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Please Advise -urgent case-spousal sponsorship

Aquakitty

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danawhitaker said:
I was mainly pointing out to the previous poster that it's not that uncommon for people to live together without serious commitment. I have a cousin who would have five common law wives at this point based on CIC's definition of common law because he'd pretty much move in with anyone he was dating at the time very quickly, and many of those relationships did last longer than a year but ultimately didn't work out.

Though their definition is interesting. The guide for the IMM 0008 form says one year living together in a "marital-type" relationship as the definition for common law. That's vague wording in itself. What does one define as a marital-type relationship? It's not specified verbatim in the guide for filling out that form. Just living together doesn't fit that bill in my mind. I can definitely see how it looks from CIC's perspective. But on the flip side, they have strict requirements that people have to meet for spousal sponsorship to prove that it's a common law relationship in the first place, and just living together doesn't seem to be good enough for that.

Either way, as you mention, it's a moot point, given the circumstances.
It's not that living together isn't enough, because it is. It's that you have to PROVE you were living together. Now, in OP's case, they already admitted on the application forms that they were living together. Now, they'd have to prove they weren't. The role is reversed because of the burden of proof required to obtain permanent residence.
 

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canadianwoman said:
Saying your husband made a genuine mistake won't help. Showing you both have good jobs and a good education won't help.
I think you should go to the interview and be prepared to argue that you were not common-law. Say you were just trying out living together to see if it would work, that you hid it from your parents, that you fought a lot, that you broke up several times, that your now-husband left the apartment to live elsewhere for several weeks, that you did not intend this to be common-law as evidenced by the fact you did not have a joint account and paid all your expenses separately. Bring any proof of this you have.
When talking to the visa officer, he or she is not going to believe you, and will argue with you. Try to remain calm, do not give in, do not change your story, be consistent.
Probably the visa officer will find that you were common-law, and so cannot be sponsored now. However, I think you might as well go to the interview and try.
I also think you should start looking into how you could immigrate to Canada on your own.
This is about the best advice, and what I would do in that situation.

You never know, there is a chance, if you can come up with some kind of proof of separation. DON'T try the ignorance route. That never works.


One big question. Did your husband use the same address as you when he applied for his PR originally?


I've looked at CANLII for a few similar cases. These are FEDERAL cases though, not just an interview with an officer. Their requirements are sometimes different.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2016/2016canlii83658/2016canlii83658.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAkcHJvY2VkdXJhbCAvcyBmYWlybmVzcyAvcyBjb21tb24tbGF3AAAAAAE&resultIndex=1


- Appeal allowed because both parties told the same story. Essentially a mistake on the application. The sponsor's original PR application had a different address from the person he was sponsoring.

- Never shared a home, made separate plans for the future, did not make purchases together, did not support each other financially. However, the time period in question is much longer than yours.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2016/2016canlii64922/2016canlii64922.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAiImRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgY29tbW9uLWxhdyBwYXJ0bmVyIgAAAAAB&resultIndex=6

-Spent more time apart than togethery had separate rooms and lives while in the same complex, and never held themselves out as anything other than boyfriend and girlfriend.

The Supreme Court has adopted a list of factors to examine when assessing a conjugal relationship.[7] While the appellant and applicant resided in a shared apartment complex, they maintained separate rooms, and the appellant paid rent. They were sexual partners with no long term commitment. Each was busy with their work, and the appellant particularly focused on coming to Canada in order to eventually assist his family financially. The oral testimony in this regard is supported by the evidence before the panel.

- Also a child involved as a reason why they decided to get married yet weren't "common-law" before despite living together.


http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2014/2014canlii98542/2014canlii98542.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAiImRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgY29tbW9uLWxhdyBwYXJ0bmVyIgAAAAAB&resultIndex=15

- Common-law relationship frowned upon in their culture, mistake on the form as they didn't actually live together, just stayed together a lot, didn't have intimate relations before their marriage. No joint assets, property, bills or accounts.

Unfortunately there are far more dismissed appeals in this situation than there are allowed appeals. I would try to make the point that you knew it would look like this, but that you didn't want to lie about the living situation and that you weren't truly common-law at the time of his PR landing.

Bring as much proof as you can and do more research. Good luck to you.
 

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Emmaswan said:
I know. I will just tell the truth. If the officer still think just by living together for 12 months is common law partner despite of other factors, i will just appeal or find the other way to immigrate by my own .




No matter what you do your old applications will always be on file
 

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Emmaswan said:
I know. I will just tell the truth. If the officer still think just by living together for 12 months is common law partner despite of other factors, i will just appeal or find the other way to immigrate by my own .




And if you appeal the judge would side with cic and the crown. Because they would have a strong case against you and your husband
 

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Aquakitty said:
This is about the best advice, and what I would do in that situation.

You never know, there is a chance, if you can come up with some kind of proof of separation. DON'T try the ignorance route. That never works.


One big question. Did your husband use the same address as you when he applied for his PR originally?


I've looked at CANLII for a few similar cases. These are FEDERAL cases though, not just an interview with an officer. Their requirements are sometimes different.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2016/2016canlii83658/2016canlii83658.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAkcHJvY2VkdXJhbCAvcyBmYWlybmVzcyAvcyBjb21tb24tbGF3AAAAAAE&resultIndex=1


- Appeal allowed because both parties told the same story. Essentially a mistake on the application. The sponsor's original PR application had a different address from the person he was sponsoring.

- Never shared a home, made separate plans for the future, did not make purchases together, did not support each other financially. However, the time period in question is much longer than yours.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2016/2016canlii64922/2016canlii64922.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAiImRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgY29tbW9uLWxhdyBwYXJ0bmVyIgAAAAAB&resultIndex=6

-Spent more time apart than togethery had separate rooms and lives while in the same complex, and never held themselves out as anything other than boyfriend and girlfriend.

The Supreme Court has adopted a list of factors to examine when assessing a conjugal relationship.[7] While the appellant and applicant resided in a shared apartment complex, they maintained separate rooms, and the appellant paid rent. They were sexual partners with no long term commitment. Each was busy with their work, and the appellant particularly focused on coming to Canada in order to eventually assist his family financially. The oral testimony in this regard is supported by the evidence before the panel.

- Also a child involved as a reason why they decided to get married yet weren't "common-law" before despite living together.


http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2014/2014canlii98542/2014canlii98542.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAiImRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgY29tbW9uLWxhdyBwYXJ0bmVyIgAAAAAB&resultIndex=15

- Common-law relationship frowned upon in their culture, mistake on the form as they didn't actually live together, just stayed together a lot, didn't have intimate relations before their marriage. No joint assets, property, bills or accounts.

Unfortunately there are far more dismissed appeals in this situation than there are allowed appeals. I would try to make the point that you knew it would look like this, but that you didn't want to lie about the living situation and that you weren't truly common-law at the time of his PR landing.

Bring as much proof as you can and do more research. Good luck to you.
Thanks for your info. My husband applied his PR through PNP and he used the address where we just cohabited for 6months.
 

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Aquakitty said:
I've looked at CANLII for a few similar cases.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2016/2016canlii83658/2016canlii83658.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAkcHJvY2VkdXJhbCAvcyBmYWlybmVzcyAvcyBjb21tb24tbGF3AAAAAAE&resultIndex=1


http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2016/2016canlii64922/2016canlii64922.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAiImRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgY29tbW9uLWxhdyBwYXJ0bmVyIgAAAAAB&resultIndex=6


http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2014/2014canlii98542/2014canlii98542.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAiImRlZmluaXRpb24gb2YgY29tbW9uLWxhdyBwYXJ0bmVyIgAAAAAB&resultIndex=15
Except these aren't really similar to OP's case.

1. They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.

2. They lived separately within the same complex.

3 They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.
 

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canuck_in_uk said:
Except these aren't really similar to OP's case.

1. They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.

2. They lived separately within the same complex.

3 They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.








But Emmaswan keeps changing her stories and if she appeals the crown has a strong case where they can prove she not admission able. And if she applied for something they have her files in record
 

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canuck_in_uk said:
Except these aren't really similar to OP's case.

1. They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.

2. They lived separately within the same complex.

3 They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.
Yes, I just finished reading those cases. However, my friend just sent me this case... which is more similar to my situation. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2007/2007fc816/2007fc816.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAJMTI1KDEpKGQpAAAAAAE&resultIndex=1
 

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Emmaswan said:
Yes, I just finished reading those cases. However, my friend just sent me this case... which is more similar to my situation. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2007/2007fc816/2007fc816.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAJMTI1KDEpKGQpAAAAAAE&resultIndex=1
The application was not approved by the court but sent to another immigration officer for review. As others have told you anything is possible but I suspect a long hard road ahead.
 

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Emmaswan said:
Yes, I just finished reading those cases. However, my friend just sent me this case... which is more similar to my situation. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2007/2007fc816/2007fc816.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAJMTI1KDEpKGQpAAAAAAE&resultIndex=1
Also an interesting case. Probably helped by the fact they were living together while at college and quite young. I imagine the burden of proof to convince it's not a common-law relationship will get harder and harder the older the couple is.
 

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Even if the criteria for common-law is reduced from a marital-like relationship (which this couple did not have due to lack of financial and other commitment) to simply:
#1. Living at the same address for 12 months
#2. Dating

Then bring sufficient proof of either not continuously living at same address - if you left for long trips or lived elsewhere or proof of breakdowns in relationship (#2).
Get notarized statements to this effect from family, friends, landlords, air tickets for trips alone and bring them.

If you don't have such proof, then probably you were indeed common-law.
 

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canuck_in_uk said:
Except these aren't really similar to OP's case.

1. They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.

2. They lived separately within the same complex.

3 They didn't live together and had proof to back that up.
Lol, that's the point I was making. Did you see the notes I made?

There are pages and pages of cases, I am sure OP can spend the time to look. I simply picked a few recent ones out out that showed "appeal allowed".
 

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I think they want her to clarify
 

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Emma swan how did the interview go