of them they like to immigrate to Canada so what wrong I did when I carried a question of my friend.I do not know why some guys make fun of these thing.The marriages are not secret from populations and from court it is secret from other wives.
So sorry if I injured your sense and i am ready to withdraw my post
 

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I know everyone is laughing at this post but it "may" be genuine. In some countries it is legal to have 4 wives. My understanding of how CIC will treat it is that they will only deem the first marriage to be legal for the purposes of immigration to Canada. Under Canadian law, you can only have one spouse at a time. ALL of the children must be counted as his dependents but wives 2, 3 and 4 will not be counted nor can he gain any points for their education or family connections in Canada. OP Manual 2 says:

Polygamous marriages are legal in many countries, but they are not legal in Canada. Therefore,
they are excluded from the definition of marriage as per R117(9)(c)(i).
and

For Canadian immigration purposes, R117(9)(c)(i) excludes from
recognition marriages that took place when the sponsor or spouse was
married to another person. Therefore, the first marriage is the only one that
can potentially be recognized.
and

13.2. Polygamous marriages
Officers must counsel both parties that polygamy is an offence under the Criminal Code of
Canada.

R117(9)(c)(i) states that a spouse is not a member of the family class if the spouse or sponsor
was already married to another person at the time of the subsequent marriage. This regulation
prohibits a second (or third, etc.) wife from being recognized as a spouse within the family class
and provides that only the first marriage may potentially be recognized for immigration purposes.
In order for the first marriage to be recognized as legally valid under Canadian law, the couple
must live together in a monogamous marriage in Canada. Common law imparts that a
polygamous marriage can be converted into a monogamous marriage provided that the couple
live together in a monogamous relationship from the time of arrival in Canada. This conversion is
effected by the stated intention of the parties to so convert their marriage, followed by some
factual evidence that they have complied—usually by divorcing the other spouses and/or by a
remarriage in a form that is valid in Canada.

Note: The Department cannot require divorce(s) and remarriage. However, officers can ask for
evidence that the parties have converted their marriage to a monogamous one and can explain
what might constitute such evidence.

The decision to refuse must be based on the balance of all evidence, and not solely because the
applicant did not obtain a divorce. The parties must understand that refusal to provide such
evidence may result in a refusal of their application.

A polygamous second (or third, etc.) marriage cannot be converted to one of monogamy. If a
husband wishes to sponsor a wife other than his first as a spouse, he must divorce his other wives
and remarry the chosen wife in a form of marriage that is valid in Canada. He and his chosen
spouse must sign a declaration to that effect.

When a sponsor and applicant have been practising polygamy and there are children existing
from several spouses, officers must caution the sponsor and the spouse being sponsored that
other spouses will not be eligible for immigration to Canada even if their respective children are
sponsored. Officers must explain that separation of children from their mothers will likely be
permanent, and counsel the sponsor and applicant to consider the consequences of that
separation on the children. If the children nonetheless are sponsored, and if one of these children
subsequently sponsors their respective mother, this mother must be cautioned that she will have
no spousal status and related legal protection in Canada and that she will not be eligible for
support or other benefits that also flow from marriage under Canadian law.

The prohibition against polygamy in the Regulations, and the lack of recognition of all spouses
except the first, cannot be avoided by processing a second spouse as a common-law
partner. Legally, it is not possible to establish a common-law relationship that meets the definition
of such in terms of conjugality, where one or both parties are still living in a pre-existing conjugal
relationship. The notion of conjugality has within it the requirement of monogamy; therefore, it is
only possible in law to establish a new common-law relationship after a person is either divorced
or separated from the spouse or common-law partner and where they have convincingly formed
the intention not to continue with that previous relationship.

An already existing marriage, uninterrupted by separation, divorce or death, is a barrier that
cannot be overcome when assessing a second spouse as a common-law partner. However,
where such a barrier is removed (i.e., a first wife is subsequently divorced or is deceased), a
husband and second wife could choose either to remarry, or could potentially meet the definition
of common-law partner (i.e., where a husband was separated from a first wife and lived with a
second wife in a bona fide conjugal relationship for one year after the separation from a first
wife). Because a subsequent marriage (where the first is continuing) is not valid in Canadian law,
persons in such a scenario would be considered as single in law and thus, they would have to
remarry to be considered married under Canadian law.


This is how I understand CIC would process an application with these circumstances. PMM will correct me if I am wrong. I've been around this forum a long time and I'm actually surprised this question has not come up before.
Thanks a lot
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Hi,

first of all your friend cant apply, because canada dont allow it. and even if they allow it (which is somthing impossible), he should have like 50,000 CAD or even more so the answer is no.

canadestin, you are one of the people here on this forum that i like the most, specially your sense of humor.
but i just want to tell you someting just for the knowledge and not for any reason.
muslim man can marry muslim, christian, and jew women.
muslim woman can marry only a muslim man.

thank you all and hope the best for you all,
hussam
 

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canadestin said:
I guess that guy is a Muslim. If so then he has not done anything wrong. Islam permits a Man to marry four women provided he is just with all the 4. He doesn't need consent/permision of other wife to marry the rest.

Yes if any one of the wife in her marriage contract has include a condition like she wont agree if he marry some other women , then we can say he is wrong. If no such condition is there in all his 4 marriage contract then he is not wrong.
which religion do u follow? who said he can marry secretly without informing his previous wives..? something new to my ears
 

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Hi,

first of all your friend cant apply, because canada dont allow it. and even if they allow it (which is somthing is impossible), he should have like 50,000 CAD or even more so the answer is no.

canadestin, you are one of the people here on this forum that i like the most, specially your sense of humor.
but i just want to tell you someting just for the knowledge and not for any reason.
muslim man can marry muslim, christian, and jew women.
muslim woman can marry only a muslim man.

thank you all and hope the best for you all,
hussam

thnx hussam,

well i am aware that muslim man can marry jew and christian....but u see even jew and christian if they folow their religion then ultimately should believe in Allah and Muhammed (PBUH)..SO THEY ARE MUSLIMS TOO.

Why muslim can marry jew andChristians is...They all believe in one God (Allah) AND muslims believe in Moses and Jews (Peace be upon them) and all prophets told about believing in Allah and Muhammed (PBUH)
 
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