Options for Fiance to Canada

[Phil-Canada]

I Understand your point. However I have been married befor and dated that woman for 2 years befor marrying her. 6 months after I learned what a mistake that was.
Another Woman I was with for 7 years I thought I knew her then she showed her true colors and tried to stab me with a burcher knife apparantly I find out after ther fact she was bipolar. So I dont believe that you can know anyone that well in a few meetings to know for sure how that relationship will work. It is a gamble however you look at it.

I am prepared to take that gamble and thats why I am looking in the Philippines and have found someone to love.
We talk every day on Skype granted thats not the same as living with each other.

 

[truesmile]

Further to the suggested 'at least go and meet her first', I would even suggest that you both agree NOT to talk about marriage on your first visit there. You both know that if it works then that is the inevitable, but take the time together and enjoy it. Come back and take time to reflect on everything.

 

[Sweden]

You can try for a visitor's visa for her. The cost is $75 that you won't get back, but you will know within a few weeks if she is approved or denied. For god's sake don't buy her a store or an internet cafe especially if you haven't met her yet. I hope you haven't been talking about that with her ??? As many horror stories of scammers in the Philippines, there are plenty of lovely people, and you have to be sure you've got yourself a genuine catch.. follow your heart.
Go to the Philippines and visit her. Meet her family, get a sense of her values, take her to Boracay. Me and Sweden can hold down your store until you come back 8) Marriage is your best option, but don't rush in too quickly or it will be scrutinized.

Agreed! Steph C and I can mane the store while you're away!

 

[Steph C]

I Understand your point. However I have been married befor and dated that woman for 2 years befor marrying her. 6 months after I learned what a mistake that was.
Another Woman I was with for 7 years I thought I knew her then she showed her true colors and tried to stab me with a burcher knife apparantly I find out after ther fact she was bipolar. So I dont believe that you can know anyone that well in a few meetings to know for sure how that relationship will work. It is a gamble however you look at it.

I am prepared to take that gamble and thats why I am looking in the Philippines and have found someone to love.
We talk every day on Skype granted thats not the same as living with each other.

I understand! I think it's very important in life to take gambles for love. If you're determined to marry her on the first trip, make it a long trip so you can log some time together and it doesn't look too rushed. Do try first for a visitor's visa, although chances are slim if she's not from a wealthier background.

 

[darwinwap]

An unemployed single filipina applying for a canadian tourist visa would get a very slim chance to get approval , Your only option is to visit her and see if you love her enough to marry her there and then apply sponsorship when you get back to Canada. It may take about a year before she can come here. Take as many proofs as you can (wedding photos, outings, trips ,call logs, emails, letters etc.) If you're not comfortable with arranging forms and documents get a lawyer, it won't speed up the process but he will know what to do. Conjugal really wont work because you can marry her in the Philippines. If you like the warm weather , beaches etc then maybe you should move to the Philippines.

 

[steerpike]

You might want to look at getting her a student visa, so she can study english in canada. Having good english will really help her a lot, and she can see what Canada is like. You guys can get to know each other, and then after living together for a while decide if you want to take the next step. Im not sure but i think she can also study english for 6 months on a visitor visa if the student visa is too difficult to get.

The other way is to go to phillipines and marry her and apply outland. Yes it means being apart for a year or so, but that's how it goes. Im not at all sure how the immigration people will view a relationship where you havent spent more than a few weeks together "in person". Im not sure if they are likely to reject that kind of thing or if they are open to that. On the otherhand, they do approve arranged marriages where the couple has never talked or met in person at all, so I dont see how yours would be any worse than that.

 

[Steph C]

Just take a read through this case (that won in appeal) so you can see that quick marriage in person after meeting online will be flagged as a marriage of convenience. Age gaps don't help. You need to spend as much quality time together as you can, and build a relationship if you don't want to be refused and have to wait 2 years for appeal.

http://canlii.ca/en/ca/irb/doc/2011/2011canlii95623/2011canlii95623.html

 

[Steph C]

another one, that won in appeal

http://canlii.ca/en/ca/irb/doc/2011/2011canlii95622/2011canlii95622.html

 

[steerpike]

another one, that won in appeal

http://canlii.ca/en/ca/irb/doc/2011/2011canlii95622/2011canlii95622.html

Wow... so they pretty much approve everything in appeal.

 

[Rob_TO]

Wow... so they pretty much approve everything in appeal.

I think during the 2 years waiting for appeal trial, more evidence is collected that adds legitimacy to the relationship.

So by the time it gets to trial, the judge is now looking at making a decision on say a 3 year relationship instead of the 1 year relationship the original VO rejected.

You would probably see more appeals denied if they happened within a few days after the VO's rejection.

 

[Luckyman]

No kidding...wow, I hope I don't have problems

My short story.....

Met my wife online the beginning of April, talked every day, and started Skype near end of April...After 3 Skype calls we declared we thought we were falling in love with each other. Of course at this time, I had to take measures to ensure the feelings were true by planning a trip to meet her and her family. So we continued talking until my departure on June 24 for 2 week visit.......I met her family, friends, and was honestly blown away by everything about her....at the end of the trip I asked her to marry me before I returned home at the Taal Vista hotel.

At this point I wasn't officially divorced by Canadian law, although I was separated from my X, I had no reason to make divorce official....until then. I then proceeded to complete the required paperwork and file, and in the meantime, my then fiance and myself were having issues being apart....I tried for a visit visa for her but was declined. At this point I (we) were either facing a 2 week holiday once a year, or drastic measures. I opted for drastic measures and planned to move to Phil late October.

Upon arrival we planned to get married by civil ceremony first so we wouldn't be living in sin together while we planned our catholic wedding. Instead of Manila, we flew to Seychelles for civil ceremony (Filipino visa on arrival) which was a gorgeous place, and got married Nov. 25....then lived together until catholic ceremony June 26 the following year (one year after meeting in person).

We then went to Palawan, Bohol, Boracay for a approx. month honeymoon before I returned home to file our application with CIC...(note that our application was returned once due to form revision numbers).

Anyway, we both knew the plan was always for me to return home as I couldn't be away from my daughter for too long....it was hard enough at first, but as a parent, you can see the value in sacrifice for the greater good, and living together and growing our marriage was crucial for us before I could physically introduce my wife to my daughter, however, we talked on skype all the time, and I think my daughter actually kind of understood even though she was 3 at the time...hard to explain how I knew.

That's my short story, and now we're coming up on our 2 years anniversary of meeting....so in short, I think the average rules of dating then marriage are completely thrown out the window when starting something with someone over seas....we knew it would be a long journey.....would things have been different if she were here...yep....but that's how we did it because we knew of the journey it would be.

Cheers!

 

[canadianwoman]

You've been living with her for more than a year, so really the application should not have any problems. The visa officers know lots of people meet on the internet now, and will accept that.
But suppose you had just talked on the phone or Skype for a few months, then you went there and got married, then went back home and sponsored her. Then the visa officer is going to have concerns.

 

[Phil-Canada]

I think at this point we will try to apply for A Visitor Visa. The problem I see is going to be ties to the Philipines. She has no property or business there just family.

She would like to finish her University course in Phycology. If she were enroled in university would that sway imigration as to being ties to home country. She is 29 y/o

Thanks

 

[canadianwoman]

Proof of enrollment in school is good evidence she will return. Get her to actually enroll, and pay for classes that will start after her expected date of return. That will be more convincing.

 

[Phil-Canada]

Thank you so much .

Apart from her mom and Dad and 4 siblings and the enrolment in university. That would be her only ties to Philippines. In your experience would that be enough to satisfy Imigration.

I know there is no guarantee and its based on the individual officer.

Thanks in advance your help has been great.