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Physical Presence days count if im accompanying my Canadian citizen child abroad for education of 2 months?

UKinCanada

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Hi. I have PR, and whilst residing in Canada, my Canadian born daughter needed to go to UK for a 2 month education/internship. She was 18. I read somewhere that if i accompany her (a full time student under 19) then my days abroad with her would count towards my Physical Presence days. But i simply cant find that info any more, on the govt websites. I need clarity plz.
Can any one shed more light on this plz?
 

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Hi. I have PR, and whilst residing in Canada, my Canadian born daughter needed to go to UK for a 2 month education/internship. She was 18. I read somewhere that if i accompany her (a full time student under 19) then my days abroad with her would count towards my Physical Presence days. But i simply cant find that info any more, on the govt websites. I need clarity plz.
Can any one shed more light on this plz?
No - they won't (either for PR or citizenship).
 

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Hi. I have PR, and whilst residing in Canada, my Canadian born daughter needed to go to UK for a 2 month education/internship. She was 18. I read somewhere that if i accompany her (a full time student under 19) then my days abroad with her would count towards my Physical Presence days. But i simply cant find that info any more, on the govt websites. I need clarity plz.
Can any one shed more light on this plz?
To add a bit more to my post above, what you probably read about is the rule that allows a PR spouse to count time outside of Canada if accompanying their Canadian citizen spouse. However this only applies to spouses accompaying spouses under specific circumstances. And the days can only be counted towards the PR residency requirement (not citizenship).

Anyway, in your case it doesn't count for either. This will simply count as time outside of Canada.
 
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UKinCanada

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But i Categorically read it b4. That if the child was in full time education and under 19, a PR parent could accompany her and days abroad WOULD be counted. I could not conjour up such a thought or phrase myself even if i wanted to!
 

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But i Categorically read it b4. That if the child was in full time education and under 19, a PR parent could accompany her and days abroad WOULD be counted. I could not conjour up such a thought or phrase myself even if i wanted to!
Unfortunately such a rule does not exist despite what you may believe you read.

I'm assuming you're asking about citizenship since you've posted in the citizenship section of the forum. Here's a link that describes the only scenarios where you are able to count time outside of Canada.

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=370&top=5
 
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UKinCanada

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Yes, ive read that link so many tines. Maybe it existed before and now since been removed?
There is no way we misread, as English is our mother tongue and we r all quite tech savvy and in corporate jobs. I sincerely appreciate your repkies, Thank you for taking the time.
Im just baffled as How or where we came across that info, and thus planned the educational trip accordingly.
Someone somewhere must also have read/heard of this in the past; if only to put my mind at rest.
 

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Yes, ive read that link so many tines. Maybe it existed before and now since been removed?
There is no way we misread, as English is our mother tongue and we r all quite tech savvy and in corporate jobs. I sincerely appreciate your repkies, Thank you for taking the time.
Im just baffled as How or where we came across that info, and thus planned the educational trip accordingly.
Someone somewhere must also have read/heard of this in the past; if only to put my mind at rest.
This rule certainly hasn't existed in the last 15 years.

If you want to try to chase down where you read this, look back over 15 years at historical rules from 2+ decades ago. Maybe there's something there. I can't comment on rules that far back.
 
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Yes, ive read that link so many tines. Maybe it existed before and now since been removed?
There is no way we misread, as English is our mother tongue and we r all quite tech savvy and in corporate jobs. I sincerely appreciate your repkies, Thank you for taking the time.
Im just baffled as How or where we came across that info, and thus planned the educational trip accordingly.
Someone somewhere must also have read/heard of this in the past; if only to put my mind at rest.
I’ve never ever come across anything about accompanying an underage dependent getting credited for physical presence, whether for PR or citizenship, in all my years poring through this forum and IRCC procedures.

Maybe you’re mixing up Canada with a different country’s rules.
 

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Yes, ive read that link so many tines. Maybe it existed before and now since been removed?
There is no way we misread, as English is our mother tongue and we r all quite tech savvy and in corporate jobs. I sincerely appreciate your repkies, Thank you for taking the time.
Im just baffled as How or where we came across that info, and thus planned the educational trip accordingly.
Someone somewhere must also have read/heard of this in the past; if only to put my mind at rest.
here is the link which you were looking , but it is for PR days. I am not aware of such rule for Citizenship. There will again be a rule book laid out for citizenship , but you need to find the exact law code to find it. Cheers.
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/resources/manuals/op/op10-eng.pdf
 

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Hi. I have PR, and whilst residing in Canada, my Canadian born daughter needed to go to UK for a 2 month education/internship. She was 18. I read somewhere that if i accompany her (a full time student under 19) then my days abroad with her would count towards my Physical Presence days. But i simply cant find that info any more, on the govt websites. I need clarity plz.
Can any one shed more light on this plz?
As others have commented, with due emphasis it warrants noting, there is no provision that gives a PR parent credit toward Residency Obligation compliance for time spent accompanying their Canadian citizen child abroad, let alone credit toward the actual physical presence requirement for a grant of citizenship.

And there has not been any such credit for . . . well, at the least, a very, very long time.

Longer Explanation If You Need It (otherwise skip):

Whatever source you recall reading, it is extremely unlikely that IRCC online information erroneously said there was such credit (again, there has been no such credit, so any information saying otherwise would necessarily be erroneous), even very briefly. Obviously, unfortunately, the likelihood of other sources erroneously stating such information is all too possible, perhaps probable; perhaps even in this forum (though that would typically have triggered strongly worded corrections).

In particular, while I cannot claim to have read every version of IRCC online information about what counts toward the grant citizenship presence requirement, so far as I am aware (noting that I have been watching residency and presence related stuff since many years before there was a physical presence requirement for citizenship) online IRCC information has never said a parent got RO credit for accompanying a Canadian citizen child, let alone credit toward meeting the citizenship physical presence requirement.

Meanwhile, I have read all the versions of the statutory provisions governing the physical presence requirement for citizenship, going back to the first version which took effect in June 2015, and FOR SURE the law itself has NOT provided any credit to a parent accompanying a citizen child. This is covered in Section 5 of the Citizenship Act. And all the versions of this are readily accessible at the Canada Justice Laws Website, so you can see this for yourself --
-- see current version, applicable 2017-10-10 to now here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-2.html#docCont
-- see version applicable 2017-06-19 to 2017-10-10 here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/section-5-20170619.html
-- see version applicable 2015-06-11 to 2017-06-18 here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/section-5-20150611.html#wb-cont
(Note: Prior to June 11, 2015 there was a "residency requirement" rather than a physical presence requirement.)

In the meantime . . . A minor child PR is entitled to credit toward RO compliance for days the child is abroad accompanying a Canadian citizen parent BUT NOT the other way around (no credit for parent accompanying Canadian citizen child abroad).

This has been the law since at least January 1, 2003. RO credit is prescribed by Section 28(2)(a) in IRPA (the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act).

The current version of this, the applicable version since March 31, 2005, is here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-5.html#h-274598

Over the years IRCC (before 2016 it was called CIC) online information has paraphrased the applications of the provisions governing RO credit for time abroad (including RO credit for PR-child accompanying a Citizen parent, and PR accompanying a Citizen spouse) in various ways. So far as I am aware (again noting that I have been watching RO related stuff for > 14 years) that information has never said a parent got RO credit for accompanying a Canadian citizen child . . . BUT the way it has sometimes been stated has often been misconstrued or misunderstood. So this forum occasionally sees not only questions about PR parents getting credit, but even occasionally this or that post asserting a parent gets credit . . . or, to be clear, ERRONEOUSLY asserting a parent can get credit for time abroad with a citizen child.