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dpenabill

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My guess in contrast to the point made based on analysis:

I have avoided expressing an opinion as to how I think it is now working because I did not want to distract from or confuse the overriding and more important point that there is a risk the PR rule will be enforced for a visa-exempt passenger. As usual, I will elaborate, but the short version is that I think that the PR rule is now being enforced for both PRs with visa-exempt passports and those who do not hold a visa-exempt passport.

This is my guess. I could easily be wrong. It is, thus, FWIW. But it is genuinely what I think.

As a reminder and for emphasis, the more important point remains that any PR who cannot afford a delay in returning to Canada should be aware there is a risk the PR rule, requiring a valid PR card or PR TD, will be enforced. And that, in general, even for visa-exempt PRs the better approach when traveling abroad is --
-- carry a valid PR card, or at the least
-- be prepared to obtain a PR TD (if the need arises)

As for the rule itself, it is actually the law (not merely an administrative rule or practice), as prescribed in IRPA Regulation section 259, in subsections 259.(a) and (f),

see http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/page-52.html#h-142

in conjunction with Subsection 148.(1)(a) in IRPA itself (IRPA is the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act), which prescribes that carriers (airlines and others) are prohibited from carrying "to Canada a person who . . . does not hold a prescribed document."

see http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-25.html#h-79


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Note: In the past there have been numerous reports (but less than fifty total in this forum over the course of the previous two or three years, perhaps even four or five, despite exaggerations claiming countless numbers) of instances in which these provisions have not been enforced against PRs carrying visa-exempt passports. However, in contrast, CIC and then IRCC has been posting numerous advisories since last August, when the eTA program was implemented, emphasizing changes and specifically cautioning that PRs need to have a valid PR card or PR TD to fly to Canada. Some of these advisories initially, and until relatively recently, also included a highlighted message about the eTA which included a reference to the leniency period, which message is still embedded in many IRCC web pages including numerous FAQs. However, pages specifically addressing PRs no longer include a message about eTA or the leniency period, but rather just state the policy for PRs; in particular (see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/about-pr.asp and http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=064&top=10 for example), including the following:

"Permanent residents (PRs) of Canada must carry and present their valid PR card or permanent resident travel document (PRTD) when boarding a flight to Canada, or travelling to Canada on any other commercial carrier. If you do not carry your PR card or PRTD, you may not be able to board your flight, train, bus or boat to Canada."

There is no mention of any leniency period for the enforcement of this policy, which again is based not just on administrative rule but is prescribed by law, in the provisions cited and linked above.

While others disagree, generally I think it is virtually tautological there is, inherently, a risk the actual rules will be enforced even if non-enforcement is so widespread that non-enforcement appears to be the de facto norm. And some continue to disagree that even given the changes to date there is much risk, if any, the PR rule will be enforced for a PR with a visa-exempt passport.

By the way, however, notwithstanding the amount of risk, no matter how low that risk is, the key point I have been making is nonetheless valid: even for visa-exempt PRs the better approach when traveling abroad is to carry a valid PR card, or at the least, be prepared to obtain a PR TD (if the need arises).


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Current law; mandatory eTA:

I do not know by what authority IRCC is allowing "leniency" for Foreign Nationals, those with visa-exempt passports but without eTA, to travel to Canada and be admitted into Canada. I assume there are some general provisions in IRPA which allow a degree of discretion in the enforcement of the law. (It is highly unlikely that IRCC is acting ultra vires, that is, without legal authority or outside the law.)

Make no mistake, however, the current law prescribes that eTA is now mandatory. In particular, the current law prescribes March 15, 2016 as the date on which eTA becomes mandatory; this is prescribed in IRPA Regulation section 7.1(1), which states:
"7.1 (1) A foreign national [who is visa-exempt] and who, on or after March 15, 2016, is seeking to enter Canada by air to remain on a temporary basis is, nevertheless, required to obtain an electronic travel authorization before entering Canada, unless they are [a member of the Royal Family, a U.S. National, or other exempted person]."

See http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/page-2.html#docCont

This is the applicable, official regulation, which is currently the governing law, and it clearly prescribes March 15, 2016 as the date after which eTA is required.

I have also seen some references in the regulations to situations in which, to paraphrase, persons may be allowed to board flights to Canada or to enter Canada if an officer directs they may. Perhaps it is this authority which allows IRCC to, essentially, waive enforcement of the law, during a "leniency period," for Foreign Nationals with visa-exempt passports but no eTA.



In any event, For What It is Worth:

My guess (my opinion) is that the appropriate Travel Documents rule for PRs is now being enforced.

In particular, my current impression, guess, or opinion, however one wants to characterize it, and again FWIW, is significantly stronger than merely a risk of enforcement, that the rule for PRs is indeed likely to be enforced for most (if not all) PRs, very soon (as in any day now) if not already; and actually my guess is that this is already the case, albeit perhaps the airlines are being given some flexibility in allowing PRs with visa-exempt passports to board notwithstanding not having a PR card or PR TD.

To be clear, this is significantly stronger than what I have previously observed. It is my opinion, in contrast to the more certain analytical conclusions regarding the risk of enforcement.

Obviously those who assert there is minimal or no risk disagree with this. Those views, I suggest, also fall under the category of For-What-It-Is-Worth (easy to guess what I think those views are worth).

Again, I have avoided expressing this opinion because I did not want to distract from what is the more important point, that PRs who cannot afford a delay in returning to Canada should carry a PR card or be prepared to obtain a PR TD, even if the risk of problems boarding the flight to Canada is relatively small.



Reminder; Current IRCC information for PRs:

In the meantime, to be clear as to what IRCC formally has to say on this subject, see either:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/about-pr.asp

or

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=064&top=10

Both clearly and unequivocally state that a PR needs to present either a valid PR card or a PR TD when boarding a flight to Canada. (There are, additionally, similar advisories at other pages, including some which specifically state this applies to both visa-exempt PRs and those PRs with passports which are not visa-exempt.) These particular pages were relatively recently updated to include these advisories.

At this juncture, my take is that those PRs who proceed abroad without a PR card or being prepared to obtain a PR TD, including those with a visa-exempt passport, do so at their peril (albeit there is still the travel via the U.S., taking a private vehicle to the border loophole).
 

dabas

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Depnabill, many thanks for taking the time and interest to elaborate on my query.
Where I come from “grace period” is the term used often to say “leniency”.
You have discussed enough the risk of PRs with visa exempt passports not being allowed to board. Is the risk is limited to boarding a carrier only? I will be more concerned about the risks on arrival, provided that I managed to board, what should I do when I check in a POE where I have to admit I am PR but my PR either expired, lost, being renewed or whatever. Can you please let me know what happens at POE for PR who boarded with visa exempt passport but with expired PR card?
I cannot imagine entering Canada or a visa exempt passport as a visitor when I am PR, which will be true misrepresentation.
 

dpenabill

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dabas said:
Depnabill, many thanks for taking the time and interest to elaborate on my query.
Where I come from “grace period” is the term used often to say “leniency”.
You have discussed enough the risk of PRs with visa exempt passports not being allowed to board. Is the risk is limited to boarding a carrier only? I will be more concerned about the risks on arrival, provided that I managed to board, what should I do when I check in a POE where I have to admit I am PR but my PR either expired, lost, being renewed or whatever. Can you please let me know what happens at POE for PR who boarded with visa exempt passport but with expired PR card?
I cannot imagine entering Canada or a visa exempt passport as a visitor when I am PR, which will be true misrepresentation.
PRs are entitled to enter Canada. This is prescribed in IRPA, the Act itself. So if a PR reaches a PoE, by whatever means, all a PR needs to do is establish identity and status, recognizing that establishing identity (typically using passport) for most will also establish status (contrary to the opinion of some, most PR's passports are connected to their records in various CBSA and IRCC databases; that is to say, the system will usually identify a PR as such based on the PR's passport, regardless which country the passport is from). Best to present a PR card even if it is expired, if one has it, or one's landing documents (CoPR for anyone who landed in the last decade). Otherwise (no PR card, even an expired one, or CoPR or landing document) one might incur some delay in Secondary while CBSA confirms PR status.

But again, PRs are entitled to enter Canada. If a PR makes it to the PoE, they will let the PR enter.

See Section 19.(2) IRPA, which prescribes: "An officer shall allow a permanent resident to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that they have that status."
see http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-5.html#h-16

Thus, no particular document is necessary, so long as identity and status is established.

Note I: This is reference to the provisions governing examinations, typically at a PoE, of persons seeking entry into Canada; Section 19.(1) is much the same regarding citizens, except it specifically references the right a citizen has to enter and remain in Canada, which is prescribed by Section 6.(1) in the Charter of Rights, which is one of the few rights reserved explicitly for citizens and is not a right PRs have (PRs have a lesser right of mobility within Canada, as prescribed in Section 6.(2) in the Charter of Rights, and which is also subject to limitations per Section 6.(3) in the Charter).


Note II: I cited and linked above Regulations which prescribe the documents authorizing entry. Those regulations do not limit entry, but are specifically the "prescribed documents" which authorize entry, and thus are the documents a passenger must hold to board a flight to Canada. In contrast, IRPA Regulations 6 to 9 are the provisions which prescribe limitations on entry. None of these apply to a PR. (And as discussed above, new Regulation 7.1(1) specifies the eTA requirement, as of March 15, 2016, before entering Canada; but again this only applies to Foreign Nationals.)

For these Regulations see: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/page-2.html#right-panel
 

dabas

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Thanks again Depnabill for your explanation based on which there is no risk being able to enter Canada with visa exempt passport and proof of PR status. The main risk remains with the airlines allowing me to board with expired PR card which I will not present if I am in this situation and will just show my visa exempt passport. My PR card did not yet expire but I am thinking ahead of my options if my PR renewal fails or gets delayed.

CIC says leniency till fall, in terms of date by which the fall ends or the leniency ends, what is your take of the date?
 

dpenabill

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dabas said:
Thanks again Depnabill for your explanation based on which there is no risk being able to enter Canada with visa exempt passport and proof of PR status. The main risk remains with the airlines allowing me to board with expired PR card which I will not present if I am in this situation and will just show my visa exempt passport. My PR card did not yet expire but I am thinking ahead of my options if my PR renewal fails or gets delayed.

CIC says leniency till fall, in terms of date by which the fall ends or the leniency ends, what is your take of the date?
My take is explained in depth in multiple posts above, including in the post immediately above your post two days ago.

Short version:

-- there is a substantial risk the PR rule will be enforced despite presentation of visa-exempt passport and leniency period

-- my guess, however, is that the rule is being broadly if not universally enforced already, leniency period not applicable to PRs

The PR rule is simple: PRs must present PR card or PR TD to be allowed to board a flight to Canada, even if they have a visa-exempt passport. Many have reported this rule was not enforced in the past against PRs with visa-exempt passports. Others here are certain it is still not being enforced against PRs with visa-exempt passports. Some acknowledge it may be enforced but the risk of this is less than substantial.

My take, again, to be clear, is that there is a substantial risk the rule will be enforced, and my guess (FWIW) is that it is actually now being enforced against all PRs including those with visa-exempt passports.



Added note: I notice in another post you indicate your PR card does not expire until Fall. You can definitely board a flight to Canada anytime before then. That's what the PR card is for. As of fall, the differences of opinion regarding whether the rule for PRs is likely to be enforced will be history. As of fall, it is virtually certain the PR rule will apply, that boarding a flight to Canada will require a PR card or PR TD.

Further note: Rules are always subject to change. Thus, for example, the rule for PRs will for sure be enforced as of the Fall unless there are changes made due to hardships and unnecessary paperwork imposed on visa-exempt PRs, and it is indeed possible even if not likely, they could relax the rule for PRs with visa-exempt passports.
 

dublinfunk

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Hi Guys,

Same situation for me. Although just within the US. What I was planning was to land in Belmingham (nearest airport in the border at Vancouver) and just take a limo service from there. I couldnt find car rentals with drop offs in Vancouver.
 

dpenabill

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FWIW: Contrasting info for dual citizens versus PRs:

Information on the current IRCC web site specifically states that dual citizens can still board a flight to Canada, until fall, using their visa-exempt passport. In contrast, the IRCC web site formally states that PRs, however, must present either a PR card or PR Travel Document.

I am hesitant to read too much into the government's website information, but the contrast certainly warrants noting.

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Longer elaboration:

For what it is worth, the links for the exceptions on the web page titled "Find out if you need an Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA) or a visitor visa," which is at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.asp , for dual citizens and Canadian permanent residents may be a clue or even tell the tale.

At the http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/dual-canadian-citizens.asp web page it explicitly references the leniency period during "Canada's busy summer travel season" and cautions:

"At the end of the transition period, in fall 2016, you will need to show proof that you are a Canadian citizen before you board your flight to Canada."

That is, it explicitly states that dual citizens can still board a flight to Canada using a visa-exempt passport but come the end of the leniency period they will need a Canadian passport. (Ironically, dual citizens abroad may encounter more difficulty obtaining a travel document to travel to Canada, after the leniency period, than it will be for non-Citizen Canadian PRs.)

In contrast, the link for Canadian permanent residents is to the page titled "Understand permanent resident status" http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/about-pr.asp which makes NO mention of the leniency period, but explicitly states that PRs need to present either a PR card or PR Travel Document when boarding a flight to Canada.

Is the approach being taken, during the leniency period, actually different for dual citizens versus PRs? If the IRCC information is read literally, that would appear to be the case. But as noted, there is temptation to read too much into such information and perhaps this is reading too much.

My assessment remains as before:
-- there is at least a significant risk the PR rule will be enforced
-- my guess is that it is being enforced, but that is a FWIW guess
 

axelfoley

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Any recent update from anyone who has an expired PR card and holds a visa-exempt passport successfully travelling to Canada after 15th March 2016, without an eTA, and on the basis of presenting themselves as a foreign national with and not declaring/admitting themselves as being a PR? Any experience of specific airlines and countries of departure?