Non Resident children require medical for Fathers visa

[melanie957]

Hi

My ex-husband who resides in Alberta (and is soon to be married to a Canadian national) is suggesting that CIC are requesting immigration medicals for our children who are Bristish nationals and permenantly resident in the UK with me - their mother...... why would this be?

I find this request somewhat confusing, as they do not have visas for Canada, there is no application pending for them nor do they reside or plan to reside in the country with him.

Can anyone tell me why they would require this information??

Thanks for any help or advise you can offer.

 

[scylla]

Yes - this is normal.

As long as the children complete a medical - it means they can be sponsored to Canada in the future by your ex. It is in their best interest to get the medical done even if there are no plans for them to come to Canada ever at this time. Sometimes things in life change in unexpected ways.

If they do not complete the medical, it means they can never be sponsored to Canada by their father.

Here are two reasons why it's in your children's best interest to get the medical done even though there are no plans for them to come to Canada at this time. Let's say something were to happen to you and their father needed to take over as their primary caregiver, having the medical done now would allow them to be sponsored to live with their father. Alternatively, let's say one of them decides they would like to attend university in Canada. It's very expensive to attend as an international student. Once again, being sponsored by their father as a permanent resident would allow them to attend as domestic students once they are approved as PRs. Letting your children complete the medical means that they retain the option to be sponsored for Canadian permanent residency while they are still dependent age. Typically it's good to keep as many options as possible open for your children's future.

 

[zardoz]

Hi

My ex-husband who resides in Alberta (and is soon to be married to a Canadian national) is suggesting that CIC are requesting immigration medicals for our children who are Bristish nationals and permenantly resident in the UK with me - their mother...... why would this be?

I find this request somewhat confusing, as they do not have visas for Canada, there is no application pending for them nor do they reside or plan to reside in the country with him.

Can anyone tell me why they would require this information??

Thanks for any help or advise you can offer.

Agree with Scylla. However, if you have sole custody of the children, you have the absolute right to refuse the request. The children cannot be compelled to take any part in your ex-husband 's plans if you don't want them to.

 

[melanie957]

Thank you both for your responses, I am still somewhat unsure as to how to proceed as this request has come out of the blue and I have been give a very short time to respond to such a request without full understanding of the full process.

My children have resided with me for 8 years with very little contact with their father and whilst I would not wish to hamper their future options, I do have concerns about them undergoing this medical, especially as my 15 year old daughter would be treated as an adult and would have to undergo HIV and PAP testing.

I think some further reserach would have to be undertaken to ensure that I was acting in their best interests in which ever direct we as a family chose to go.

 

[zardoz]

If you do decide to proceed with medical examinations, I can NOT recommend http://www.bridge-clinic.com/
My experience with them was very poor....

 

[Leon]

It is your right to refuse the medicals but like others have said, you are closing a door for your children as they would never be able to be sponsored by their father in the future.

It is also a hassle for their father because he will have to prove that you have sole custody of the children and that you have refused the medicals and he has tried everything to get you to change your mind.

A pap smear is not a standard requirement for Canadian Immigration medicals. The medicals consist of trying to find major health problems that would be expensive for Canadian health care in the future. They would include things like listening to heart and lungs, taking blood pressure, vision test, make you walk around on the floor, a urine test, blood test and a lung x-ray.

You can see this here:

•complete physical examination for all family members;
•chest X-ray and a radiologist’s report for everyone aged 11 years and over;
•blood test for everyone aged 15 years or over;
•urinalysis for everyone aged 5 years or over;
•HIV testing for everyone aged 15 years or over, as well as for children who have received blood or blood products, or have a known HIV mother.
...
Vaginal examination, together with a Papanicolaou smear, should be undertaken only if clinically indicated, such as by the presence of pelvic masses noted on abdominal examination, or dysfunctional uterine bleeding. At the applicant’s request, this examination may be undertaken by the applicant’s own physician or gynecologist, who should provide a written report. That report is to be included and forwarded to the regional medical office with the IME.

 

[Eowyn]

It is also a hassle for their father because he will have to prove that you have sole custody of the children and that you have refused the medicals and he has tried everything to get you to change your mind.

I really think this is irrelevant. The OP has stated that the children have had very little contact with their father for 8 years. The ONLY reason their mother should be considering this is to keep future options open for the children. Immigration is HIS choice, not theirs. Let him deal with the "fallout"....

 

[melanie957]

Zardoz - this would be my nearest clinic if I choose to proceed (all be it a 2 hour drive) if you dont mind me asking - why would you not reccommend it??

 

[zardoz]

Zardoz - this would be my nearest clinic if I choose to proceed (all be it a 2 hour drive) if you dont mind me asking - why would you not reccommend it??

Take a look at my very first thread on here. It describes my experience with them... http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/i-am-really-confused-about-the-medical-form-imm1017-how-and-when-t133558.0.html

 

[tee1]

Thank you both for your responses, I am still somewhat unsure as to how to proceed as this request has come out of the blue and I have been give a very short time to respond to such a request without full understanding of the full process.

My children have resided with me for 8 years with very little contact with their father and whilst I would not wish to hamper their future options, I do have concerns about them undergoing this medical, especially as my 15 year old daughter would be treated as an adult and would have to undergo HIV and PAP testing.

I think some further reserach would have to be undertaken to ensure that I was acting in their best interests in which ever direct we as a family chose to go.

I really would not worry about the medical for your Children. It is no big deal, just like a normal trip to the docs with a few tests, a quick listen to the heart etc and off you go. Your Daughter is not going to have to do a Pap and the medical is done in a professional manner. It will take an hour of their life.

I'll explain the Canadian immigration paperwork a bit so you understand where the request has come from.
All Canadian immigration applicants are required to list family members and dependents. They can be listed as accompanying to Canada or non accompanying. Your Children will have been listed as non accompanying dependents. Even though they don't live with their father CIC still requires they be added to the immigration application as dependents.
All dependents whether accompanying or not are asked to undergo a Medical examination by CIC. If the dependent does not have the medical exam then in immigrations eyes they are no longer members of the family class and can Never be sponsored. This is to stop abuse of the system. Family members do not have a health care excessive demand threshold that they need to be under so without this restriction 1 person could emigrate and then sponsor other family members who should have been included in the first place and who might not have passed the medical.
As an EX Wife you too will have to have been listed on the application as an Ex Spouse.

If your ex is a total w****r who would never sponsor his Children and the type the what's nothing to do with the kids then in that situation it's really up to you if you want the Children to go for the medical. Situations can change but if their father would never be willing to sponsor them anyway there's no benefit for the kids in having a medical.
Does he want the Children to have a medical because he understands why and opportunities it might give the kids if he sponsors them in the future or just because CIC have said he must.

Even though the kids have had very little to do with their father try and put personal feelings aside and let them take the medical if there's even the remote opportunity the father would sponsor in the future. They could be sponsored as dependents up to age 22. It give's an easy opportunity to travel and work in Canada that most people could only dream off. The job situation in the UK is bleek.

CIC ask for Medicals to be completed within 60 days which is why the short time frame

 

[KaZRa]

Would this be considered necessary for someone whose kids are grown, 18-20 and have their own lives? They will not want to do this, I am pretty sure of that.

 

[zardoz]

Would this be considered necessary for someone whose kids are grown, 18-20 and have their own lives? They will not want to do this, I am pretty sure of that.

If they are defined as dependent, yes. However, the age limit will be 18 very soon anyway.

 

[Leon]

Would this be considered necessary for someone whose kids are grown, 18-20 and have their own lives? They will not want to do this, I am pretty sure of that.

If the children are of age and they refuse to undergo the medical, that is a good enough reason. However, the parent will have to provide proof that they refused. If the children are already married or in a common law partnership, they are no longer considered dependent and can be excluded from the application. If the person is applying for PR after August 1st 2014, the age limit for a dependent child is under 19 so children aged 19 and older would automatically be excluded.

 

[Dr_Midnite]

Hi

It seems we have run off on a tangent of discussing whats involved in the medicals, I see a number of questions being asked.

Q: My ex-husband who resides in Alberta (and is soon to be married to a Canadian national) is suggesting that CIC are requesting immigration medicals for our children who are Bristish nationals and permanently resident in the UK with me - their mother...... why would this be?

A: Is your husband a current permanent resident of Canada or is he on a work permit? CIC would only ask dependents for medicals if they were included on some form of application for residency in Canada. Your ex-husband would have to have initiated that process. The request for medicals is done towards the end of the process and requires a formal written request from CIC.

Q: I find this request somewhat confusing, as they do not have visas for Canada, there is no application pending for them nor do they reside or plan to reside in the country with him. Can anyone tell me why they would require this information??

A: Are you sure there is no application pending for them? As highlighted above CIC would only request a medical for any dependent based on an application being submitted. It is possible your ex-husband has or is thinking about lodging an application. The forms ask for all dependents to be listed, if the children are on the forms then at some point there will be a request for medicals (provided his application is accepted).

He can’t “suggest” CIC are requesting immigration medicals, he either has a request from CIC or he does not. It is that simple, if he has a request then he will have to provide you the CIC medical forms which can only be completed by the doctor completing the medical. You can’t even book the medical without that document (I know as our kids are going through the process now).

Thx

A

 

[taffy7]

Hi

It seems we have run off on a tangent of discussing whats involved in the medicals, I see a number of questions being asked.

Q: My ex-husband who resides in Alberta (and is soon to be married to a Canadian national) is suggesting that CIC are requesting immigration medicals for our children who are Bristish nationals and permanently resident in the UK with me - their mother...... why would this be?

A: Is your husband a current permanent resident of Canada or is he on a work permit? CIC would only ask dependents for medicals if they were included on some form of application for residency in Canada. Your ex-husband would have to have initiated that process. The request for medicals is done towards the end of the process and requires a formal written request from CIC.

Q: I find this request somewhat confusing, as they do not have visas for Canada, there is no application pending for them nor do they reside or plan to reside in the country with him. Can anyone tell me why they would require this information??

A: Are you sure there is no application pending for them? As highlighted above CIC would only request a medical for any dependent based on an application being submitted. It is possible your ex-husband has or is thinking about lodging an application. The forms ask for all dependents to be listed, if the children are on the forms then at some point there will be a request for medicals (provided his application is accepted).

He can't “suggest” CIC are requesting immigration medicals, he either has a request from CIC or he does not. It is that simple, if he has a request then he will have to provide you the CIC medical forms which can only be completed by the doctor completing the medical. You can't even book the medical without that document (I know as our kids are going through the process now).

Thx

A

Have no idea where to even start with this response .... it is all wrong.