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No Letter from Employer (Unskilled Job)

vijayarr

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Apr 10, 2013
200
3
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O Ottawa
NOC Code......
2171
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
22-04-2013 (Myself), Added spouse to the existing application 20-12-2013
Doc's Request.
28-01-2014 (Spouse relationship questionnaire)
AOR Received.
06-05-2013
IELTS Request
Sent along with application
Med's Request
12-12-2013
Med's Done....
6-01-2014 (Myself), 24-01-2014 (Upfront medicals for Spouse)
And most of all PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO GET A REFERENCE KETTER THAT IS NOT REQUIRED!!!
 

sorrymontana

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Apr 2, 2012
47
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Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
4166
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
12-06-2013
AOR Received.
08-08-2013
Med's Request
12-02-2014
Med's Done....
21-02-2014
Passport Req..
03-03-2014
LANDED..........
03-16-2014
vijayarr said:
And most of all PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO GET A REFERENCE KETTER THAT IS NOT REQUIRED!!!
I contacted CIC, the said they require letters from all employers, including unskilled jobs. However, they didn't sound confident at all, so I guess it's one of those grey areas in the app form.
 

honeysingh

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Feb 20, 2013
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Edmonton
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sorrymontana said:
I have an open 3 year post-graduate work permit which expires in July 2014.

I worked for these two "silly" guys without a contract and they didn't want to do payroll. At the "interview" we just orally agreed they'd pay me $19/ hour and I'll me somewhat receptionist/secretary at their office. I asked them if they'd do all necesary paperwork and they assured it'll be 100% legal.

When I started working, they claimed they can just give me cheques as they are a small business and are not obliged to do payroll. Because I was personally interested in making it look as legal as possible, I ended up registering their company with CRA for payroll and sending cheques with income tax signed by the owner. I counted my hours, and gave the pay cheques for the owner to sign. No vacation pay as I didn't know how to do that. I created my own T4s but didn't send another copy to CRA on the behalf of my employer because I didn't know at that point this is something companies are supposed to do and my employer obviously didn't bother. They always asked me to wait with depositing my pay cheques as they didn't have enough money on their account. No need to say, our relationship was very informal: they were immigrants in the past with common background, so they would commonly yell at me, or borrow money from me.

When I finally got a real job offer and told them I'm quitting, one of the owners yelled at me. I told him I'm depositing the cheque for the last two months that I was holding on to as he asked me not to deposit it as they (again!) didn't have enough money on their account. He said if I do that, he'll claim that I stole the empty cheques from him and he'll report me to the police. He said I already got all money I deserved. When I suggested to meet and check through online banking how much money I got, how many cheques I deposited and how much they owe me, he hang up. I tried to arrange a meeting with the other guy but he kept postponing it and inviting me to the streap club instead. I gave up. It all happened last summer. I emailed them asking to pay me the money that they owed me, the guy called me and literally said "WTF?" I called Alberta Employment-something asking what I should do, they advised me to write a complaint. I never did because my friends-lawyers advised me not to, if they do accuse me of something i didn't do, and even if I'm cleared, I'll still have a police record of being accused of something. Good bye, immigration then. I applied to get a Record of Employment from them through Alberta- Employment in May 2012, but I never heard from them so far. I guess they were not successful either.

So yeah, it's technically a legal job but not that much. I said good bye to almost $3000 they owe me and I don't wish these guys to get in trouble, I just want to get my paperwork done.
Well I had the same story , "M****** F******" employer took $7900 for my payroll for 5 months. And that too for $14.25/hr and 37.5 hrs / week. He had given me all *censored word*ty reasons for that....and finally he paid just 2100 as per my t4. So totally $5400.. I know how much I have to work to make $1000....


Anyways good luck to you and all people out there....... just need a happy ending like in movies :D
 

vijayarr

Hero Member
Apr 10, 2013
200
3
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O Ottawa
NOC Code......
2171
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
22-04-2013 (Myself), Added spouse to the existing application 20-12-2013
Doc's Request.
28-01-2014 (Spouse relationship questionnaire)
AOR Received.
06-05-2013
IELTS Request
Sent along with application
Med's Request
12-12-2013
Med's Done....
6-01-2014 (Myself), 24-01-2014 (Upfront medicals for Spouse)
sorrymontana said:
I contacted CIC, the said they require letters from all employers, including unskilled jobs. However, they didn't sound confident at all, so I guess it's one of those grey areas in the app form.
@sorrymontana: I still insist not submitting too many reference letters. Reference letters are key documents and if you produce a bunch of them then there is room for more error. Keep it simple and submit only reference letters for skilled jobs.
 

jes_ON

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30-Jun-2011
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I agree with jsm and cruiser - just write a letter of explanation, include the relevant employment details and a copy of the T4, that will cover your bases. And kudos to you for reading the instructions and trying to follow them!!!
 

Ottawa10

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Aug 24, 2011
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Hi all,

I did not include a reference letter for unskilled work.
The duration of the unskilled work is only 3 months (when I was in school). I did mention this under the work experience but the I indicated the NOC code as N/A. I'm sure I can get a letter from my old boss but I just did not think I would need a reference letter from unskilled work. I guess I should send this off to visa office?
 

sorrymontana

Full Member
Apr 2, 2012
47
0
Category........
Visa Office......
CPP-O
NOC Code......
4166
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
12-06-2013
AOR Received.
08-08-2013
Med's Request
12-02-2014
Med's Done....
21-02-2014
Passport Req..
03-03-2014
LANDED..........
03-16-2014
jes_ON said:
I agree with jsm and cruiser - just write a letter of explanation, include the relevant employment details and a copy of the T4, that will cover your bases. And kudos to you for reading the instructions and trying to follow them!!!
:) I created my own T4s for this employer during tax submission period for my own convenience so not sure how legit they are. The CRA doesn't have a copy of these T4s. Basically the only docs I can provide are those T4s and copies of cheques the owner signed for me- I took copies of them every time before depositing them to the bank. I also took copies of the cheques I deposited to CRA on the employer's behalf- income tax/pension/EI cheques. That's basically the only "docs" I have. Oh, and I also have a bunch of phone numbers of telemarketers who I hired during my work there- they can prove I exist.

Not sure how "open" I should be in my explanation letter, whether I should explain that my employer didn't pay for the last two months and didn't provide any docs after hiring/during employment/after quitting and basically threatened me over the phone. Or should I be brief and say something like "was not able to get a letter of employment, contacted by phone and by email, here are employer's details"...