Non-Express Entry(PNP) Online Applications Gather here

[Miss bee]

Hi, I’d like to ask how risky it would be to switch my landing process from inland to outland, or is that even possible? I may need to return to my home country for about 3–4 months due to family matters. And I could receive my FD during this period. Could you please share your insight on this? @Miss bee When I receive my Portal 1 email, do I have to stay inland the entire time until I get my PR card?


I applied for my PR through BCPNP-IPG on August 20, 2024, and I haven’t yet received my Final Decision, P1, or P2.


Based on the August 2024 Google sheet timeline, I’ve seen that IRCC has already sent FD and P1 to applicants from August 16–19, so I feel I’m very close. However, there has not been much progress for the past 3 months. It looks like IRCC now issues FDs only at the beginning of each month. Last month, they stopped after two weeks, and this month, they stopped after just two days. I assume this might be due to limited PR quotas remaining for the year, and that they’re controlling the pace of approvals.

Therefore, I am thinking of going back now, rather than waiting until I receive my PR card, which could take so many more months..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...DQxvmQMQtH1U/edit?gid=225830879#gid=225830879

1 Switching Inland to Outland

• Once you’ve applied under the inland stream, you can’t simply “convert” your application to outland. IRCC processes it based on how you applied.
• However, you’re not required to physically stay in Canada for the entire processing. Many inland applicants do temporarily travel abroad during the final stages — but there are some risks (see below).

2. Portal 1 (P1) and Travel

• Portal 1 email is an invitation to declare that you’re in Canada and ready to land virtually.
• If you are outside Canada when you get P1, you can’t honestly confirm presence, since IRCC asks you to declare that you’re physically in Canada.
• If you’re abroad, your file might get delayed, or IRCC might instead send you the “outland landing” option (i.e., asking you to submit passport photos for a visa counterfoil and then do a landing at the border/airport). This can take longer

3. PR Card

• After you complete Portal 2 (P2) and submit your address/photo, IRCC issues your eCOPR — this is the actual PR confirmation.
• Once you have the eCOPR, you’re officially a PR, even without the physical PR card.
• The PR card is mainly needed for re-entry to Canada on a commercial flight. If you must return before you receive it, you’d need either:
  • a PR Travel Document (PRTD) from a Canadian visa office abroad, or
  • travel to the U.S. and enter Canada by land with your eCOPR

4. Risk Factors If You Leave Now
If you leave before P1, and IRCC sends you P1 while you’re abroad → you can’t complete the virtual landing until you return, unless they switch you to outland landing (which adds processing time).

• If you leave after eCOPR but before PR card, you will have to deal with PRTD or U.S. land-entry workaround to return.
• Processing slowdowns (like the “monthly batches” you’ve noticed) may be quota-related, and it’s true that the timing is unpredictable. But since you’re so close (August 20 applicant, with mid-August peers already getting FD), your P1 could realistically arrive anytime in the next 1–6 weeks.

Summary
You can leave Canada, but it adds risks:

• Before P1: could delay your landing if IRCC issues it while you’re away.
• After eCOPR but before PR card: you’d need a PRTD or U.S. land entry to return.
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• If family matters are urgent, leaving is possible — just be prepared for the extra hassle.
• If you can wait until you at least get eCOPR, that’s the safest point to leave.

 

[NewtoCanada1111]

Bruh.. last time I checked this was 181 days

yeah, it is keep on changing..

 

[Akmsb]

Thank you! I submitted a webform. Instead of blank I put “Present”. Hopefully, if they are not satisfied they send sn ADR and not return. I submitted our application in Nov 20 (21 on portal) 2024, still waiting for AOR.

I am also in the same boat left my " to date" blank for current employment and address. Please update me when you have any response on your application

 

[hctefernando]

Any spreadsheet for November AOR mpnp

This is the link to the November NON-EE PNP
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...P_4dsJTt-Py0/edit?gid=327230977#gid=327230977

 

[faithfully_perfect_time]

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I am also in the same boat left my " to date" blank for current employment and address. Please update me when you have any response on your application

Sure! As of now. No AOR yet
Submitted Nov 21, 2024 on portal.

 

[VenomSnake]

Dear @Miss bee

I hope you are doing well. I want to share my summarized timeline as:
27 Feb 2024: PNP Non-EE application submission to IRCC
12 Jun 2024: AOR
24 Oct 2024: ADR on CV and military rec (start of comprehensive SS I guess)
Complete silence after that

I got my first GCMS notes on 10 March 2025. I got the second one today. I compared them (which are 6 months apart), and not a single character is different. Absoulutly NO update and NO new notes. Even my medical is expired about two months ago and I did not receive any email regarding to that as well. Is it possible that my file is lost somewhere? what should I do?

PVO: Sydney, SVO: Montreal

 

[jaylokhande]

Hello @Miss bee

I hope you are doing well!!

I have applied Non-Express Entry (SINP) PR application under Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) category, on 6th June, 2025 but have not received AOR yet. My IELTS score is expiring on 25th September, 2025 and also I did not have Birth Certificate so for that I have submitted Indian documents like (Aadhar card, Voter card, PAN Card) and Birth Certificate Issued by Indian Embassy in the USA based on the passport.

My questions are

1. Do I need to give IELTS test again and submit report?
2. Will my application rejected due to non-availability of Birth Certificate? What are other documents that can be submitted?

Thank you!!!

 

[Miss bee]

Hello @Miss bee

I hope you are doing well!!

I have applied Non-Express Entry (SINP) PR application under Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) category, on 6th June, 2025 but have not received AOR yet. My IELTS score is expiring on 25th September, 2025 and also I did not have Birth Certificate so for that I have submitted Indian documents like (Aadhar card, Voter card, PAN Card) and Birth Certificate Issued by Indian Embassy in the USA based on the passport.

My questions are

1. Do I need to give IELTS test again and submit report?
2. Will my application rejected due to non-availability of Birth Certificate? What are other documents that can be submitted?

Thank you!!!

For paper-based PR applications (non-Express Entry), IRCC requires proof of language proficiency when you submit the application.

• The IELTS (or CELPIP/TEF/TCF) must be valid (less than 2 years old) on the date IRCC receives your application.
• After that, even if your test expires during processing (which can take over 12–18 months for paper-based PNP PR), you do NOT need to retake it unless IRCC specifically requests updated results.

Since you submitted your PR application on June 6, 2025, your IELTS was still valid then (expiring on September 25, 2025). That means you’ve met the requirement.
You do not need to retake IELTS just because it will expire during processing.

. Birth Certificate Issue for Non-Express Entry PR
IRCC’s rules for civil status documents are strict, but they allow alternative evidence if a birth certificate is not available:
You should provide a “Letter of Explanation” stating why the original birth certificate is unavailable.

• Attach the Birth Certificate issued by the Indian Embassy in the USA (based on your passport).
• Include other government documents with your name, date of birth, and (ideally) your parents’ names. Examples:
  • Aadhar card,
  • Voter card,
  • PAN card,
  • School leaving/10th grade certificate (very commonly accepted by IRCC for Indians),
  • Ration card or family register (if available).
  • IRCC usually prefers a 10th grade certificate or equivalent school record, since it includes both DOB and parent’s name(s).

If you don’t have one, the embassy-issued certificate plus multiple IDs (Aadhar, Voter ID, PAN) can strengthen your case.
Affidavits alone are not accepted by IRCC, but they can be used as supporting documents alongside official IDs.

 

[jaylokhande]

For paper-based PR applications (non-Express Entry), IRCC requires proof of language proficiency when you submit the application.

• The IELTS (or CELPIP/TEF/TCF) must be valid (less than 2 years old) on the date IRCC receives your application.
• After that, even if your test expires during processing (which can take over 12–18 months for paper-based PNP PR), you do NOT need to retake it unless IRCC specifically requests updated results.

Since you submitted your PR application on June 6, 2025, your IELTS was still valid then (expiring on September 25, 2025). That means you’ve met the requirement.
You do not need to retake IELTS just because it will expire during processing.

. Birth Certificate Issue for Non-Express Entry PR
IRCC’s rules for civil status documents are strict, but they allow alternative evidence if a birth certificate is not available:
You should provide a “Letter of Explanation” stating why the original birth certificate is unavailable.

• Attach the Birth Certificate issued by the Indian Embassy in the USA (based on your passport).
• Include other government documents with your name, date of birth, and (ideally) your parents’ names. Examples:
  • Aadhar card,
  • Voter card,
  • PAN card,
  • School leaving/10th grade certificate (very commonly accepted by IRCC for Indians),
  • Ration card or family register (if available).
  • IRCC usually prefers a 10th grade certificate or equivalent school record, since it includes both DOB and parent’s name(s).

If you don’t have one, the embassy-issued certificate plus multiple IDs (Aadhar, Voter ID, PAN) can strengthen your case.
Affidavits alone are not accepted by IRCC, but they can be used as supporting documents alongside official IDs.

Thank you @Miss bee

 

[NewtoCanada1111]

For paper-based PR applications (non-Express Entry), IRCC requires proof of language proficiency when you submit the application.

• The IELTS (or CELPIP/TEF/TCF) must be valid (less than 2 years old) on the date IRCC receives your application.
• After that, even if your test expires during processing (which can take over 12–18 months for paper-based PNP PR), you do NOT need to retake it unless IRCC specifically requests updated results.

Since you submitted your PR application on June 6, 2025, your IELTS was still valid then (expiring on September 25, 2025). That means you’ve met the requirement.
You do not need to retake IELTS just because it will expire during processing.

. Birth Certificate Issue for Non-Express Entry PR
IRCC’s rules for civil status documents are strict, but they allow alternative evidence if a birth certificate is not available:
You should provide a “Letter of Explanation” stating why the original birth certificate is unavailable.

• Attach the Birth Certificate issued by the Indian Embassy in the USA (based on your passport).
• Include other government documents with your name, date of birth, and (ideally) your parents’ names. Examples:
  • Aadhar card,
  • Voter card,
  • PAN card,
  • School leaving/10th grade certificate (very commonly accepted by IRCC for Indians),
  • Ration card or family register (if available).
  • IRCC usually prefers a 10th grade certificate or equivalent school record, since it includes both DOB and parent’s name(s).

If you don’t have one, the embassy-issued certificate plus multiple IDs (Aadhar, Voter ID, PAN) can strengthen your case.
Affidavits alone are not accepted by IRCC, but they can be used as supporting documents alongside official IDs.

Please be very carful with all mandatory docs. Mine was returned due to non-availability of birth certificate. I had put affidavits along with other gov. supporting docs but reason for missing that why I can't provide B.C.
so please provide good explanation and have the same reason (in brief) in your affidavit as well.

 

[Loeloe]

Hello everyone,
When preparing documentation for a spouse (LOE), should we use the first-person pronoun I or the third-person pronoun he?
Thank you!

 

[hisingh]

I have a few questions regarding BOWP
My PNP-Non Express PR file is in processing, got AOR already, but my PNP nomination has expired. My work permit will expire next year. My PNP is employer-restricted. So while applying for BOWP,
1. What documents would I need?
2. Will BOWP be employer-restricted? Would I be able to work part-time at other places on that WP?
3. How much time before should I apply for BOWP before the expiry of my WP?
4. Any other things I should keep in mind?
@Miss bee, please reply if possible.
Thanks

 

[Miss bee]

I have a few questions regarding BOWP
My PNP-Non Express PR file is in processing, got AOR already, but my PNP nomination has expired. My work permit will expire next year. My PNP is employer-restricted. So while applying for BOWP,
1. What documents would I need?
2. Will BOWP be employer-restricted? Would I be able to work part-time at other places on that WP?
3. How much time before should I apply for BOWP before the expiry of my WP?
4. Any other things I should keep in mind?
@Miss bee, please reply if possible.
Thanks

If you have employer restrictions on your nomination, you are not eligible for BOWP. You have to apply for employer specific closed work permit.

 

[Elpop123]

Hi @Miss bee quick question if you dont mind, what does it mean if criminality is in progress in gcms and the due date is 2024 which is not even when i started my application. Thanks!

 

[Miss bee]

Hi @Miss bee quick question if you dont mind, what does it mean if criminality is in progress in gcms and the due date is 2024 which is not even when i started my application. Thanks!

Due Date → The “due date” in GCMS notes is usually an internal system date used for officers to track or remind themselves to follow up. It is not your application deadline, nor does it mean your case will be decided exactly by then. Sometimes the due date can look odd (e.g., in the past or far in the future, even before you applied). That’s because these dates are auto-generated or system-assigned placeholders. They don’t necessarily have significance for your personal timeline.
So, in your case:
“Criminality: In Progress” just means they’re still doing background checks.

• The due date showing 2024 (before your actual application date) is a system artifact and not a problem for your file.