Planning to give birth in Canada.. please help

[Desmania]

ok so I am pregnant and planning to travel to canada to give birth. Obtaining a visiting visa is not a problem for me. What i'm worried about is :
- Once I reach canada will I be deported back because i'm pregnant or will i be refused to enter the country?
I am not looking for a residency or citizenship just a citizenship for my baby. Once we're done with that i shall be heading back home. the main reason why I need citizenship for my child is to guarantee free medical health care for the baby (only the baby) so:
- I also need to make sure and know if any canadian citizen regardless of the state of the parents with be given a free medical healthcare? or do the parents need to obtain a health insurance like is the case in USA?
thanks

 

[toby]

ok so I am pregnant and planning to travel to canada to give birth. Obtaining a visiting visa is not a problem for me. What i'm worried about is :
- Once I reach canada will I be deported back because i'm pregnant or will i be refused to enter the country?
I am not looking for a residency or citizenship just a citizenship for my baby. Once we're done with that i shall be heading back home. the main reason why I need citizenship for my child is to guarantee free medical health care for the baby (only the baby)

Translation: You want Canada taxpayers to pay your baby's medical bills, while you live elsewhere and make no financial contribution to the health-care plan. I'm guessing that not many taxpayers on this site will want to help you defraud them of their hard-earned money.


So:
- I also need to make sure and know if any Canadian citizen regardless of the state of the parents with be given a free medical healthcare? or do the parents need to obtain a health insurance like is the case in USA?

Any person wanting health care needs to be a member of a provincial health plan. Members must be resident in Canada at least 6 months a year for the B.C. and Ontario plans (I'm not sure about the others).

Also, being in Canada at least 6 months makes the member a taxpayer in Canada, so getting medical care in Canada is anything but free, if you do it legally.

I am not sure whether the baby can be a paying member of a health-care plan while the parents are abroad. But if the baby is abroad with you, travelling to Canada to get health care would be very inconvenient, and more expensive in all but the most serious cases.

thanks

 

[newtone]

Classic example of how a system is being abused

For your information Canada is not a love nest or dumping ground for the worlds population, nor will Canadian citizenship will be used or abused as a right of passage for your kids in the event "shit" hits the ceiling in your home country (because of what you did, what your government did or your family did) your kids can flash the passport and come here as a safe haven.

We as Canadian tax payers will not and should not support your intentions of popping your baby here for the sake of getting passport. The immigration officials know this, some people in this forum are active immigration officers and they will take action against you. There are some laws that aren't written but applied and I am sure they will do it. It has happened before and I fully support our governments efforts and the hard work of the CBSA who are actively weeding out abusers of Canadian generosity. Sorry to say it will be better if you have your baby back home unless you are looking to be persecuted for wrongful intention for entering the country.

 

[Desmania]

You want Canada taxpayers to pay your baby's medical bills, while you live elsewhere and make no financial contribution to the health-care plan.

Well the canadian government should've thought of that before making this type of immigration legal! it is not my fault that I am looking for the best for my child! My unborn child is diagnosed with a critical health condition that the cure for it is not available in my county and the cost of this type of treatment abroad exceeds my financial abilities. What would you do if you were in my position?

 

[Canooknic]

As far as I know it costs on average between $5,000-10,000 depending on province and hospital and that is for a straight forward birth without medical intervention/issues.
I would do anything for my kids, so I understand your dilemma, but a huge debt isn't a great start for a baby either. Will you be able to support yourself and him/her if you do make it here?

 

[Desmania]

As far as I know it costs on average between $5,000-10,000 depending on province and hospital and that is for a straight forward birth without medical intervention/issues.
I would do anything for my kids, so I understand your dilemma, but a huge debt isn't a great start for a baby either. Will you be able to support yourself and him/her if you do make it here?

Thank you for you sweet and kind words.. I know how much its gonna cost me already and I can afford that without any debts thank god.. I just want whats best for my child and what i'm in now is not easy at all. if I cant secure a good and free or affordable treatment for my child then I will seriously be in debt for god knows how many years...

 

[toby]

Well the canadian government should've thought of that before making this type of immigration legal!

I agree: the Canadian government is sometimes very stupid. This type of back-door citizenship -- which goes against the interests of Canadians, who are already over-taxed -- should not be allowed. But since it IS allowed legally (I assume you are correct; I don't know myself) , it puts you in a moral (although not legal) dilemma: look after the interests of your child by foisting its medical bills on Canadians, or pay for its medical treatment yourself, even though it would impose a serious financial burden on you.

This is not an easy choice for you, I am sure, and I would be sympathetic except that you seem to believe that just because it may be legally allowed by Canada, that it is therefore morally OK to disadvantage Canadian taxpayers. I see nowhere in your texts that you feel any shame or at least embarrassment in scheming to make Canada to pay for your child's medical bills.

it is not my fault that I am looking for the best for my child! My unborn child is diagnosed with a critical health condition that the cure for it is not available in my county and the cost of this type of treatment abroad exceeds my financial abilities. What would you do if you were in my position?

 

[Desmania]

@ toby

We havent heard your moral believes on canada's support to the war on Iraq. and before that the war on Afghanistan and before that the gulf war!! Wasn't the taxpayers money used in that as well!!
here's a little good read for you:-
(too bad I cant post a link)!

 

[toby]

@ toby

We havent heard your moral believes on canada's support to the war on Iraq. and before that the war on Afghanistan and before that the gulf war!! Wasn't the taxpayers money used in that as well!!
here's a little good read for you:-
(too bad I cant post a link)!

I can see that you are determined to justify your unethical behaviour by trying to shift attention to questionable actions by the Canadian government. This is the common trick of a debater who thinks he is losing the argument -- raise digressions and irrelevant points to throw us off the main point.

The main point is not the sometimes-debatable actions by the Canadian government. Some of these government actions were supported by Canadian taxpayers, and others weren't, but no matter. The main point is, "are you morally justified in foisting your baby's medical bills on Canadian taxpayers?" The answer is "no", and no debate on government morality is going to change this.

Take a moment to consider the average taxpayer. Some are struggling to make ends meet, struggling to provide their babies with a decent standard of living, or even health, and you come along and glibly load them with your debts. If there is Karma, you are in serious danger.

 

[YorkFactory]

@ toby

We havent heard your moral believes on canada's support to the war on Iraq.

What support did the Canadian Forces provide to the war in Iraq?

 

[itscoezy]

I'm confused. We have to pay taxes regardless. If this lady comes and has her baby in Canada and uses our health care system, we STILL have to pay taxes. This doesn't change... I understand where you are coming from - but the government chooses where to put our tax dollars, and wont request an xtra 20 dollars from each citizen because someone extra is now using our health care system. Enlighten me I'm genuinely confused (and I might add, not into politics at all..)

 

[Peter Rabbit]

We have to pay taxes no matter what – if we work here. I guess that the government would have to increase taxes in order to cover increasing costs, or we will have to do with fewer services available, if more people who do not contribute are using the system.
My taxes were over 30k last year alone. Yet, I have to wait 3 months for a check-up and 6 months to get an appointment for a general check-up. Sometimes, I wish we would have private health care. It would work just great for me, but not for others .... So may be private health care is not the best solution. But, also, it is not ok for someone like myself, who contributes, to wait for 3 and 6 moths for a dr's appointment. I do not think!
I feel for the woman, but millions of people are in similar situations as well. How can we help them? She is lucky to be able to get here to use our health system, but what about others? What about people who contribute to our communities and are on long waiting lists to get medical care? I guess that if they are not in good health, they will not be able to work and thus pay taxes ... hence, no services for anyone.
But what do I know?

 

[itscoezy]

We have to pay taxes no matter what – if we work here. I guess that the government would have to increase taxes in order to cover increasing costs, or we will have to do with fewer services available, if more people who do not contribute are using the system.
My taxes were over 30k last year alone. Yet, I have to wait 3 months for a check-up and 6 months to get an appointment for a general check-up. Sometimes, I wish we would have private health care. It would work just great for me, but not for others .... So may be private health care is not the best solution. But, also, it is not ok for someone like myself, who contributes, to wait for 3 and 6 moths for a dr's appointment. I do not think!
I feel for the woman, but millions of people are in similar situations as well. How can we help them? She is lucky to be able to get here to use our health system, but what about others? What about people who contribute to our communities and are on long waiting lists to get medical care? I guess that if they are not in good health, they will not be able to work and thus pay taxes ... hence, no services for anyone.
But what do I know?

Are you in Canada?? If so, what part... I was in BC for 24 years and never had to wait more than a day for a checkup with a doctor... I think maybe you need a new doctor who has less patients? - If you are referring to ultrasounds/speciality doctors then i see where you are coming from - it definitely is a long wait if not labeled urgent.

 

[toby]

I'm confused. We have to pay taxes regardless. If this lady comes and has her baby in Canada and uses our health care system, we STILL have to pay taxes. This doesn't change... I understand where you are coming from - but the government chooses where to put our tax dollars, and wont request an xtra 20 dollars from each citizen because someone extra is now using our health care system. Enlighten me I'm genuinely confused (and I might add, not into politics at all..)

If the health care system costs (e.g.) $500,000,000 per year to run, to pay doctors, nurses, and to pay expenses like drugs and buildings, then Canadian taxpayers must pay $500,000,000 in taxes to pay for all this. If someone comes along and makes Canadians pay (e.g.) $50,000 for her baby, even though she has not helped out by paying any taxes, then taxpayers must pay $500,050,000. The additional $50,000 comes directly out of Canadian taxpayers' pockets. If the government incurs more expenses, I can promise you they will raise taxes. It is arithmetic, and has been the pattern throughout history. Who else is going to pay the expenses? Not the one seeking to burden Canadians with her baby's medical expenses.

 

[Peter Rabbit]

Either this, or there will be cuts in other areas.
Two years ago, I did not get any chalk at the beginning of the school year = not sufficient funds (while the costs of school supplies are increasing, our school needs are not decreasing). So, I bought some with my own money – I just did not see how I could go through an academic school year without chalk (such a basic thing). Also, I did not want to go through the headache of getting approval to get the money from the activity fees (in our school board, actually in many school boards in Ontario, parents pay some $30/child at the beginning of the school year).
I value education and health, and I strongly believe that many of us do. They are priceless. We all need them so much. We can not cut any more into these two major areas without facing serious repercussions.