One issue during citizenship interview

[SinghLovCan]

I don't understand why you would be putting in bold letters Pay Your Bills!! Does it worry you that much that someone might leave a bill unpaid?

In Kuwait if you don't pay phone bills, traffic fines..then you are not let out of the airport. There is a travel ban in Kuwait. So its important you pay them.

 

[SinghLovCan]

I don't understand why you would be putting in bold letters Pay Your Bills!! Does it worry you that much that someone might leave a bill unpaid?

In Kuwait if you don't pay phone bills, traffic fines..then you are not let out of the airport. There is a travel ban in Kuwait. So its important you pay them.

 

[poushi24]

I don't disagree with you, but your obliged to pay your phone bills, traffic fines, rent in the Kuwait. If you don't pay this money then they don't let you out of the airport. I don't know about Saudi or UAE, but in Kuwait no one takes huge loans and default.

Yes, maybe you are not aware of Bill C-43, if you are convicted abroad, they can give you inadmissible hearing in Canada. Just check it out, its a new bill the conservative government passed.

Only if you are convicted in criminal offense not civil offense.

 

[on-hold]

Well, since we agree on the basic principle, I won't argue -- how does Kuwait check that stuff? I remember reading an article a few months back about how European expatriates (who probably can get away with a bit more) who lost their jobs in Dubai were abandoning their cars in the airport parking lot, because there was no way to get rid of the lease/mortgage.

My father-in-law drove a dumptruck for a Saudi construction company for 11 years -- he was one of the lucky ones, he got there and his job existed and he got to extend it and he saved enough money that he went back to his village and did well -- but the village where he lives is filled with people who lost everything, or were forced to work 24 hours a day until they went crazy, or were fed amphetamines and had their health destroyed, etc. etc. Working abroad is no joke, when you've got no money and you're somewhere that people don't even recognize you as human.

P.S. If I was snippy, I apologize -- I had no idea that a clean slate on small things like that was necessary to escape from the place.

 

[SinghLovCan]

Only if you are convicted in criminal offense not civil offense.

I am not sure about how the difference between the two are judged, but what I know is that you are accountable for your actions abroad.. so lets say this guy didn't pay his bills then that might be seen as a criminal offence in the host country and the same rule might apply to that person in Canada.

 

[May2014]

Dear friends,

I am in the process of moving to Canada for goods. I am working in Saudi Arabia and have recently moved my family, who travelled on exit / re entry visa. Now if they don't come back to Saudi (which most likely they are not going to do) within a specified time for which visa is issued, their visa will automatically cancelled. I shall also be joining them in March'15, but I will leave Saudi on proper exit visa. My question is .... Can my family's move ( going on exit re entry and not on proper exit visa and then not coming back to Saudi) be questioned at the time of citizenship interview !

Why I am asking this is that recently my friend's wife ( they had moved from UAE and his wife also went the way my family did, meaning not on exit visa but on exit / re entry visa) has been denied citizenship for this reason. She has been asked to produce a card from UAE (probably who leave UAE on exit get a card) and she has to re appear for interview now with that card. Now my friend is trying to get this card from UAE.

Please share your experience if anyone's family from Saudi has moved the way mine did.

Hi there
Since you are still in Saudi ... Do the maximum you can do to avoid any suspicion by cic
Get visa cancellation proof
Get entry / exit proof ... For all of you
Believe me better safe than sorry and once y leave Saudi it will be difficult to get such documents !!!
Cic revises each and every stamp .. And if ur wife is not working .. Proof of residence is hard already
Gdluck

 

[SinghLovCan]

Well, since we agree on the basic principle, I won't argue -- how does Kuwait check that stuff? I remember reading an article a few months back about how European expatriates (who probably can get away with a bit more) who lost their jobs in Dubai were abandoning their cars in the airport parking lot, because there was no way to get rid of the lease/mortgage.

I think I have been lucky to a certain extent and may not be able to understand the problems of certain expats, bcoz I had extended family in Kuwait who were well established and financially well-off. I was educated in the US/Europe and couldn't tolerate anyone keeping my passport, yelling at me, humiliating me. Most expats take all that crap without any problems.

As for Kuwait checking stuff. Firstly, In Kuwait its not easy to get a credit card above 300 dollar limit and you have to fill up your credit card first and then use it, so its not really a credit card.. but they developed that system so that people could purchase stuff online. Loans are not easily taken and in Kuwait you cannot buy property. So defaulting in Kuwait is near impossible. There are no expatriate defaulters in Kuwait. Maybe very less.

Secondly, if you have unpaid phone bills for instance.... it is recorded in the ministry. When you leave at the airport, they check if you have any unpaid dues. If you do, they put a travel ban on you and ask you to pay all the dues at a counter at the airport. Once you pay that .. you are a free bird to go.

 

[SinghLovCan]

I remember reading an article a few months back about how European expatriates (who probably can get away with a bit more) who lost their jobs in Dubai were abandoning their cars in the airport parking lot, because there was no way to get rid of the lease/mortgage.

This happened in UAE. This happened during the recession, when people had taken huge car loans, other loans, accumulated credit card bills. When recession happened, DUBAI WAS HARD HIT. Thousands of workers lost their jobs, many Europeans parked their cars, left their belongings and escaped out of the country. Some workers who couldn't get their passports were stuck there and could not escape, they had no food to eat, no salary , slum living condition. Dubai puts defaulters in Jail. Many ppl did end up in Jail.

 

[Hasni]

Hi there
Since you are still in Saudi ... Do the maximum you can do to avoid any suspicion by cic
Get visa cancellation proof
Get entry / exit proof ... For all of you
Believe me better safe than sorry and once y leave Saudi it will be difficult to get such documents !!!
Cic revises each and every stamp .. And if ur wife is not working .. Proof of residence is hard already
Gdluck

what you said is right, but my family is already in canad. Just wanted to know from someone who had undone such a scenario, if it can create any issue later. Their visa will automatically become void once their exit / reentry period is passed or if I go on exit before that time. Also please note that this exit reentry visa is just a printout and not a kinda stamp on the passport.

 

[May2014]

My only advice is don't leave any for questions , if they even don't see the visa , there might be a stamp going in or out that you have to explain .. Get that entry exit report covering all 4 yrs or 3 from landing because that what they ask for these days ... Your mere presence in Saudi and yr wife in canada is a common situation they know about but also they translate it that no strong ties hv been present for yr wife ... Again since y r already in Saudi do wht u can .. These reports wether cancellation documents or entry exit reports are impossible to get after y leave ... No iqama!!! They are not aware of any gulf area rules about visa validity , iqama 6 months allowance etc etc .. Take the safe side
Gdluck

 

[Hasni]

I have dug more into my friend's wife citizenship refusal. They all landed together from UAE but my friend's wife visa was still open. My friend left for UAE soon after landing while his wife stayed in Canada for almost one year after which my friend also joined them. Now CIC asked my friend's wife to bring some proof from UAE that during this one year while her visa was open, she never travelled to UAE to meet her husband. I am bit surprised over it cuz even if she left, immigration record should show her in and out from Canada. But the open visa was the real problem that put CIC into suspicion.
Still looking for someone from Saudi who landed with open visa and had to face such issues later or they just got away with it.

 

[blueshirt]

Hasni whats the current situatiin of your friends wife citizenship.
Did she get RQ or just this additional documents.

I have dug more into my friend's wife citizenship refusal. They all landed together from UAE but my friend's wife visa was still open. My friend left for UAE soon after landing while his wife stayed in Canada for almost one year after which my friend also joined them. Now CIC asked my friend's wife to bring some proof from UAE that during this one year while her visa was open, she never travelled to UAE to meet her husband. I am bit surprised over it cuz even if she left, immigration record should show her in and out from Canada. But the open visa was the real problem that put CIC into suspicion.
Still looking for someone from Saudi who landed with open visa and had to face such issues later or they just got away with it.

 

[newcomer]

I have dug more into my friend's wife citizenship refusal. They all landed together from UAE but my friend's wife visa was still open. My friend left for UAE soon after landing while his wife stayed in Canada for almost one year after which my friend also joined them. Now CIC asked my friend's wife to bring some proof from UAE that during this one year while her visa was open, she never travelled to UAE to meet her husband. I am bit surprised over it cuz even if she left, immigration record should show her in and out from Canada. But the open visa was the real problem that put CIC into suspicion.
Still looking for someone from Saudi who landed with open visa and had to face such issues later or they just got away with it.

As I said earlier , just try to play safe (especially you are lucky that you are still in Saudi ) and dont leave things at the discretion of the officer at the time of test . Get a proof from jawazat/MOI that your family's visa has been cancelled . This might save you from lot of problems in future !

Good luck .

 

[Hasni]

As I said earlier , just try to play safe (especially you are lucky that you are still in Saudi ) and dont leave things at the discretion of the officer at the time of test . Get a proof from jawazat/MOI that your family's visa has been cancelled . This might save you from lot of problems in future !

Good luck .

I will try for it.
Blueshirt, I guess no RQ, just to provide this card.

 

[skhan123]

Hi Hasni/others,

Does anyone know how to get exit/entry report from Saudi if you already left the country? I have final exit visa papers with me. Would that be enough or need to get further MOI/Jawazat report?