Plane ticket to prove my return to Canada...sufficient hopefully...!?

[fandv]

Hi everyone,

I'm a Canadian citizen who's sponsoring my Indonesian wife to Canada. We are about to mail our application to CPC-Mississauga in literally a few hours from now.

I've been in Indonesia since September 2012, and I mainly came here to help prepare for our wedding, to actually marry my wife, to have our honeymoon here, to work on and prepare this (gigantic) application package, and, it goes without saying, to spend time with my wife.

I came to Indonesia with a tourist visa, and I'm going back to Canada at the end of February 2013 (so when I return to Canada, I will have been in Indonesia for about 5 months.)

According to CIC's rules, Canadian citizens are allowed to reside out of Canada during the application process, as long as they show proofs that they intend to resettle in Canada. Because of that, I have enclosed my return ticket for going back to Canada.

But now I keep wondering whether or not to include another proof of intention to resettle in Canada, which is my latest Canadian cellphone account statement. I am keeping my Canadian cellphone line active, obviously because I will be using it again when I'm back in Canada.

Here's the thing, if my latest cellphone account statement is the only proof of ties to Canada that I am enclosing in the application, won't the VO think "hmm how come this guy only enclosed 1 form of proof? We want more!"

So to avoid the VO's thinking like that, now I began to wonder if I should just include only the return ticket instead....that way there's no confusion...

I'm confused...! Ticket only, or ticket with cellphone account statement?!

 

[Sweden]

Just include a note explaining your situation like you did here - you reside in Canada usually, you have been in Indonesia for these reasons, and you're going back on that date - include a copy of plane ticket, and a note explaining where you will live, the fact that your cell phone is still active etc. No worries - you'll be fine!
Sweden

 

[shronak]

Hi fandv,

The proof you are talking a bout is for Canadian citizens like me, that has the center of her life (work, family, pay taxes etc.) in a country that is not Canada.
You are considered a tourist, so no need of proof.

Sharona

 

[tuyen]

Hi fandv,

The proof you are talking a bout is for Canadian citizens like me, that has the center of her life (work, family, pay taxes etc.) in a country that is not Canada.
You are considered a tourist, so no need of proof.

Sharona

You're giving him completely incorrect and dangerous advice which will undoubtedly result in potentially long delays with his application, assuming they don't throw it out completely and return it to him for insufficient documentation.

Yes, he most certainly DOES need to show proof that he plans to return to Canada, because he's filing an outland application while he, as the sponsor, is not in Canada.

 

[scylla]

You're giving him completely incorrect and dangerous advice which will undoubtedly result in potentially long delays with his application, assuming they don't throw it out completely and return it to him for insufficient documentation.

Yes, he most certainly DOES need to show proof that he plans to return to Canada, because he's filing an outland application while he, as the sponsor, is not in Canada.

I agree with tuyen. If the OP was on a 3-4 week visit - then I wouldn't bother including proof. However he's been out of Canada for almost 5 months now. CIC will view this as living outside of Canada. Consequently proof must be provided that he has plans to return.

 

[tuyen]

So to avoid the VO's thinking like that, now I began to wonder if I should just include only the return ticket instead....that way there's no confusion...

I'm confused...! Ticket only, or ticket with cellphone account statement?!

You really should've read the instructions in the Sponsorship Guide or did some more research, because a return ticket and cell phone bills could easily be rejected as insufficient proof.

They want to see things like a copy of a lease or mortgage for where you'll be living, and a letter from an employer stating that you have a job waiting for you when you get back to Canada. Those things are far more convincing than a plane ticket or cell phone bill.

 

[scylla]

You really should've read the instructions in the Sponsorship Guide or did some more research, because a return ticket and cell phone bills could easily be rejected as insufficient proof.

They want to see things like a copy of a lease or mortgage for where you'll be living, and a letter from an employer stating that you have a job waiting for you when you get back to Canada. Those things are far more convincing than a plane ticket or cell phone bill.

Agreed. To add to the list of possible evidence.. Proof of property owned in Canada, proof of job search, proof of school enrollment, proof of other assets held (e.g. bank accounts, investment accounts).

 

[fandv]

Agreed. To add to the list of possible evidence.. Proof of property owned in Canada, proof of job search, proof of school enrollment, proof of other assets held (e.g. bank accounts, investment accounts).

Alright, my thoughts:

Property: I don't have one...in Canada I live at my parents' house (although, once my wife lands in Canada, I will buy my own house.)

School: I graduated from university 6 years ago, so no proof whatsoever related to school enrollment.

Job: I already have a job...my employer is Canadian (for whom I've been working for 5,5 years), and I obtained permission from them to work remotely while in Indonesia. In the employment letter that is required (as stated in the checklist IMM 5491), my employer wrote that they are aware that I'm sponsoring my wife so that she can eventually live in Canada with me.

I do have a Canadian bank account, driving licence, RRSP and TFSA accounts (to non-Canadians: these 2 are investment accounts).

Should I really include all these things in addition to the plane ticket then?!

And I'm concerned that I don't own a property (yet)...! I hope that's not a deal breaker?!

 

[Yulei]

Hi, what i would do if i were you, based on what i have read:

1. Endorse copy of my return ticket

2. A letter from my employer on the company letter head with all relevant contacts,Indicating I am their staff and the number of years i have worked, they are aware that i travelled on so so date, and while i was away i was working remotely, I plan to return and get back to office

3. My payslip for the last three months, if possible copy of my employment letter

4. Bank account statement and the investment account (RRSP and TFSA)

5. And then a covering letter explaining exactly what you wrote at the very first post.(You position)

Then crown it all with strong prayers. Good luck mate and hope it helps.

 

[OhCanadiana]

Just include a note explaining your situation like you did here - you reside in Canada usually, you have been in Indonesia for these reasons, and you're going back on that date - include a copy of plane ticket, and a note explaining where you will live, the fact that your cell phone is still active etc. No worries - you'll be fine!
Sweden

This is very good advice.

 

[canadianwoman]

Send more than just the return plane ticket, as above posters have suggested.
However, you are going to be back working in Canada fairly soon after sending in the application, so once you are settled back in your job and apartment (or with your parents, whatever) send in proof you have reestablished yourself back in Canada. Send it to the visa office processing your file once you have a file number.

 

[fandv]

To Yulei:
I do have a return ticket and an employment letter from my employer, mentioning all the things you listed above

Bank account statement: a bit tricky.....*sigh* when I log in to my online banking, the statement that I see, doesn't actually show my name. Looks like the only way is to get a paper statement, which means having to request for one from my bank....and I've no idea how long it might take to reach Indonesia...sometimes incoming mails from Canada reach Indonesia in 2 weeks, sometimes in 1 month.

My investment accounts: same issues as my bank statement, but even trickier, since my investment companies don't show monthly statements...they do it every 3 months, and the one covering January 2013 is not out yet...


To canadianwoman:

Any ideas what kind of proofs I can show that I have re-established myself back in Canada? I guess showing my boarding passes and Indonesian exit stamp (on my passport) is pretty much the only way, no...?

Also, why send it to the visa office (in my case, Singapore)? Shouldn't I send it to the office that's going to process the sponsorship part, which is CPC-Mississauga?

As for the letter from my parents: does it have to be original? Is it okay to have my parents sign and scan the letter, and then email it to me (PDF or JPG or whatever), so that I can print it out?

 

[Yulei]

Well then, you can request for it to be send to your address in canada and then you can ask your parent to send it by DHL or speak to the bank to find out how you can get the statement online showing your full details which should be possible in pdf. As for the investment doc, if that is stressful its better not to include than including it not complete to avoid raising of eye brow.

 

[canadianwoman]

To canadianwoman:

Any ideas what kind of proofs I can show that I have re-established myself back in Canada? I guess showing my boarding passes and Indonesian exit stamp (on my passport) is pretty much the only way, no...?

Also, why send it to the visa office (in my case, Singapore)? Shouldn't I send it to the office that's going to process the sponsorship part, which is CPC-Mississauga?

Because you are in fact going to be back living in Canada shortly after sending in the application, you don't really need as much proof you plan to return to Canada as would a sponsor who is living abroad and will continue to do so until his/her spouse gets the PR visa. So yes, submit proof you plan to return to Canada. But in addition, once you are back in Canada, I would send more proof to show that you have reestablished yourself. This is just extra proof. The proof people send to show they will return to Canada is not always found to be sufficient; much better proof is evidence you are in fact back in Canada. So wait until you have a place to live and a job, then send this proof to the visa office in Singapore.
The proof the sponsor will go back to Canada is not only relevant to the sponsor's application. Many people have been approved as a sponsor, then the PR visa was rejected because the visa officer did not believe the sponsor would return to Canada. In other words, the proof they submitted was good enough for Missauga, but was not good enough for the embassy processing the PR application.
It is also not a good idea to send things to Missauga after you have sent the main application there. Most likely the two parts will not be matched up. It is better to send any extra proof you gather after applying to the visa office abroad once you have your file number.

 

[Foster]

I just actually spoke to a friend of mine who said that a ticket was not enough to prove she was coming back. She was asked for more proof so she had her parents write up a letter along with other family members to prove she was coming back. In the letter from her parents, they simply stated that they had arrangements to have their daughter and her husband to stay with them when they arrive in Canada. She also got her employer to write a letter stating her intended first day back at work.