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skroncan

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Asivad Anac said:
Funds in the bank are the only guaranteed success as POF. And that is an ironclad guarantee because CIC explicitly says so.

My recommendation would be to figure out how to get those 10L INR into your bank account(s) and maybe put them in a deposit or something if you're upset about the money not making more money and just lying around getting devalued on account of inflation. And keep it there till you get your PR.


1a) What is definitive is to meet LICO entirely through bank accounts and what is doubtful is to meet it through investments even if its transfer-ability is guaranteed. OK understood. Now, if we see OOPNP application form under section J Application checklist in subsection V Settlement Funds it asks for Evidence of savings balance should we assume that it is again referred to savings in a bank account and not in any financial institution such as EPFO (employee provident fund organization)?

1b) Also, when you say to put all the amount in a deposit and hold it till PR do you mean that OOPNP or CIC only wants to see the funds from the date of submission of application to date of stamping? Aren't they bothered about the six-month previous statement of account?

1c) The reason I am asking this is that I have transferred today all the funds from different banks to one single bank to avoid the overhead of going to each bank and explain each of them what I want. So, if OOPNP asks for the six-month old statement they will sure catch that all the funds have been transferred recently. How to explain that they are transferred from my other accounts and through surrender of an investment.

1d) Also, a new fixed deposit in the name of my accompanying spouse is a recent one. What is more important, old status of an account or holding of minimum funds till PR?


If you reach 67/100 without that experience, all that effort isn't worth getting those 2 additional points which will add nothing to your application.

Don't you think that FSWP points might be a tie-breaker seeing the 2700 slots sought after by 100x or 1000x applicants?

Exactly what the Application Guide states on Pg 14.
Provide a copy of your birth certificate or an acceptable national document where an original birth certificate is not available (i.e., letter from appropriate government authority indicating why your birth certificate is not available).


Acceptable national document is of course passport or may be high school certificate but what is this "letter from appropriate government authority" citing reasons for unavailability of a birth certificate? Any ideas, which is this authority and what should it write as a reason and where to approach this authority, place where I was born or place where I am living for past one year??? Studied in three different countries and all of them happily accepted passport in lieu of birth certificate. Highly confused, what to do???
 

optimist28

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Hi Guys,
I am new here. Can someone tell if there is a minimum wage requirement for OOPNP, CEC applicant. I worked for a company for 13 months and I was being paid minimum wage for 4 months for probationary period then I got raise. Can I count that 4 months?
I appreciate if someone helps
 

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1a) What is definitive is to meet LICO entirely through bank accounts and what is doubtful is to meet it through investments even if its transfer-ability is guaranteed. OK understood. Now, if we see OOPNP application form under section J Application checklist in subsection V Settlement Funds it asks for Evidence of savings balance should we assume that it is again referred to savings in a bank account and not in any financial institution such as EPFO (employee provident fund organization)?

OOPNP specifically asks for bank funds ONLY. No options there.

1b) Also, when you say to put all the amount in a deposit and hold it till PR do you mean that OOPNP or CIC only wants to see the funds from the date of submission of application to date of stamping? Aren't they bothered about the six-month previous statement of account?

The 6 month statement of account is a requirement purely to ensure that the funds are unencumbered. Any unexplained large credits in those 6 months would be a possible indication of borrowed funds and CIC might ask for an explanation. As long as you can convince CIC about the unencumbered nature of your POF, things are fine.

1c) The reason I am asking this is that I have transferred today all the funds from different banks to one single bank to avoid the overhead of going to each bank and explain each of them what I want. So, if OOPNP asks for the six-month old statement they will sure catch that all the funds have been transferred recently. How to explain that they are transferred from my other accounts and through surrender of an investment.

Use a Letter of Explanation. Add documentation support to prove that all the bank accounts belong to you and you've simply transferred money to one account for process simplicity.

1d) Also, a new fixed deposit in the name of my accompanying spouse is a recent one. What is more important, old status of an account or holding of minimum funds till PR?

What is important is to convince CIC that you have the required funds and that they aren't borrowed. And holding onto the funds throughout the process. Period.

If you reach 67/100 without that experience, all that effort isn't worth getting those 2 additional points which will add nothing to your application.

Don't you think that FSWP points might be a tie-breaker seeing the 2700 slots sought after by 100x or 1000x applicants?

OOPNP has't explicitly mentioned what is the selection criteria after you send in your application. It appears to be an FCFS scheme though because they sent out PTs for a few weeks in June and started processing files as they were received.

Exactly what the Application Guide states on Pg 14.
Provide a copy of your birth certificate or an acceptable national document where an original birth certificate is not available (i.e., letter from appropriate government authority indicating why your birth certificate is not available).

Acceptable national document is of course passport or may be high school certificate but what is this "letter from appropriate government authority" citing reasons for unavailability of a birth certificate? Any ideas, which is this authority and what should it write as a reason and where to approach this authority, place where I was born or place where I am living for past one year??? Studied in three different countries and all of them happily accepted passport in lieu of birth certificate. Highly confused, what to do???

Try sending in your passport with a note explaining that you don't have a birth certificate. This is a OOPNP requirement - CIC waives off the birth certificate requirement and accepts Passport as the identity document.
 

skroncan

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Asivad Anac said:
The 6 month statement of account is a requirement purely to ensure that the funds are unencumbered. Any unexplained large credits in those 6 months would be a possible indication of borrowed funds and CIC might ask for an explanation. As long as you can convince CIC about the unencumbered nature of your POF, things are fine.

The bank certificate issued today says 16K and 37K average balance in the past 6 and 12 months respectively, and current balance is 6.5L. Is it alarming?

Out of 6.5L, 3.6L transferred from my other account for convenience (in bank statement, transaction shows my name and date of two days before), 1.8L came through longer route (initiated through MF redemption on my other account and then routed to this bank; have all statements of MF redemption), and 1.1L from my salary (monthly deductions begin soon in the form of EMI and CC charges!). 3.5L will come from fixed deposits in the name of my spouse which are started very recently for a period of six months.
OOPNP/CIC want what to be above LICO, average balance in the past six months (don't have yet), current balance (met), or projected balance for six months (will surely meet)?


Use a Letter of Explanation. Add documentation support to prove that all the bank accounts belong to you and you've simply transferred money to one account for process simplicity.

The only documentation present is bank statements from different banks reflecting all transactions routed towards one account for which certificate has been issued. Is it OK?

What is important is to convince CIC that you have the required funds and that they aren't borrowed. And holding onto the funds throughout the process. Period.

Transactions routed from my other bank accounts to a single account are less doubtful than the newly created FDs (for six months) in the name of my spouse since can't track the source of funds. Don't you think so? I will sure hold the funds till stamping but how to convince?
Due to all this confusion I am pondering upon the thought to send well certified EPF certificate letter stating balance of 12L accumulated in the last four years UNTOUCHED. Any thoughts???


OOPNP has't explicitly mentioned what is the selection criteria after you send in your application. It appears to be an FCFS scheme though because they sent out PTs for a few weeks in June and started processing files as they were received.

Is there any way to see how many of them are already allotted like last year FSWP independent NOC quota as well as overall quota was published regularly on a website? But then it would probably defeat the underlying purpose for sending so many EOIs?

Try sending in your passport with a note explaining that you don't have a birth certificate. This is a OOPNP requirement - CIC waives off the birth certificate requirement and accepts Passport as the identity document.

Do you think that OOPNP guys will give a second chance to submit the birth certificate before rejecting the application solely because a certificate was not submitted for which proper explanations were provided?
BIG THX
 

optimist28

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Can someone help me with this question please !!!
Hi Guys,
I am new here. Can someone tell if there is a minimum wage requirement for OOPNP, CEC applicant. I worked for a company for 13 months and I was being paid minimum wage for 4 months for probationary period then I got raise. Can I count that 4 months?
I appreciate any comment
Thanks
 

Asivad Anac

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optimist28 said:
Can someone help me with this question please !!!
Hi Guys,
I am new here. Can someone tell if there is a minimum wage requirement for OOPNP, CEC applicant. I worked for a company for 13 months and I was being paid minimum wage for 4 months for probationary period then I got raise. Can I count that 4 months?
I appreciate any comment
Thanks
The eligibility criteria for CEC candidate applying to OOPNP is the same as EE.
CEC Candidates

If you choose to be assessed against Canadian Experience Class criteria in your application to the Ontario Human Capital Priorities Stream, OOPNP requires that you have a minimum of one year of cumulative and full-time employment (1,560 hours or more) or an equal amount in part-time paid work experience in a NOC 0, A, or B occupation in Canada in the past three years from the date of the PT Notification of Interest from Ontario. Self-employment and work experience gained while you were a full-time student (for example, on a co-op work term) does not count under this stream.

The full-time work experience requirement may be met by the equivalent in part-time, paid work experience (e.g., more than one part-time job held simultaneously or one or more part-time jobs held over the equivalent of at least one year of full-time work). For example, 15 hours/week for 24 months = 1 year full time (1,560 hours).
As you can see, the eligibility criteria makes no mention of salaries which indicates that there is no minimum wage requirement. They do ask you to submit supporting evidence while applying and that includes work reference letters (which has to mention salary & benefits) and pay stubs (if needed but not mandatory). But I imagine that is more to do with confirming the legitimacy of your work experience than to investigate wages.

All the best!
 

optimist28

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Asivad Anac said:
The eligibility criteria for CEC candidate applying to OOPNP is the same as EE.
As you can see, the eligibility criteria makes no mention of salaries which indicates that there is no minimum wage requirement. They do ask you to submit supporting evidence while applying and that includes work reference letters (which has to mention salary & benefits) and pay stubs (if needed but not mandatory). But I imagine that is more to do with confirming the legitimacy of your work experience than to investigate wages.

All the best!


Oh I was thinking the same too. Thank you very much Asivad Anac.
 

skroncan

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The 6 month statement of account is a requirement purely to ensure that the funds are unencumbered. Any unexplained large credits in those 6 months would be a possible indication of borrowed funds and CIC might ask for an explanation. As long as you can convince CIC about the unencumbered nature of your POF, things are fine.

The bank certificate issued today says 16K and 37K average balance in the past 6 and 12 months respectively, and current balance is 6.5L. Is it alarming?

Out of 6.5L, 3.6L transferred from my other account for convenience (in bank statement, transaction shows my name and date of two days before), 1.8L came through longer route (initiated through MF redemption on my other account and then routed to this bank; have all statements of MF redemption), and 1.1L from my salary (monthly deductions begin soon in the form of EMI and CC charges!). 3.5L will come from fixed deposits in the name of my spouse which are started very recently for a period of six months.
OOPNP/CIC want what to be above LICO, average balance in the past six months (don't have yet), current balance (met), or projected balance for six months (will surely meet)?


Use a Letter of Explanation. Add documentation support to prove that all the bank accounts belong to you and you've simply transferred money to one account for process simplicity.

The only documentation present is bank statements from different banks reflecting all transactions routed towards one account for which certificate has been issued. Is it OK?

What is important is to convince CIC that you have the required funds and that they aren't borrowed. And holding onto the funds throughout the process. Period.

Transactions routed from my other bank accounts to a single account are less doubtful than the newly created FDs (for six months) in the name of my spouse since can't track the source of funds. Don't you think so? I will sure hold the funds till stamping but how to convince?
Due to all this confusion I am pondering upon the thought to send well certified EPF certificate letter stating balance of 12L accumulated in the last four years UNTOUCHED. Any thoughts???

OOPNP has't explicitly mentioned what is the selection criteria after you send in your application. It appears to be an FCFS scheme though because they sent out PTs for a few weeks in June and started processing files as they were received.

Is there any way to see how many of them are already allotted like last year FSWP independent NOC quota as well as overall quota was published regularly on a website? But then it would probably defeat the underlying purpose for sending so many EOIs?

Try sending in your passport with a note explaining that you don't have a birth certificate. This is a OOPNP requirement - CIC waives off the birth certificate requirement and accepts Passport as the identity document.

Do you think that OOPNP guys will give a second chance to submit the birth certificate before rejecting the application solely because a certificate was not submitted for which proper explanations were provided?
 

Asivad Anac

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skroncan said:
The 6 month statement of account is a requirement purely to ensure that the funds are unencumbered. Any unexplained large credits in those 6 months would be a possible indication of borrowed funds and CIC might ask for an explanation. As long as you can convince CIC about the unencumbered nature of your POF, things are fine.

The bank certificate issued today says 16K and 37K average balance in the past 6 and 12 months respectively, and current balance is 6.5L. Is it alarming?

Of course, yes. And the onus is on you to prove that all of those are unencumbered funds.

Out of 6.5L, 3.6L transferred from my other account for convenience (in bank statement, transaction shows my name and date of two days before), 1.8L came through longer route (initiated through MF redemption on my other account and then routed to this bank; have all statements of MF redemption), and 1.1L from my salary (monthly deductions begin soon in the form of EMI and CC charges!). 3.5L will come from fixed deposits in the name of my spouse which are started very recently for a period of six months.
OOPNP/CIC want what to be above LICO, average balance in the past six months (don't have yet), current balance (met), or projected balance for six months (will surely meet)?


Current balance on the day you get the bank to make your POF certificate has to be north of LICO.

Use a Letter of Explanation. Add documentation support to prove that all the bank accounts belong to you and you've simply transferred money to one account for process simplicity.

The only documentation present is bank statements from different banks reflecting all transactions routed towards one account for which certificate has been issued. Is it OK?

Your LOE will have to highlight that all bank accounts are legitimately yours (or joint accounts with your spouse). And provide evidences for the claim.

What is important is to convince CIC that you have the required funds and that they aren't borrowed. And holding onto the funds throughout the process. Period.

Transactions routed from my other bank accounts to a single account are less doubtful than the newly created FDs (for six months) in the name of my spouse since can't track the source of funds. Don't you think so? I will sure hold the funds till stamping but how to convince?
Due to all this confusion I am pondering upon the thought to send well certified EPF certificate letter stating balance of 12L accumulated in the last four years UNTOUCHED. Any thoughts???


Certificate of holding a pension fund won't help. Liquidity of the assets is more important than quantity.

OOPNP has't explicitly mentioned what is the selection criteria after you send in your application. It appears to be an FCFS scheme though because they sent out PTs for a few weeks in June and started processing files as they were received.

Is there any way to see how many of them are already allotted like last year FSWP independent NOC quota as well as overall quota was published regularly on a website? But then it would probably defeat the underlying purpose for sending so many EOIs?

No. But it is possible to make unscientific guesses based on information available on this forum.

Try sending in your passport with a note explaining that you don't have a birth certificate. This is a OOPNP requirement - CIC waives off the birth certificate requirement and accepts Passport as the identity document.

Do you think that OOPNP guys will give a second chance to submit the birth certificate before rejecting the application solely because a certificate was not submitted for which proper explanations were provided?

No one 'knows' for sure. CIC has been trigger happy with rejections on the grounds of insufficient documents. Not sure if OOPNP is taking its cues from CIC on this front. However, if something wasn't provided and you did provide explanation for that along with other supporting documents (if applicable) they do take that into consideration.
 

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Asivad Anac said:
The 6 month statement of account is a requirement purely to ensure that the funds are unencumbered. Any unexplained large credits in those 6 months would be a possible indication of borrowed funds and CIC might ask for an explanation. As long as you can convince CIC about the unencumbered nature of your POF, things are fine.
Hi Asivad Anac! What i provided was a bank certificate stating my fixed saving accounts (in the same bank). There are altogether five accounts, which were created at different times, over the time between 2010 and 2014. The last saving account was created on September 2014, which was more than 6 months ago.

Is this considered "unencumbered" by them?
Thank you in advance. :)
 

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Miumiu said:
Hi Asivad Anac! What i provided was a bank certificate stating my fixed saving accounts (in the same bank). There are altogether five accounts, which were created at different times, over the time between 2010 and 2014. The last saving account was created on September 2014, which was more than 6 months ago.

Is this considered "unencumbered" by them?
Thank you in advance. :)
If all these accounts are in your name (and you have attempted to prove that to CIC via documents submitted along with POF), there shouldn't be a problem.
 

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I am interested to apply but while I'm checking it says:All applicants must have a Canadian Bachelor's, Master's or Ph.D. degree or an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) report produced by a designated organization indicating that your foreign education is the equivalent of a Canadian Bachelor's, Master's or Ph.D. degree. When I try to check for the FREE assessment of WES canada for my bachelor its says it is equivalent only to completion of secondary education and community college diploma(2 years) but for WES USA it says it is equivalent to Bachelor.

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Asivad Anac said:
If all these accounts are in your name (and you have attempted to prove that to CIC via documents submitted along with POF), there shouldn't be a problem.
Yes those are all in my name. The certificate has my name and my nation ID number, which correspond to the info provided on my birth certificate (certified copy) . Thank you for the reply!