paradox...

[ninakap30]

Reading the forum I noticed that Canada accepts proxy weddings...on the other hand people trying to collect all the possible evidence and proof they have that the weeding is genuine and again we cam.see refusal of genuicity...
How is possible that they accept a proxy wedding...?isn't this paradox?

 

[Rob_TO]

Reading the forum I noticed that Canada accepts proxy weddings...on the other hand people trying to collect all the possible evidence and proof they have that the weeding is genuine and again we cam.see refusal of genuicity...
How is possible that they accept a proxy wedding...?isn't this paradox?

You can't get married via proxy when one party is within Canada, since no provinces permit them.

However if a couple gets married by proxy from 2 jurisdictions outside of Canada, then as long as the proxy marriage was legal in each jurisdiction the marriage would be legal in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf
5.30. Recognition of a marriage
If a proxy marriage occurs at a foreign mission in Canada (the proxy is given by the foreign
national and the Canadian resident is present at the mission for the ceremony), the marriage must
meet the legal requirements of Canada (federal and provincial) in order to be legally valid. At this
time, no provinces permit proxy marriages; therefore, these marriages are invalid.

 

[sammystorm19]

Reading the forum I noticed that Canada accepts proxy weddings...on the other hand people trying to collect all the possible evidence and proof they have that the weeding is genuine and again we cam.see refusal of genuicity...
How is possible that they accept a proxy wedding...?isn't this paradox?

After reading many post from you I think IMO that you need to just relax and stop stressing about your application, how your wedding was and if CIC is going to think that your relationship is real or not. If you are questioning all of this then maybe you don't think it is yourself. If you are sure it is then just relax and let CIC do their job. If you have handed in all your proof, pictures, evidence and such...then everything will be okay. Stop Stressing out...this process is stressful enough as it is.

And by no means am I trying to sound harsh so please don't take it that way at all

 

[ninakap30]

After reading many post from you I think IMO that you need to just relax and stop stressing about your application, how your wedding was and if CIC is going to think that your relationship is real or not. If you are questioning all of this then maybe you don't think it is yourself. If you are sure it is then just relax and let CIC do their job. If you have handed in all your proof, pictures, evidence and such...then everything will be okay. Stop Stressing out...this process is stressful enough as it is.

And by no means am I trying to sound harsh so please don't take it that way at all

I can't say that I trust the way they judge and they take peoples life in their hands...if a case does not follow the normy this is too scrutinized
..they can make mistakes,can't they?for me I have I have a long past to my husband but in the same had I have many red flags too,just can't umdersand why for example if one person is educated meaning university and other high school why is this a red flag?why religion is a red flag?why language is a red flag?several times I have read they do not accept if a couple speaks different languages.
.personally I have learnt my husbands mother language,cause we live in his country...i don't know I think they refuse easily just because of red flags...

 

[sammystorm19]

I can't say that I trust the way they judge and they take peoples life in their hands...if a case does not follow the normy this is too scrutinized
..they can make mistakes,can't they?for me I have I have a long past to my husband but in the same had I have many red flags too,just can't umdersand why for example if one person is educated meaning university and other high school why is this a red flag?why religion is a red flag?why language is a red flag?several times I have read they do not accept if a couple speaks different languages.
.personally I have learnt my husbands mother language,cause we live in his country...i don't know I think they refuse easily just because of red flags...

Then why are you putting yourself through all this if you "think" you have so many red flags?? I don't get it. Just because you read that one thing happend to one couple doesn't mean it's going to happen to you. All couples are different and each case is different. If you continue to stress over this and THINK that you won't get through then it might happen. Just relax a little and let them work on your file.

 

[rhcohen2014]

,just can't umdersand why for example if one person is educated meaning university and other high school why is this a red flag?why religion is a red flag?

these are not necessarily red flags. i have a master's degree, my husband did not finish college. i work in the white collar world, he works in blue collar. i am jewish, my husband is catholic (non practicing). We did have a jewish wedding, and will be raising our kids jewish. I just received my notes, and there was absolutely NO mention of concern about any of this. the only thing that popped up about education was that they noted my highest level of education as bachelor's degree, not master's. no other mention about not having an equal education level.

as stated numerous times already, just because someone was rejected because of something, that doesn't mean it was the ONLY reason, nor do you know the true story as to why the rejection took place. also, what YOU consider a red flag is not necessarily considered a red flag by CIC.

 

[ninakap30]

these are not necessarily red flags. i have a master's degree, my husband did not finish college. i work in the white collar world, he works in blue collar. i am jewish, my husband is catholic (non practicing). We did have a jewish wedding, and will be raising our kids jewish. I just received my notes, and there was absolutely NO mention of concern about any of this. the only thing that popped up about education was that they noted my highest level of education as bachelor's degree, not master's. no other mention about not having an equal education level.

as stated numerous times already, just because someone was rejected because of something, that doesn't mean it was the ONLY reason, nor do you know the true story as to why the rejection took place. also, what YOU consider a red flag is not necessarily considered a red flag by CIC.

I think they put in microscope some people immediately just because of the nationality...f.e from turkey they are scrutinized more...if U are Greek U can pass the procedure much easier...i think they forget talking about my case that turkey is in development while Greek citizens at the moment suffer and they try to escape from Greece...i think they see people according to nationality..
Maybe that's why in some cases they are not like this strict...dont know,this is my personal sense maybe I am wrong...

 

[rhcohen2014]

I think they put in microscope some people immediately just because of the nationality...f.e from turkey they are scrutinized more...if U are Greek U can pass the procedure much easier...i think they forget talking about my case that turkey is in development while Greek citizens at the moment suffer and they try to escape from Greece...i think they see people according to nationality..
Maybe that's why in some cases they are not like this strict...dont know,this is my personal sense maybe I am wrong...

I THINK you need to stop thinking about it. you don't know what an immigration officer is going to THINK about ANYTHING, so stop assuming you do.

 

[innosense]

It's really a waste of time trying to understand how CIC works. I think we need to adjust our attitudes and have a backup plan if things don't go the way we want it to. My application too has loads of red flags, inter- religion marriage, parents did not attend wedding and parents don't approve the marriage. in fact if my visitor extension is denied, i dont have a place to go back to.
We had only 25 guests for our court marriage. We met in college and its been more than a decade now. we don't know how our application will be looked at. if they refuse our app because they don't think our relationship is genuine. I am going to be like what the hell, who are you to even judge our relationship. some guy who spends few hours looking at the papers I gave is deciding that my relationship is not genuine. the whole system sucks. we all submit our marriage certificates. i mean that should be enough. why so much scrutiny. if any fraud gets reported later , take the necessary steps.
whatever happens i will accept it as God's will and simply go back where we came from. it would be nice to be in canada. its not like we cannot survive anywhere else.

 

[scylla]

I think they put in microscope some people immediately just because of the nationality...f.e from turkey they are scrutinized more...if U are Greek U can pass the procedure much easier...i think they forget talking about my case that turkey is in development while Greek citizens at the moment suffer and they try to escape from Greece...i think they see people according to nationality..
Maybe that's why in some cases they are not like this strict...dont know,this is my personal sense maybe I am wrong...

Many of us have provided you with feedback in the past. AGAIN, you are worrying about the wrong thing. CIC is not going to question your relationship since you yourself live in Turkey. What CIC may question is whether you are really going to move to Canada once your husband's PR visa is approved. If you want to worry about anything - worry about this. You have never lived in Canada. So you will need to provide very strong evidence to demonstrate you will relocate once the visa is approved.

 

[ninakap30]

It's really a waste of time trying to understand how CIC works. I think we need to adjust our attitudes and have a backup plan if things don't go the way we want it to. My application too has loads of red flags, inter- religion marriage, parents did not attend wedding and parents don't approve the marriage. in fact if my visitor extension is denied, i dont have a place to go back to.
We had only 25 guests for our court marriage. We met in college and its been more than a decade now. we don't know how our application will be looked at. if they refuse our app because they don't think our relationship is genuine. I am going to be like what the hell, who are you to even judge our relationship. some guy who spends few hours looking at the papers I gave is deciding that my relationship is not genuine. the whole system sucks. we all submit our marriage certificates. i mean that should be enough. why so much scrutiny. if any fraud gets reported later , take the necessary steps.
whatever happens i will accept it as God's will and simply go back where we came from. it would be nice to be in canada. its not like we cannot survive anywhere else.

I totally agree with U..
.cic is consisted by people,they have feelings and caracter...some are not strict that much some just cause they have that "force", in their hands behave like they can do whatever they want..
We can't be sure they follow the right way of judging....of course Canada isn't the only place,and I can't understand too why they scrutinize before and they don't scrutinize what happens when U are in Canada!!!!they only they afraid the vo is using the welfare...really this is silly...we will go to the other side of the Atlantic ocean just to take a welfare of 600 cads?I am getting angry and dissapointed...my red flags?my family didn't want him..my mother...she is dead now. I don't have other family,my husband too...so we don't have family photos..so they will believe?we don't even have wedding photos...my wedding is 100%genuine I live in my hubbys country...2years...and they will tell me I am a lier ?if they say of course....dont know their systemnot too fair...

 

[ninakap30]

Many of us have provided you with feedback in the past. AGAIN, you are worrying about the wrong thing. CIC is not going to question your relationship since you yourself live in Turkey. What CIC may question is whether you are really going to move to Canada once your husband's PR visa is approved. If you want to worry about anything - worry about this. You have never lived in Canada. So you will need to provide very strong evidence to demonstrate you will relocate once the visa is approved.

i find this silly too...all this procedure is too painful and costs a lot of money...so I would never deal just for fun...but,as long as they want this I still work and trying to collect proof.as much as a human can make of course. I mean I have already included a letter of friend,while as I said I don't have family,that says we can stay with them till we get on foot...i have my cv in workpolis,when they mail me and I ask.for job offer all refuse it since I am not physically in Canada..
Normal,but I enclosed this too.yet I collect evidence like mailing with travel agencies etc in case that they want something more...and I can't rent a house via net while even we don't know if he will be approved and when....i can't and I don't want yo go alone there and wait all this procedure alone...they only way they get convinced is to see me there,something that willing cause problem in my wedding...really I don't want to put myself in that dilemmas..

 

[ninakap30]

You can't get married via proxy when one party is within Canada, since no provinces permit them.

However if a couple gets married by proxy from 2 jurisdictions outside of Canada, then as long as the proxy marriage was legal in each jurisdiction the marriage would be legal in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf
5.30. Recognition of a marriage
If a proxy marriage occurs at a foreign mission in Canada (the proxy is given by the foreign
national and the Canadian resident is present at the mission for the ceremony), the marriage must
meet the legal requirements of Canada (federal and provincial) in order to be legally valid. At this
time, no provinces permit proxy marriages; therefore, these marriages are invalid.yes,I know this ,but I am quite sure that while Canada accepts that "kind"of wedding,who applies having proxy wedding will be refused...they make it too difficult even though U are.physically present,they will approve a wedding case like this?that's why I say is paradox...

 

[ninakap30]

I THINK you need to stop thinking about it. you don't know what an immigration officer is going to THINK about ANYTHING, so stop assuming you do.

thats what makes me worried...one person according to his\her mood will influence negatively or positively my future....i have already mentioned my history does not follow the normy,that's why I am worried...