Parents and Grandparents Sponsorship 2023

[imacuser]

I chat with few friends of mine who work in the legal field about this. Technically, IRCC has already have it covered by using the simple phrase:

"By submitting the application, I <names if applicant>, to the best of my knowledge, am responsible for the contents and information that I provided..."

and the list go on and on...

So, anyone could "assume" they are qualified and would submit the EOI because in the end, there is nothing happen to them but getting rejected! Furthermore, if I recall correctly, any random person from any random country, if they know and have some time to waste, could submit the form! No ID check, No string attached!

How to sue?

This was extensively discussed in 2020, and in 2021 and in 2022.
IRCC issues more invitations than seats. This year they are issuing 24,200 invitations for 15,000 seats. So none of the ineligible people are wasting any seats.
I know this is hard to understand due to maths but issuing more invitations is simpler and cheaper and requires no work/verifications of any sort as in-eligible people are already accounted for by issuing 61% more invitations.
If you still cant understand this due to maths think of how people always loose money at the casinos. Hard to see but mathematics and probability works in casinos favor never the players.

 

[imacuser]

Answering my own question.

Year	Pool Size	Invitations	Chance of Invitation
2020	203,213 verified	13,400	6.59 %
2021	189,813 estimated	40,000	21.07 %
2022	155,313 verified	23,100	14.87 %
2023	132,213 estimated	24,200	18.30 %

For people who did not apply in 2020, looking at the above numbers IF system stays the same the current pool will finish in 2027 and new invitations will open again in 2028.

 

[canuck78]

I chat with few friends of mine who work in the legal field about this. Technically, IRCC has already have it covered by using the simple phrase:

"By submitting the application, I <names if applicant>, to the best of my knowledge, am responsible for the contents and information that I provided..."

and the list go on and on...

So, anyone could "assume" they are qualified and would submit the EOI because in the end, there is nothing happen to them but getting rejected! Furthermore, if I recall correctly, any random person from any random country, if they know and have some time to waste, could submit the form! No ID check, No string attached!

How to sue?

People applying for EOI when they don’t qualify is not grounds to sue. If people are getting accepted for PGP when they didn’t meet the requirements to apply in the first place then that would be grounds. For example if someone moved to Canada in 2019 and applied for EOI in 2020. If they got selected for PGP2022 they would have income that meets LICO for the past 3 years BUT they should not qualify because they had not met LICO for 2018-2020 in order to apply for EOI 2020. If your application didn’t get selected in the past few years and you were part of EOI2020 you could sue and say others are getting accepted that never qualified for EOI2020 because they hadn’t been in Canada long enough to have 3 years of income before 2020.

 

[canuck78]

For people who did not apply in 2020, looking at the above numbers IF system stays the same the current pool will finish in 2027 and new invitations will open again in 2028.

Canada needs to do a better job clarifying that parent sponsorship will not be possible for a very large number of applicants so people can make educated decisions on whether to immigrate.

 

[imacuser]

Canada needs to do a better job clarifying that parent sponsorship will not be possible for a very large number of applicants so people can make educated decisions on whether to immigrate.

If you consider all the issues new immigrants face, lower salaries, expensive housing, expensive cost of living you will realize that there attitude has always been GTFO and immigration still has insane demand

 

[canuck78]

If you consider all the issues new immigrants face, lower salaries, expensive housing, expensive cost of living you will realize that there attitude has always been GTFO and immigration still has insane demand

All Canadians are facing these issues not just immigrants. Many immigrants coming with wealth that many in Canada couldn’t imagine. There is a ton of variability when it comes to immigrants. There will be demand to immigrate to Canada for the foreseeable future. Climate change will only make Canada a more popular destination. What is more important is retaining immigrants and doing a better job matching immigrants to skills in demand not just accepting a crazy amount of immigrants. Not being able to sponsor parents and grandparents with access to public healthcare is actually common. Being able to sponsor parents and grandparents with access to public healthcare is unusual. Most of immigration isn’t altruistic. Canada has an ageing population with a declining birth rate and with significant pressures facing all services including healthcare. If you work in healthcare you are scarred about the future because many shortages will get worse. It would defeat the purpose to allow everyone to sponsor the parents and grandparents. I don’t agree that Canada’s attitude is GTFO and that not being able to sponsor your parents means GTFO. Certainly there is an anti-immigrant segment of the population that has gotten worse since Trump. Unfortunately many seems unaware that Canada needs immigrants and that in general immigrants add much more to Canada then they take. Many haven’t based their opinion off of data and many would not believe the data if you did provide it. Many in North America seem to be stuck with a worldview from 50+ years ago and have not had exposure to other countries. Immigrants also provide a ton of cultural diversity which makes Canada so much better. Unfortunately there are both Canadians by birth and immigrants that are bad apples and don’t represent the opinions and actions of most. They are often more vocal than others so people may think they represent the opinion of the majority.
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[babybenz]

If you consider all the issues new immigrants face, lower salaries, expensive housing, expensive cost of living you will realize that there attitude has always been GTFO and immigration still has insane demand

I don't think Canada is inviting poor or low-condition applicants to become PR. They are invited because of their talents and skills that Canadian companies and industries need. Also, the past newer generation of immigrants come with wealth or at least, the access to wealth that are exponentially larger than any existing working Canadians... Why would you, as an organization, invite someone lower than your current standard to join the community?

 

[babybenz]

This was extensively discussed in 2020, and in 2021 and in 2022.
IRCC issues more invitations than seats. This year they are issuing 24,200 invitations for 15,000 seats. So none of the ineligible people are wasting any seats.
I know this is hard to understand due to maths but issuing more invitations is simpler and cheaper and requires no work/verifications of any sort as in-eligible people are already accounted for by issuing 61% more invitations.
If you still cant understand this due to maths think of how people always loose money at the casinos. Hard to see but mathematics and probability works in casinos favor never the players.

Math-based only, in your context, IRCC should then have issued 100% more invitation of the target e.g. 30,000 invitation to get 15K application. Only at 100% rate, all ineligible shall be compensated for. At 61% more, there 39% of the disqualified are still not accounted for buddy!

 

[Aspiring Canadian]

I have a question. What if someone meets the income requirements (assuming they get invited) for the past three years BUT they lose their job before the application gets sent in. So basically current income

 

[steaky]

I have a question. What if someone meets the income requirements (assuming they get invited) for the past three years BUT they lose their job before the application gets sent in. So basically current income

It's okay as long as the sponsor(s) income continue to meet the requirement during the processing and before the applicant(s) becomes PR.

 

[babybenz]

I have a question. What if someone meets the income requirements (assuming they get invited) for the past three years BUT they lose their job before the application gets sent in. So basically current income

If you meet income requirement and application has been accepted, it is said that you must maintain the same amount of income during the processing of your application. IRCC may request for updated income or may not.
So technically, if you lost the job and the income drop to below the requried income while your application is being processed, you may be subjected to review

 

[canuck78]

Math-based only, in your context, IRCC should then have issued 100% more invitation of the target e.g. 30,000 invitation to get 15K application. Only at 100% rate, all ineligible shall be compensated for. At 61% more, there 39% of the disqualified are still not accounted for buddy!

Not sure how I follow that 30k applicants should have been invited to get at least 15k applicants. Believe that over 15k got accepted but 15k was the minimum target. Not sure the actual applications accepted per PGP year are published partially because some cases drag on for many years. Think all of us can agree that a better initial screening process would save a lot of time and money versus accepting accepting a certain amount of applicants expecting the around 60% will end up be accepted.

 

[canuck78]

I have a question. What if someone meets the income requirements (assuming they get invited) for the past three years BUT they lose their job before the application gets sent in. So basically current income

You would need to have met LICO since 2018 to have been part of the EOI from 2020. You must continue to meet LICO throughout the application process.

 

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[shimnui1]

There is an active thread for PGP 2023 already if you would like to post it there.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/parents-grandparents-program-pgp-2023.822196/page-40