NOC 4011

[Missionquebec]

I'm not sure about two applications, but what I understand here is, still we don't have any reference number for our FSW 2014 application;thus, it will be considered as SENT applicatio, so go ahead for EE. If you have reference number for your FSW2014 then I'm not sure of two applications. I sent application for fsw 2014 and applied for EE. Finally, Canada adopts meaningful immigration system that is EE.

 

[Missionquebec]

phd is mandatory , then you need 4-6 years of post doctoral fellowship, after all these you may have a slim chance to get a teaching position if you have 15-20 international publications plus some sort of reasearch funding

As we all know, none of the Master degree holders going to get a job in Canadian universities then why the heck CIC let these people suffer? Also they engage caps and a lot of qualified PhDs are out of the race since cap is taken by these people. Very awkward situation.

 

[specialmary]

As we all know, none of the Master degree holders going to get a job in Canadian universities then why the heck CIC let these people suffer? Also they engage caps and a lot of qualified PhDs are out of the race since cap is taken by these people. Very awkward situation.

CIC only does things based on procedures, not common sense. Even many PhD holders are likely to get an academic job in Canada.

However, the trend is that there will be many professors over 65 retiring in Canada. Bear in mind that Canadian academia (for professor posts) does not recruit people locally - they recruit worldwide.

 

[Missionquebec]

CIC only does things based on procedures, not common sense. Even many PhD holders are likely to get an academic job in Canada.

However, the trend is that there will be many professors over 65 retiring in Canada. Bear in mind that Canadian academia (for professor posts) does not recruit people locally - they recruit worldwide.

You are somewhat right about retirement,but none of the Canadian universities going to hire Master graduates for their vacancy. So there is no point to give PR for master degree holder under 4011.
Of course they recruit world wide, but still they need to get labor market opinion to hire candidate who has no PR which most of the universities do not like to do it. Also, now they have a lot of local PhDs too but not with a lot of publications. If external phd holder has a lot of publications without PR and local PhD with one or two publications then local PhD holder get a job. This is very common in English speaking countries. Especially if external candidate do not hold English speaking country phd.

Well, the bottom line is CIC give PR to people who are not able to integrate into Canadian universities academic system. I feel they consider community college recruitment in which master degree is fine, in this case they should categorize as two NOCs, one for master degree and another one is for PhDs. Anyway, their new EE SYSTEM may help qualified candidates( market trend) to enter Cananda.

 

[h4.harry]

My application reached CIC on 10-Oct as per Canada Post tracking and received by M K.
NOC: 4011
VO: NDVO
Payment Mode: CC

But no charge from my CC :-[ :-\ :-X

I don't know whether I am still in race for FSW2014. However I have submitted my New Application online under EE for same NOC 4011. My Score in New EE system is 453 while it was 70 in old system.

 

[RiyadChowdhury]

You are somewhat right about retirement,but none of the Canadian universities going to hire Master graduates for their vacancy. So there is no point to give PR for master degree holder under 4011.
Of course they recruit world wide, but still they need to get labor market opinion to hire candidate who has no PR which most of the universities do not like to do it. Also, now they have a lot of local PhDs too but not with a lot of publications. If external phd holder has a lot of publications without PR and local PhD with one or two publications then local PhD holder get a job. This is very common in English speaking countries. Especially if external candidate do not hold English speaking country phd.

Well, the bottom line is CIC give PR to people who are not able to integrate into Canadian universities academic system. I feel they consider community college recruitment in which master degree is fine, in this case they should categorize as two NOCs, one for master degree and another one is for PhDs. Anyway, their new EE SYSTEM may help qualified candidates( market trend) to enter Cananda.

I am only 27. Has been Teaching at an AACSB member business school in my country with masters.Applied and received PER already.
We all understand that Canadian universities aren't stupid to appoint us right away after landing. In my opinion, A PhD from the preferred institutions will back u up there to fulfil your dream of teaching.
CIC prefers immigrants of under 35 so that they could contribute Canadian society in a real sense. While, the idea of having PhD for applying under 4011 is totally absurd as far as I understand the basics of immigration.
For being successful you need to prepare yourself there. I am confident enough to grab a faculty position there. . Enough of old butts.

 

[specialmary]

You are somewhat right about retirement,but none of the Canadian universities going to hire Master graduates for their vacancy. So there is no point to give PR for master degree holder under 4011.
Of course they recruit world wide, but still they need to get labor market opinion to hire candidate who has no PR which most of the universities do not like to do it. Also, now they have a lot of local PhDs too but not with a lot of publications. If external phd holder has a lot of publications without PR and local PhD with one or two publications then local PhD holder get a job. This is very common in English speaking countries. Especially if external candidate do not hold English speaking country phd.

Well, the bottom line is CIC give PR to people who are not able to integrate into Canadian universities academic system. I feel they consider community college recruitment in which master degree is fine, in this case they should categorize as two NOCs, one for master degree and another one is for PhDs. Anyway, their new EE SYSTEM may help qualified candidates( market trend) to enter Cananda.

From my knowledge, even community colleges start to hire PhD, given the backlog of people with PhD without a job. My friend got hired in a college as she was graduated with a PhD in a prestigious Canaduian university and with some publications. Her teaching record was really good - good evaluation scores from students. She taught like 3-4 courses per semester and supervises 5-10 undergraduate theses.

Yes, I agree with you that Canadian community colleges prefer hiring Canadian citizens or PR. Even small universities prefer locals. Therefore, you have a higher chance to get hired if you have PR. However, if a university want an oversea academic, it is not difficult - LMO usually allow universities to hire an oversea professor and it is a worldwide practice. However, no universities are going to give permanent offers to a foreign individual unless this individual is at least an assistant professor who had worked for 5 years or more / an associate professor. Therefore, it is difficult to expect LMIA with permanent job offer.

 

[bnb]

Hello Professors

http://www.georgebrown.ca/R403-2014-2015/

Wat about doing a course like this to get job in community colleges?

 

[Missionquebec]

I am only 27. Has been Teaching at an AACSB member business school in my country with masters.Applied and received PER already.
We all understand that Canadian universities aren't stupid to appoint us right away after landing. In my opinion, A PhD from the preferred institutions will back u up there to fulfil your dream of teaching.
CIC prefers immigrants of under 35 so that they could contribute Canadian society in a real sense. While, the idea of having PhD for applying under 4011 is totally absurd as far as I understand the basics of immigration.
For being successful you need to prepare yourself there. I am confident enough to grab a faculty position there. . Enough of old butts.

Our concern is not about your degree level and no matter you teach in AACSB accredited or Triple Accredited institutions. Our main point here is, it is complete non-sense to consider both Master and PhD degree together for PR application under NOC 4011. Without any second thought I can firmly say none of the Master degree holder has chance to get a faculty position regardless of your so called experience. Once again, there are lot of people who got PhD in the age of 27; thus, it does not make sense to give age as a reason. Anyhow, there is no point to discuss this now since EE eliminated this non-sense.

 

[Missionquebec]

From my knowledge, even community colleges start to hire PhD, given the backlog of people with PhD without a job. My friend got hired in a college as she was graduated with a PhD in a prestigious Canaduian university and with some publications. Her teaching record was really good - good evaluation scores from students. She taught like 3-4 courses per semester and supervises 5-10 undergraduate theses.

Yes, I agree with you that Canadian community colleges prefer hiring Canadian citizens or PR. Even small universities prefer locals. Therefore, you have a higher chance to get hired if you have PR. However, if a university want an oversea academic, it is not difficult - LMO usually allow universities to hire an oversea professor and it is a worldwide practice. However, no universities are going to give permanent offers to a foreign individual unless this individual is at least an assistant professor who had worked for 5 years or more / an associate professor. Therefore, it is difficult to expect LMIA with permanent job offer.

You are right buddy. It is not difficult to get LMO, but how many universities want to do this? There are lot of PhD graduates in Canada now since Canada government subsidized PHD tuition fee, which increased the international student enrollment. If outsider with significant number of publications, and PhD with PR can give tough competition for local graduates, but what Master degree holder can do? nothing. So CIC wasted its NOC 4011 quota by giving PR to Master degree holders which made many PhD's loose their chance to get into cap. This is the point that I want to make.

 

[vinisha09]

You are right buddy. It is not difficult to get LMO, but how many universities want to do this? There are lot of PhD graduates in Canada now since Canada government subsidized PHD tuition fee, which increased the international student enrollment. If outsider with significant number of publications, and PhD with PR can give tough competition for local graduates, but what Master degree holder can do? nothing. So CIC wasted its NOC 4011 quota by giving PR to Master degree holders which made many PhD's loose their chance to get into cap. This is the point that I want to make.

i am a dentist and holding a masters degree in a dental specialty.
in all universities in canada and usa they appoint dental specialists as teaching faculty and phd in not at all a requirement.
this applies to medical doctors and specialists and also other professionals.

 

[RiyadChowdhury]

Our concern is not about your degree level and no matter you teach in AACSB accredited or Triple Accredited institutions. Our main point here is, it is complete non-sense to consider both Master and PhD degree together for PR application under NOC 4011. Without any second thought I can firmly say none of the Master degree holder has chance to get a faculty position regardless of your so called experience. Once again, there are lot of people who got PhD in the age of 27; thus, it does not make sense to give age as a reason. Anyhow, there is no point to discuss this now since EE eliminated this non-sense.

Here is little information for you to teach some sense. Two of my ex colleagues went there for PhD and ended up as faculty .
The basic of immigration is to attract young but talented professionals who could fit themselves well there. They aren't looking for old butts having no sense and arguing that master's shouldn't be allowed to apply under 4011.
As long as you believe in your talent, nothing can stand in between you and your goal.
Btw, at 27 I did an MBA plus an MSc from QUT. Booooom. ;D

Good luck for u.

 

[zamanahmed]

I was trying for several days but just now I can see my application status online. All praise to Almighty

Application date : 29th September
NOC: 4011
Status in Canada: International Student.

Thanks

 

[MHD3336]

Hello everyone,

I am a Nov 19th applicant in Noc 4011.

I can not see any CC charge for NOC 4011 after October 16th in the SS.

Does it mean that this cap has been filled?

Please advise.

 

[DeeBruv]

Here is little information for you to teach some sense. Two of my ex colleagues went there for PhD and ended up as faculty .
The basic of immigration is to attract young but talented professionals who could fit themselves well there. They aren't looking for old butts having no sense and arguing that master's shouldn't be allowed to apply under 4011.
As long as you believe in your talent, nothing can stand in between you and your goal.
Btw, at 27 I did an MBA plus an MSc from QUT. Booooom. ;D

Good luck for u.

RiyadChowdhury

The truth is that CIC has expressed her requirements for NOC 4011 and no argument can change it. Canada expects every one to achieve some additional academic papers when the permanent residents land. They love Citizens and Permanent Residents to acquire Canadian Education.