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vinaymor01

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Apr 22, 2013
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Hi all

Guys, I am going for a Ontario Graduate Certificate program in september 2013. Though I am a good academic record, I could have even applied for an M.S or M.E program, but I didnt do that. Guys, I just want to know whether these certificate programs will be useful later in job perspectives ? Its high time for me to decide and apply.

Please guys, Help me to decide as I have applied for 4 colleges in Ontario and I have the offer letters from them at present.


Thanks
 

tiger007

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vinaymor01 said:
Hi all

Guys, I am going for a Ontario Graduate Certificate program in september 2013. Though I am a good academic record, I could have even applied for an M.S or M.E program, but I didnt do that. Guys, I just want to know whether these certificate programs will be useful later in job perspectives ? Its high time for me to decide and apply.

Please guys, Help me to decide as I have applied for 4 colleges in Ontario and I have the offer letters from them at present.


Thanks

Hi,

Honestly.. if you are eligible to apply for M.Eng and/or M.S programs at Canadian public universities... then by applying to Ontario graduate certificate programs, you are committing a big blunder. Ontario Graduate Certificate programs... are PG level certificate programs (most of them are in business), usually filled with desis and international students ..and is usually (not always) a shorter cut to gain entry into Canada, apply for PGWP and then try for PR.. by those who are usually not eligible for Master degree programs at Canadian universities.

Also, even if you are studying an engineering/technology related PG certificate/ Ontario Graduate Certificate in some Ontario based college, then remember the level of funding, infrastructure, research and learning opportunities, technological advancement/innovation... quality faculty will be not worth comparing to a Canadian public university and biggest of all you will be missing on the university faculties, alumni support and the Univ. brand name/ master degree on your resume... not to mention also missing out on some quality co-op programs... which will give you valuable Canadian work ex... Believe me.. all these... will make a big difference.

Although... it's really on an individual's capacity to succeed or fail after any given program..but it's just that... if you could enter a M.Eng/Ms program in university... you are simply in my eyes... wasting your time and money on a not so valuable certificate... and overall a bad move in long run for your career.

Canadian colleges are very good for skilled trade certificates/diplomas/apprenticeships and 2 year practical job oriented diplomas.

If you were ineligible for admission to any of the M.Eng/M.S programs at universities... then it would have been a different case, as you wouldn't have any other option to secure entry into Canada as a student.

So, take some time.. and even if late, try gaining admission to M.Eng/M.S programs at any of the Canadian public universities... it will be worth your time and money..not to mention chances of securing visa will also be higher... in-fact more reputed the university... the better it is.

Most Canadian universities need B grade or minimum 60% in final 2 years of B.tech degree for students from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria etc. and an IELTS score of 6.5 overall (with no bands less than 6)(some may require IELTS score of overall 7) for applying to engineering Master degrees. They DO NOT require GRE. Some, universities like the university of Manitoba, Memorial university consider min. 55% in final 2 years as equivalent to B grade. However, meeting just the minimum requirements does not guarantee admission. The higher your B.Tech scores are, more your chances of getting admission.

You can pursue a course based 1-1.5 years length M. Eng master degree (may be 2 years too with industrial co-op option) OR research oriented, thesis based 2 years long MaSc./Msc. degree. The research based degrees are usually much more competitive, where one generally needs to show some knack for research (like published papers) and selected students usually get partial or full funding.


You can see general rankings of Canadian universities to get an overall idea.. as to which universities are reputed.
For example: http://www.university-list.net/canada/rank/univ-7007.htm
www.4icu.org/ca/

You can consider applying to M.Eng programs OR Research based Master degrees in your field of study/ related fields in ANY of the recognized public universities across Canada... especially the mid level universities, or as per your academic record.

Here's the list of ALL recognized Canadian educational institutes eligible for OCWP+PGWP, listed according to province:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/institutions/participants.asp

You need to go through the university department websites, contact the university departments to know more such as course content, graduate degree options, deadlines, tuition fees, admission procedure etc. You will have to do the hard work to find the right type of programs of your desire and shortlist a list of say atleast 4-6 more universities, you may consider applying to.

The application submission date for Fall 2013 (Sept) start in most universities is already long over, and you should consider applying for 2014 Fall intake, , for which usually the last date can be anywhere between Nov 1 2013 (for research based programs) to Feb 1 2014 (for course based).

Hope, you got my point.

Rest up to you.


***All opinions expressed are purely personal, and pieces of information mentioned are to the best of my knowledge... You should consult other sources too.
 

vinaymor01

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Apr 22, 2013
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Thank you so much ..!!

I know that doing masters is always beneficial over these certificate programs...!! The session for this year is over(and I cant sit back at home doing nothing because I want to improve my industrial skills that I am lacking---The practical skills) and I cant apply to any university now(deadlines over)...!! So, my plan is to enter Canada taking up the certificate program and apply for M.E at the end of this year while pursuing the certificate program. Is this a wrong move ?? Please suggest me if I am doing wrong or If I cant go by this approach??

I have a degree in computers but I don't have enough technical skills to do a high paying job here in my country..!! I just want to get practical exposure at present to enter the industry with apt skills...!!

So, please tell me if I am going wrong with the present approach..!!


Thanks again :)
 

tiger007

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vinaymor01 said:
Thank you so much ..!!

I know that doing masters is always beneficial over these certificate programs...!! The session for this year is over(and I cant sit back at home doing nothing because I want to improve my industrial skills that I am lacking---The practical skills) and I cant apply to any university now(deadlines over)...!! So, my plan is to enter Canada taking up the certificate program and apply for M.E at the end of this year while pursuing the certificate program. Is this a wrong move ?? Please suggest me if I am doing wrong or If I cant go by this approach??

I have a degree in computers but I don't have enough technical skills to do a high paying job here in my country..!! I just want to get practical exposure at present to enter the industry with apt skills...!!

So, please tell me if I am going wrong with the present approach..!!


Thanks again :)
Hi,

Yes, you may join a PG certificate program related to your field of study... get visa.. pursue that course(instead of wasting time.. doing nothing)... and while studying that 1 year PG course in Canada... by Nov-Dc 2013.. apply for M.Eng/M.S programs in CS/related fields in various Canadian universities. But make sure you do a 1 year PG course (2 sem)... not longer. This way you can immediately move to M.eng/M.S programs in Canadian university starting Sept. 2014. Also, after pursuing 1 year PG certificate course (2 sem)+ just 1 year M.Eng degree, you will be eligible for a 3 years PGWP... when other peers with you passing out of a 1 year M.Eng will only be eligible for a 1 year PGWP. Yes, definitely you can follow this route.. provided you ready to spend money and be motivated enough to join a M.Eng course next year..and not back out form this plan.

Best of Luck.


***All opinions expressed are purely personal, and pieces of information mentioned are to the best of my knowledge... You should consult other sources too.
 

vinaymor01

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Apr 22, 2013
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Thanks a lot ..I ll stick to this plan..!! Well, I have this question in my mind that when i ll apply to these universities later this year than will they see my certificate programs grade or will they see my bachelors grade ? ::)

-->1 more thing i would like to ask, that is, about the colleges? I have applied in GBC,Humber,Seneca and Fleming. Can you please just give me an idea about these colleges, I would go for wireless networking program most probably (I have also applied for Database development , but I don't really have much knowledge in this field), So among these colleges, which one ll be the best as per the program? Please help me on this, because its so so confusing when you really don't know things in real that ll happen when you ll actually get into these courses..!! I have tried to find people related to these courses and colleges on facebook, but hardly anyone responded..!!

Thanks a lot for the great help ..!! :)
 

tiger007

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vinaymor01 said:
I have this question in my mind that when i ll apply to these universities later this year than will they see my certificate programs grade or will they see my bachelors grade ? ::)
Hi,

As I said... most Canadian universities need B grade or minimum 60% in final 2 years of B.tech degree for students from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria etc. and an IELTS score of 6.5 overall (with no bands less than 6)(some may require IELTS score of overall 7) for applying to engineering Master degrees. They DO NOT require GRE. The higher your B.tech scores are... more your chances of getting admission (as it is one of most important factors for getting admission to Master degree programs at Canadian universities). So, your selection will be primarily based on the marks of your B.Tech degree. The research based degrees (MaSc's) are usually much more competitive, where one generally needs to show some knack for research (like published papers) and selected students usually get partial or full funding. You will mention this 1 year PG certificate as an added qualification... an added Canadian certificate... on your resume.. will put more weight... particularly if it's related to your field of study - CS/related fields. Not to mention..you just need to do a 1 year M.Eng program after that..to be eligible for a 3 years PGWP, while others with you passing out from the 1 year M.Eng program will only be eligible for a 1 year PGWP. Saying this, doesn't mean that you should be aiming only for a 1 year M.Eng program...but you should also try your best for getting into M.S (research based program with funding) or a better M.Eng program with industrial co-op/internship option (very good for getting valuable Canadian work ex.... even if the M.Eng is longer than 1 year)... both will be a very good move for your career.

vinaymor01 said:
-->1 more thing i would like to ask, that is, about the colleges? I have applied in GBC,Humber,Seneca and Fleming. Can you please just give me an idea about these colleges, I would go for wireless networking program most probably (I have also applied for Database development , but I don't really have much knowledge in this field), So among these colleges, which one ll be the best as per the program? Please help me on this, because its so so confusing when you really don't know things in real that ll happen when you ll actually get into these courses..!! I have tried to find people related to these courses and colleges on facebook, but hardly anyone responded..!!
The question you are asking me is of technical nature. Had this been some generic management course, I could have honestly advised you... One of the reasons you won't find many discussing these PG cert. technical courses are..simple..as I mentioned..are that valued or pursued.. Most engineers prefer to do M. Eng/ MaSc. What I can tell you is... since you are a CS engineer... go through the "Course contents" of all these technical PG courses you shortlisted.. and compare the subjects/course contents..and see which might suit you best.. keeping in mind your CS engineering background and your long term goals to pursue Masters... You can do it best.... and you will know which subjects /branch (eg. Wireless networking or Database development) will be better for you..suit your profile more...If you have no idea about them.. Google them! You will eventually figure out the best course for you. And regarding colleges... although most are similar.. I've honestly no idea which technical course is better or worse.. but a college like GBC, right in the heart of Toronto city..is a reputed college.... but the again..course content matters.

Hope it helps.

Best of Luck.


***All opinions expressed are purely personal, and pieces of information mentioned are to the best of my knowledge... You should consult other sources too.
 

nssnick

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Apr 22, 2013
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1+1=3 years ? But according to CIC website, the PGWP cannot be longer than the program of your study, So how come 2 years lead to 3 year PGWP, I mean is that 100% guranteed?
 

nssnick

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Apr 22, 2013
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Or in some cases people also get 1+1 = 2 --> 2 years :-X

I have also heard that 1 + 1 = 2 different programs and the embassy considers the latest one and gives you only 1 year PGWP.



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All the questions asked are purely based on "what I have heard from people around---Tiger SIR your suggestions needed on this because even I am not sure about this"
 

vinaymor01

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Apr 22, 2013
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So, GBC is the best ..!!

What about Fleming which is in Peterborough? Have you ever heard of it? Anyone else who has been to that place in terms of college faculty and part time opportunities?
 

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Part-time job is not easily available in Peterborough because it's a small town with limited employer. But Fleming is a nice college.

Good Luck.
 

Lejin

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Hi tiger,
Im in a similar situation. I hope you give me some good practical advice based on my circumstances too. I had a similar understanding as you regarding the value of university degrees compared to certificate programs, but due to my financial limitations, I had to opt for a single year certificate program. let me brief you my profile(hope you dont kick me if its good :p )

10th - 92.4% - CBSE
12th - 95.6% - CBSE
B.tech - 76.4 % with honours - Electronics & Communication
IELTS - 8.5 (L-9, R-8.5, S-8, W-7.5)
Experience - 1.8 years in Automotive field (Development) (M&M)


Right now - Coming for May Intake of Project Management in Centennial. Not to mention that my work profile was one with lots of exposure and opportunities to grow. Like I highlighted, the main reason I limited myself to a cert prog now was the limit on the amount of loan i could get for my fees. I could not figure out anyway/ any scholarships which could get me in on a lesser pay. I have full fervor and willingness to take up a masters in a university even after completion of this cert prog, but hopefully on scholarships. (I do not want to put further pressure on my parents for the finances)
please advice me and guide me in the right direction as Im very apprehensive about the risk that Im taking on this career move.
 

vinaymor01

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Lejin , I am in the similar case, Its very difficult to leave a settled life back at your place, I know that feeling, really... :(
 

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Lejin said:
Hi tiger,
Im in a similar situation. I hope you give me some good practical advice based on my circumstances too. I had a similar understanding as you regarding the value of university degrees compared to certificate programs, but due to my financial limitations, I had to opt for a single year certificate program. let me brief you my profile(hope you dont kick me if its good :p )

10th - 92.4% - CBSE
12th - 95.6% - CBSE
B.tech - 76.4 % with honours - Electronics & Communication
IELTS - 8.5 (L-9, R-8.5, S-8, W-7.5)
Experience - 1.8 years in Automotive field (Development) (M&M)


Right now - Coming for May Intake of Project Management in Centennial. Not to mention that my work profile was one with lots of exposure and opportunities to grow. Like I highlighted, the main reason I limited myself to a cert prog now was the limit on the amount of loan i could get for my fees. I could not figure out anyway/ any scholarships which could get me in on a lesser pay. I have full fervor and willingness to take up a masters in a university even after completion of this cert prog, but hopefully on scholarships. (I do not want to put further pressure on my parents for the finances)
please advice me and guide me in the right direction as Im very apprehensive about the risk that Im taking on this career move.
Hi,

Quite impressive grades. Project management is not a bad course. It is high in demand. You just need to do research about the job you're looking for in Canada. Many jobs can be acquired by various online courses. Like CGA, CFA and CFP. And they are high in demand. So just find a similar course to your field. And enjoy high paying job :D

Good Luck.
 

vinaymor01

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To Aman

Can you please elaborate on fleming college? I mean I can go to GBC which is in the heart of Toronto or Fleming in Peterborough? As everyone does, one has to do a part time job in order to support yourself for daily living, So is it going to be that difficult to find a part time work over there for an average guy? Or I shouldn't take any chances and go to Toronto if its that serious...Please bro just put some more light on this.
 

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In my opinion, If you're coming to study in Ontario, Then there is no worth to stay in small town.
Better stay in Big cities like Toronto. So that you can earn for living and explore the new world.

Good Luck.