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October 11th 2017 - Citizenship Applicants under 3/5 rule

upandgoing

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Mar 9, 2018
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Hello...Need some help filling out the form for my employment and study history....how do I mention my work and study history in question 11 and i studied in between while I was working at the same time...

Working at XYZ from Nov 2016-current

Studied an online course from Jan 2017-Aug 2017
Worked at ABC from July 2016- Nov 2016
before that I was a homemaker...

Please can anyone help me on which one to write first as i was studying an online course from sheridan between Jan 2017-Aug 2017...and does online studying also counts towards checking the "i was in school" option.

Help appreciated. Thanks
 

btbt

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Feb 26, 2018
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Hello...Need some help filling out the form for my employment and study history....how do I mention my work and study history in question 11 and i studied in between while I was working at the same time...

Working at XYZ from Nov 2016-current

Studied an online course from Jan 2017-Aug 2017
Worked at ABC from July 2016- Nov 2016
before that I was a homemaker...

Please can anyone help me on which one to write first as i was studying an online course from sheridan between Jan 2017-Aug 2017...and does online studying also counts towards checking the "i was in school" option.

Help appreciated. Thanks
They worry about gaps, not about overlap.

Something like (chronological, by start date) would seem the most straightforward way of completing that table:

from whenever-June (or July, if it's not a end of month/beginning of next month thing) 2016 homemaker
july 2016-nov 2016 abc work
nov 2016-current xyz work
jan 2017-aug 2017 student at sheridan

And yeah, checking "student" (as well as any other categories that apply) is just fine. It's an accredited school, after all. There's plenty of people who work and study at the same time.
 

Atifaltaf

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Oct 5, 2017
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Yes they ask me on interview day
.I sent my citizenship application to CPC on March 7th 2018.I have been living in Canada since Nov 2014.After that I didn't left Canada .Now I have a confusion that
I did not send them police certificates for the time when I was in my own country.I didn't even mention the info (educational , job etc) of that period in my application.Will they send my citizenship application back to me or they will ask me for update the forms and police certificates? Our all police certificates and information before coming to Canada already laying with them then why they are asking us to send them again ?Can anyone help me in this regard ?
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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.I sent my citizenship application to CPC on March 7th 2018.I have been living in Canada since Nov 2014.After that I didn't left Canada .Now I have a confusion that
I did not send them police certificates for the time when I was in my own country.I didn't even mention the info (educational , job etc) of that period in my application.Will they send my citizenship application back to me or they will ask me for update the forms and police certificates? Our all police certificates and information before coming to Canada already laying with them then why they are asking us to send them again ?Can anyone help me in this regard ?
There are two reasons why IRCC will return a citizenship application:
-- the application is not complete
-- the application otherwise does not meet the requirements for processing a citizenship application

We, the public, are not informed as to the criteria employed for either of these, but between anecdotal reports from applicants who have had their application returned and what can otherwise be reasonably inferred (including, for example, from Regulation 2(1) in the Citizenship Regulations, No. 2 (this should link) which prescribes what must be included in an application for citizenship), we have some rough idea about many of the things which will pass this completeness check and which will not.

So far as we can discern, it is not as if the completeness check involves a review of the substantive content of the application to determine who should or should not submit a police certificate. For this, what matters is how the applicant responded to item 10.b. If the applicant checked "no" for item 10.b, that will pass the completeness check even if the applicant was in another country for a total of 183 or more days and did not include a police certificate. Of course, if the applicant actually was present in another country for a total of 183 or more days during the FOUR (4) years prior to applying, and checked "no" in response to item 10.b. (10-2017 version of the application), that is an untruthful response. And that could have implications later in the process, but it will pass the completeness check.

The reason why IRCC requires applicants to submit a police certificate if they have spent 183 or more days in another country during the preceding FOUR (4) years is this is the period of time prescribed by Section 22(3)(a) in the Citizenship Act (this should link), which provides that a criminal conviction in another country during the "four-year period immediately before the date of the person's application" prohibits eligibility for a grant of citizenship. So IRCC requires proof of no such conviction for any country in which the applicant has spent a significant period of time, which IRCC has administratively set as 183 or more days in total during that relevant time period. This has nothing to do with when the applicant came to Canada or with the presence requirement.

In any event, if you checked "no" in response to item 10.b (assuming you applied after October 11, 2017), the failure to include a police certificate will not result in your application being returned. What impact this might have later, if the "no" response was not an accurate response, is yet unclear. So far, anecdotal reports suggest the worst case scenario is some delay in processing due to IRCC later requesting the applicant to provide a police certificate (this typically happens at or following the test/interview), related of course to the amount of time it takes to get it and submit it.


Failure to provide work or address history for the full five year eligibility period:

Here too it is not clear, yet, what impact this is having. For an applicant in your circumstances, the information prior to you coming to Canada has minimal material significance. The fact that IRCC explicitly asks for it (to be frank, the application is rather clear in this regard, clearly asking for address and work and travel history for the FULL FIVE year eligibility period) makes it relevant, but that does not necessarily make it material. Since IRCC is NOT engaged in a GOTCHA game, this should not totally sabotage your application. Whether it leads to some non-routine processing, thus some delays, again this is NOT yet clear.
 

Atifaltaf

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Oct 5, 2017
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Thanks for your response .But if during PR application they got all info regarding history and police certificates then why they need again those things for that period ?
 

Soon-hopefully-s000n

Full Member
Aug 16, 2013
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Montreal
Category........
QSW
Visa Office......
Cpp Ottawa
App. Filed.......
02-07-2012
Doc's Request.
RPRF: 18-06-2013
AOR Received.
23-07-2012
File Transfer...
In Process: 21-08-2013
Med's Request
30-08-2012
Med's Done....
31-08-2012
Interview........
Decision made: 24-10-2013
Passport Req..
Never (Sent passport on my own 15-11-2013)
VISA ISSUED...
2-12-2013 (got my passport back 4-12-2013)
LANDED..........
06-01-2014 - Montreal CIC office
Morning everybody- got DM today. My updated timeline is as follows:

App sent: October 18
Delivered: October 23
AOR: January 5th
IP:.....February 4th
Test Invite: February 21
Test Date: March 6
FP: Pending
DM: March 10
Oath Cermony: Pending
Office: Montreal
Type: single/individual
Physical days: 1395
 

Kan_Sri

Champion Member
Feb 14, 2014
2,244
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Visa Office......
New Delhi
App. Filed.......
Mar 05-2014
Morning everybody- got DM today. My updated timeline is as follows:

App sent: October 18
Delivered: October 23
AOR: January 5th
IP:.....February 4th
Test Invite: February 21
Test Date: March 6
FP: Pending
DM: March 10
Oath Cermony: Pending
Office: Montreal
Type: single/individual
Physical days: 1395
updated, congrads!
 

btbt

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Feb 26, 2018
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Thanks for your response .But if during PR application they got all info regarding history and police certificates then why they need again those things for that period ?
Because, as I mentioned in another thread, the PCC you provided for your PR application is now out of date.
You submitted the PCC for your PR application. The PR application processing took some time, so you were issued your PR a few months later. During those months you lived in your home country. IRCC does not have the information about those months after you applied, so they now want a PCC that covers that period of time.
 

upandgoing

Star Member
Mar 9, 2018
159
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They worry about gaps, not about overlap.

Something like (chronological, by start date) would seem the most straightforward way of completing that table:

from whenever-June (or July, if it's not a end of month/beginning of next month thing) 2016 homemaker
july 2016-nov 2016 abc work
nov 2016-current xyz work
jan 2017-aug 2017 student at sheridan

And yeah, checking "student" (as well as any other categories that apply) is just fine. It's an accredited school, after all. There's plenty of people who work and study at the same time.

Thank you so much
 

Atifaltaf

Star Member
Oct 5, 2017
61
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Because, as I mentioned in another thread, the PCC you provided for your PR application is now out of date.
You submitted the PCC for your PR application. The PR application processing took some time, so you were issued your PR a few months later. During those months you lived in your home country. IRCC does not have the information about those months after you applied, so they now want a PCC that covers that period of time.
Thanks a lot for your reply
 

rajmalhotra7

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Apr 5, 2010
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Summary of October 2017 applicants (by Date Delivered) as per Google spreadsheet:
Date#Total#AOR#IP%IP#Test Invite%Test Invite#Test Held#DM#Oath Invite%Oath Invite#Oath Held
2-Oct-17444100.0%375.0%33125.0%1
3-Oct-17222100.0%2100.0%22150.0%1
5-Oct-17333100.0%266.7%22133.3%-
6-Oct-1777685.7%571.4%54228.6%1
10-Oct-1777685.7%571.4%32228.6%1
12-Oct-1725252392.0%1560.0%159520.0%2
13-Oct-17100988989.0%5252.0%42241313.0%6
16-Oct-1731130326986.5%16954.3%148833711.9%15
17-Oct-1755534480.0%2036.4%171259.1%2
18-Oct-1767666292.5%3146.3%241546.0%1
19-Oct-171101048880.0%4540.9%342287.3%-
20-Oct-1765635686.2%2741.5%17923.1%-
23-Oct-1750474386.0%1530.0%12512.0%1
24-Oct-1787787.5%450.0%41---
25-Oct-1724211875.0%833.3%41---
26-Oct-1731292890.3%722.6%6313.2%-
27-Oct-1723221773.9%313.0%31---
30-Oct-1725232080.0%624.0%21---
31-Oct-1798888.9%333.3%2----
Total92789379485.7%42245.5%345199839.0%31
Summary of October 2017 applicants (by Visa Office) as per Google spreadsheet:
Visa Office#Total#AOR#IP%IP#Test Invite%Test Invite#Test Held#DM#Oath Invite%Oath Invite#Oath Held
Blank1511426.7%213.3%2216.7%1
Calgary1161099682.8%5950.9%48291916.4%1
Edmonton58534882.8%2746.6%2414610.3%5
Fredericton55480.0%120.0%11---
Halifax999100.0%666.7%52111.1%-
Hamilton29272689.7%1862.1%148413.8%-
Kitchener25252496.0%624.0%54---
London12111191.7%650.0%54---
Mississauga96948386.5%2425.0%201488.3%2
Montreal12211710686.9%7057.4%593597.4%6
Niagara Falls333100.0%3100.0%31---
Ottawa69686391.3%5173.9%46272333.3%12
Regina16161593.8%956.3%8----
Saskatoon22221777.3%1045.5%74313.6%2
Scarborough57575494.7%3357.9%2720---
St. John's666100.0%-------
Surrey99777.8%555.6%22222.2%1
Toronto12812210078.1%1914.8%1811---
Vancouver1071069689.7%6459.8%441665.6%1
Windsor88787.5%225.0%11112.5%-
Winnipeg151515100.0%746.7%64---
Total92789379485.7%42245.5%345199839.0%31
Monthly/ Weekly Summary of October 2017 applicants as per Google spreadsheet:
Month/ Week of#AOR#IP#Test Invite#Test Held#DM#Oath Invite#Oath Held
October, 201738------
November, 2017568139-----
December, 201721537036----
Jan 01 - Jan 07207218----
Jan 08 - Jan 1488571933-
Jan 15 - Jan 2164049107--
Jan 22 - Jan 288356130163-
Jan 29 - Feb 04181236522971
Feb 05 - Feb 1148454129122
Feb 12 - Feb 1821743583519-
Feb 19 - Feb 25-1032473184
Feb 26 - Mar 04622146291623
Mar 05 - Mar 11-4105220151
Total8937944223451998331
 

baktash13083

Star Member
Oct 16, 2017
51
13
Toronto, ON, Canada
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
Ottawa
App. Filed.......
27-02-2013
AOR Received.
28-03-2013
Med's Request
12-12-2013
Med's Done....
14-12-2013
Passport Req..
19-03-2014
VISA ISSUED...
24-03-2014
LANDED..........
28-03-2014
I called CIC and the agent told me it is fingerprints. He told me that I cannot go to get the fingerprints does without the letter which might take a couple of days to receive.
My question:
Based on the information on the CIC website, can I get electronically my fingerprints done in a police station or it has to be done in RCMP office?
"If we’ve asked you to submit your fingerprints for citizenship, you’re responsible for paying all fees to have your fingerprints taken.
Your fingerprints must be taken electronically.
You can arrange to have them taken through:
There is always RCMP-accredited fingerprint company which are doing exactly the same service but because it's private it's kind of faster tho.
I did it for my PR and I got it within 7 business days. But in your case I think fingerprint company communicate directly with CIC.
 

baktash13083

Star Member
Oct 16, 2017
51
13
Toronto, ON, Canada
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
Ottawa
App. Filed.......
27-02-2013
AOR Received.
28-03-2013
Med's Request
12-12-2013
Med's Done....
14-12-2013
Passport Req..
19-03-2014
VISA ISSUED...
24-03-2014
LANDED..........
28-03-2014
Wrote my test at the Mississauga Ircc office today... 20/20

Could someone update the sheet please?
Congrats! Did they tell you the Oath date? or just general answer of 4-6 weeks waiting to get Oath invite?