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love-canada

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Hi All,

Can any one advise if I should consider a day when I crossed border from Canada to US and back to Canada for Canada PR landing in physical presence list.

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If you are applying now, you would not mention it, because you can only count time starting from when you became a PR.

https://eservices.cic.gc.ca/rescalc/resCalcStartNew.do

"if you became a permanent resident less than six (6) years ago, your calculation period starts on the date you became a permanent resident"

If you're applying after the changes take effect, yes, you would.
 

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there are no dates in my passport for dates when I returned back to Canada. is this common for PR holders. please advise.

one small clarification plz....

vacation say for example: onward journey 22 Dec from Toronto but landed in destination country on 23 dec. so passport will have port of entry in destination country as 23 dec

I mentioned my trip start date as 22 dec and end date as when I returned to Toronto.

Is this right to mention 22 Dec or should I mention as per passport 23/Dec.

Thanks..
 
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alphazip

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You would start with the day you left Canada (which I would define as Canadian airspace), so if it's still the 22nd when you fly beyond Canadian territory, enter the 22nd.
 

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thanks ..
there are no stamps in my passport for dates when I returned back to Canada after becoming Permanent resident. is this common for PR holders. clarification plz....
 
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alphazip

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Yes, it's common. However, IRCC will still have a record of your arrival.
 

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thanks alphazip... do we need to send copies of all entry/exit passport stamps if that is the case.
 

alphazip

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No, it is not on the Document Checklist. Of course, a citizenship officer can request to look at the stamps at your interview.
 

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Appreciate. cheers..
 

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For purposes of reporting dates of entry, what matters is when the PoE is effectively cleared. A person is not legally in Canada until they have applied for entry (by showing up at the PIL in a PoE) and been allowed to enter. Does not matter when the imaginary boundary line is physically crossed, whether in the air or on the ground. Indeed, even after a plane has landed and is sitting on the tarmac, at Pearson say, the traveler still has not legally entered Canada . . . and still hasn't upon entering the terminal. Entry is not until the PoE is effectively cleared.

Thus, for example, late evening flights which end up circling the airport before getting to land on a busy night can often result in the traveler not actually entering Canada until after midnight, the NEXT calendar day.

If the time the PoE is cleared is five minutes after midnight, that's the day of return. That's the date the CBSA travel history will show in its records.

For purposes of reporting dates of exit, similarly it is safest to go with the date for the time the flight is scheduled to depart. If a late evening flight ends up in a long queue waiting for its turn for take-off (can especially happen in winter or during summer thunder storm weather), and does not actually take off until after midnight, still report the scheduled date for the flight.

The most important part about getting the exit date right is to report the date of departure and NOT rely on date of arrival at destination. This is especially true for red eye flights, and even more so for Trans-Pacific flights -- passport stamp showing arrival abroad can often be two days later than the date of exit from Canada whenever the International Date Line is crossed and the plane was in flight at midnight.

While applicants who give themselves a comfortable margin over the minimum (a margin of 30 or more days or so -- although applicants in some situations would be wise to consider waiting even much longer) do not need to worry much about adding or losing single days here or there for a few trips, and IRCC is well familiar with how these things go and does not jump to negative conclusions about misrepresentation over a one day discrepancy here or there, the best approach is to be as exactly accurate as possible. That is what makes the best impression. And the odds are most will make some other minor error or three anyway, so aiming for perfect helps to keep the total number of mistakes to a minimum.

This forum is rife with tales of woe by applicants who were absolutely certain about their dates but then, it turned out, they were off.
 

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For purposes of reporting dates of entry, what matters is when the PoE is effectively cleared. A person is not legally in Canada until they have applied for entry (by showing up at the PIL in a PoE) and been allowed to enter. Does not matter when the imaginary boundary line is physically crossed, whether in the air or on the ground. Indeed, even after a plane has landed and is sitting on the tarmac, at Pearson say, the traveler still has not legally entered Canada . . . and still hasn't upon entering the terminal. Entry is not until the PoE is effectively cleared.

Thus, for example, late evening flights which end up circling the airport before getting to land on a busy night can often result in the traveler not actually entering Canada until after midnight, the NEXT calendar day.

If the time the PoE is cleared is five minutes after midnight, that's the day of return. That's the date the CBSA travel history will show in its records.

For purposes of reporting dates of exit, similarly it is safest to go with the date for the time the flight is scheduled to depart. If a late evening flight ends up in a long queue waiting for its turn for take-off (can especially happen in winter or during summer thunder storm weather), and does not actually take off until after midnight, still report the scheduled date for the flight.

The most important part about getting the exit date right is to report the date of departure and NOT rely on date of arrival at destination. This is especially true for red eye flights, and even more so for Trans-Pacific flights -- passport stamp showing arrival abroad can often be two days later than the date of exit from Canada whenever the International Date Line is crossed and the plane was in flight at midnight.

While applicants who give themselves a comfortable margin over the minimum (a margin of 30 or more days or so -- although applicants in some situations would be wise to consider waiting even much longer) do not need to worry much about adding or losing single days here or there for a few trips, and IRCC is well familiar with how these things go and does not jump to negative conclusions about misrepresentation over a one day discrepancy here or there, the best approach is to be as exactly accurate as possible. That is what makes the best impression. And the odds are most will make some other minor error or three anyway, so aiming for perfect helps to keep the total number of mistakes to a minimum.

This forum is rife with tales of woe by applicants who were absolutely certain about their dates but then, it turned out, they were off.
thanks depenabil for this very informative thread, could you please let us know what do you personally recommend as an extra waiting time before applying to citizenship ?
 

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thanks depenabil for this very informative thread, could you please let us know what do you personally recommend as an extra waiting time before applying to citizenship ?
This is a very personal decision which should be based on the individual's particular situation, including immigration history, address history, work history, ties in Canada generally, and much more.

I am not qualified to offer personal advice so I do not make recommendations other than basic principles, like always be truthful, follow the rules and instructions, and very general suggestions like be sure to have a comfortable margin before applying.

A very common mistake is approaching the decision about WHEN to apply based almost entirely on when the PR has reached the minimum threshold for qualifying. There are many factors a prospective applicant should consider in making the WHEN to file decision.

All that said, many participants in this and other forums tend to think a week or two margin is fine for applicants who otherwise do not have foreseeable issues. My sense leans more to a month or two. Example of someone who should foresee potential issues, and thus would be wise to consider waiting much longer, is a PR with ongoing business or employment ties abroad, particularly if self-employed. This was my situation, all my clients for my self-employed business are abroad (I export what I do) . . . so I waited long over a year, in fact nearly two years past when I was first eligible. But that was during the Harper-Kenney-Alexander purge when one in four applicants were getting RQ and RQ'd applicants were bogged down in three to four or more years of processing.

The latter illustrates that among considerations, obviously there are factors which a prospective applicant can and should take into consideration which the PR has no control over and indeed which have little or nothing to do with him or her personally. The Harper-Kenney-Alexander purge from 2011 to early 2013 is an example of such a factor, and during that time it was prudent for almost all prospective applicants to wait longer, and some much longer.

A similar factor looms now, with a push in the opposite direction. While, unlike many others, I do not anticipate a devastating slowdown in processing when the 3/5 rule takes effect, due to the sudden surge in new applications (the pool of eligible applicants will suddenly increase by a quarter million or more), some slow down can be anticipated. Thus, for those who qualify under the 4/6 rule, perhaps they will prefer to apply with a smaller margin rather than wait and end up with their application in the much larger batch of new applications coming when the 3/5 rule takes effect.

There are, however, way too many individual factors to consider to try enumerating them. They include things like planning a move to take a new job, or anticipating having to go abroad for an extended period of time, among many more. The main thing is to approach the WHEN decision recognizing that there is much more to consider than just the date when the presence calculator shows the prospective applicant is eligible.

Edit to add: A big factor is the thoroughness and accuracy of the prospective applicant's accounting of dates. PRs who have kept contemporaneously made, complete and accurate records of dates of exit and entry are not risking so much when they apply with a small margin. As I noted before, in contrast, this forum is rife with tales of woe from applicants who were absolutely sure they had all their dates right except they did not. A thing to remember about this is that what causes concern is discrepancies, particularly outright omissions . . . even if what is missed actually suggests the applicant was in Canada at a time the applicant did not calculate as in Canada, that will often really hurt. I have addressed this in many discussions before. IRCC does not add those days to the applicant's calculation, but rather will tend to doubt the applicant's credibility. Once the applicant's credibility is in doubt, the dates in between last entry and next exit do not automatically get credited as in Canada (they do in the online calculator, that's how it works).
 
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This is a very personal decision which should be based on the individual's particular situation, including immigration history, address history, work history, ties in Canada generally, and much more.

I am not qualified to offer personal advice so I do not make recommendations other than basic principles, like always be truthful, follow the rules and instructions, and very general suggestions like be sure to have a comfortable margin before applying.

A very common mistake is approaching the decision about WHEN to apply based almost entirely on when the PR has reached the minimum threshold for qualifying. There are many factors a prospective applicant should consider in making the WHEN to file decision.

All that said, many participants in this and other forums tend to think a week or two margin is fine for applicants who otherwise do not have foreseeable issues. My sense leans more to a month or two. Example of someone who should foresee potential issues, and thus would be wise to consider waiting much longer, is a PR with ongoing business or employment ties abroad, particularly if self-employed. This was my situation, all my clients for my self-employed business are abroad (I export what I do) . . . so I waited long over a year, in fact nearly two years past when I was first eligible. But that was during the Harper-Kenney-Alexander purge when one in four applicants were getting RQ and RQ'd applicants were bogged down in three to four or more years of processing.

The latter illustrates that among considerations, obviously there are factors which a prospective applicant can and should take into consideration which the PR has no control over and indeed which have little or nothing to do with him or her personally. The Harper-Kenney-Alexander purge from 2011 to early 2013 is an example of such a factor, and during that time it was prudent for almost all prospective applicants to wait longer, and some much longer.

A similar factor looms now, with a push in the opposite direction. While, unlike many others, I do not anticipate a devastating slowdown in processing when the 3/5 rule takes effect, due to the sudden surge in new applications (the pool of eligible applicants will suddenly increase by a quarter million or more), some slow down can be anticipated. Thus, for those who qualify under the 4/6 rule, perhaps they will prefer to apply with a smaller margin rather than wait and end up with their application in the much larger batch of new applications coming when the 3/5 rule takes effect.

There are, however, way too many individual factors to consider to try enumerating them. They include things like planning a move to take a new job, or anticipating having to go abroad for an extended period of time, among many more. The main thing is to approach the WHEN decision recognizing that there is much more to consider than just the date when the presence calculator shows the prospective applicant is eligible.

Edit to add: A big factor is the thoroughness and accuracy of the prospective applicant's accounting of dates. PRs who have kept contemporaneously made, complete and accurate records of dates of exit and entry are not risking so much when they apply with a small margin. As I noted before, in contrast, this forum is rife with tales of woe from applicants who were absolutely sure they had all their dates right except they did not. A thing to remember about this is that what causes concern is discrepancies, particularly outright omissions . . . even if what is missed actually suggests the applicant was in Canada at a time the applicant did not calculate as in Canada, that will often really hurt. I have addressed this in many discussions before. IRCC does not add those days to the applicant's calculation, but rather will tend to doubt the applicant's credibility. Once the applicant's credibility is in doubt, the dates in between last entry and next exit do not automatically get credited as in Canada (they do in the online calculator, that's how it works).
Thanks for your usual outstanding and detailed responses , for somone like me who is a doctor it may take me 2-3 years to complete my license exams and get a job or even longer! Does this mean even if iam sure of my dates , it is better for me to waite for a year to get a smooth processing as i may not have a work during that period so it mayget the cic to question my residency in canada ?

Thanks again for your time
 

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Thanks for your usual outstanding and detailed responses , for somone like me who is a doctor it may take me 2-3 years to complete my license exams and get a job or even longer! Does this mean even if iam sure of my dates , it is better for me to waite for a year to get a smooth processing as i may not have a work during that period so it mayget the cic to question my residency in canada ?

Thanks again for your time
Most prospective applicants do not need to overthink things. Moreover, it can be misleading to focus too much on this or that particular factor.

Qualified applicants who are well settled in Canada, who follow the instructions, who submit a complete and accurate travel history, who have not had PR RO issues, and who have substantial ties in Canada, generally do not need to worry . . . a margin of 30 days or so should pose no problem, on one hand, but provide a bit of insurance and comforting assurance on the other.

Sure, a continuous work history in Canada tends to make the best case. But the whole picture has a big influence, and how the individual pieces fit into that whole picture will have a big influence.

In contrast, the PR who still has substantial ties abroad, or whose pattern of absences indicates ongoing ties abroad, or whose circumstances indicate reliance on income from abroad, or especially any indication of continuing business or employment abroad, that tends to illuminate a picture inviting questions.

1460 days will do it if IRCC sees no concerns, no cause to question those days. So 1467 or so will do fine. As I noted, I nonetheless lean toward at least 30, since 30 days can go by in a flash, and that extra margin can help one sleep a bit better.

Beyond that, again each person really needs to exercise their own personal judgment about the timing of the application.
 
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