No invitation for oath 8 months after exam
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I think we should write letters to PM, Citizenship minister, local MP(I am already thinking too, waiting for atip) because CIC don't feel to be accountable even when CIC commit something, like they informed us very clearly that we will get oath in 3 months(exam was in august 2015). Even they said if you need urgent, let us know we will do our best. Leaving urgent, their 3 months(from august) not finished yet and they don't bother to contact. They know that we are at receiving side and can't do any thing so they seems not to responsible here
What do you mean by due date for the residency? FOSS clearance or something else? I've passed everything, there is an issue with CBSA which i hope to figure out when i get my ATIP from CBSA.andrew7007 said:
My FOSS clearance expired on Nov.2015 and as one of the call agents told me a week ago, they will send a reminder to update that.
My MP's office has drafted the letter and sent it to St.Clair office, on what they've got a reply a week ago; ' The application is processing normally through our system and we regret any delays that may have experiences. Processing the application urgently would require that the client's situation meet certain very specific conditions'.
Now what the bloody 'urgent' processing means in this situation, when they delay it by 8 months ?
There was a case with this guy http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/scarborough-office-timeline-after-test-t266529.0.html;msg4843605#msg4843605regg4791 said:
he passed the test, but Scarberia office forgot to update his test status, he waited for 9 months before call agent noticed this mistake and sent the reminder to the CIC office. That guy got his Oath soon after that.
There might be a similar situation with your wife's case.
When you get your ATIP please note ELIGIBILITY ASSESSMENT : 2 which is for residence and in this section there is a Due Date : 2016/03/21 in my ATIP.
ambient2 said:
I don't have this line at all, I have ABSENCE ASSESSMENT (I was out of country a few times while PR but applied only after 1106 days after I came back (and year before applying got my updated PR card)). First page ; CASES Basic Residence: 1460 Days, Physical presence: 1106 Days. On the last page I have SUB ACTIVITY: type - Residency Calculation, Status - Completedandrew7007 said:
I had requested for an electronic ATIP and I got a 30 page pdf file in email after one month of request. Residency: In progress Oath: not started.
ambient2 said:
I went through GCMS notes example - https://www.gcmsnotes.com/Sample_GCMS_File.pdfandrew7007 said:
It seems like people who applied for PR with the different pretext (family, skilled worker, etc. )might have different ATIP notes, because in my file there is nothing like Residency: in process or it doesn't even have the word Oath, it's either Ceremony or Scheduled Citizenship Ceremony . My file is 25 pages
Hello ambient2,ambient2 said:
You hit the nail in the head my friend! That´s exactly what's going on. Today my wife and I went to our MP's office and had a meeting with a constituency assistant. The lady is a star of the customer service, and right after showing my wife's ATIP report she called someone at CIC, and after waiting a few minutes, the CIC officer admitted (for the first time) something went wrong with my wife's file. She said someone "forgot" to update the results of her exam and then everything got stuck.
Here's what I think is the sequence of the process: 1-) CIC officers run all the assessments but do not update the file. 2-) Once the assessments are passed, then they send the notice to write the exam. 3-) If the exam is passed, then they update the file with the results of all assessments (knowledge, language, residence, etc.) which will change the status to "Decision Made". 4-) The notice of oath is sent. I noticed this sequence in my ATIP report in which I can see the assessments were updated the same day I took the exam. Now I realize that someone "missed" to enter the results form my wife's exam and everything came to a halt. I really hope this is going to get her case unstuck and eventually receive the invitation for oath.
Morals of this story:
1-) If you are part of a family application, if there's no oath a month after the exam, than request ATIP for all adults, as an issue with one could affect the rest of the family.
2-) Don't waste your time calling CIC yourself. Six months after the exam, my wife called and they said everything was "OK" with her file and simply sent a notice to the Scarborough office. But when they receive a call from a constituency assistant, it seems they take it seriously and they check the file thoroughly. If you don't receive the notice for oath a month after the exam, request a ATIP report and contact your MP.
I hope this will help others. I'll post again if anything new happens.
All the best
I hope the minister and his team doesn't show us the day when we are witnessing the current Syrian refugees taking oath earlier than us due to the delay!
I have already witnesses the Afghan interpreter arriving after 2 or 3 years of me and citizenship ministers photo couple of days with him in the oath ceremony.
Only difference I had no option but to travel intermittently due to nature of work and this guy may have stayed continuously because of his nature of job!
I have already witnesses the Afghan interpreter arriving after 2 or 3 years of me and citizenship ministers photo couple of days with him in the oath ceremony.
Only difference I had no option but to travel intermittently due to nature of work and this guy may have stayed continuously because of his nature of job!
I'm glad that your wife's applications will move forward now. Not sure about the morals of the story tho. The fact that federal employee can "forget" about such a crucial part of the process (and as you can see It happens often) is a preposterous thing.regg4791 said:
Hi ambient2,
I agree with you 100%. It's ridiculous nowadays to "forget" to update a system that has fail-safes like "due dates" and other measures. I'm assuming backlog/"forgotten" cases are part of the metrics they're monitoring, but based on many applicants experiences, it seems as either the process is more manual (prompt to human error) than we think or they simply don't care (which I doubt).
My personal policy when I'm dealing with things that are out of my control is to assume the worse case scenario and define a counter measure based on that. My suggestions are oriented to take the local CIC officers out of the equation and taking actions that seem to be more effective than just assuming many unknowns (like they're doing they're job, etc.) and wait for the best.
In my opinion, it's evident there are many inconsistencies in the process (Eg. inconsistency in sending notices and analyzing a case when the applicant complains, etc.) which are typical of a manual process. Based on the issues reported by other applicants and my own case, I can safely say now the process is very prompt to human error, hence my suggestions.
Hopefully, after receiving a million calls from MP offices, someone (hopefully the Immigration Minister) will take action to fix the situation.
I agree with you 100%. It's ridiculous nowadays to "forget" to update a system that has fail-safes like "due dates" and other measures. I'm assuming backlog/"forgotten" cases are part of the metrics they're monitoring, but based on many applicants experiences, it seems as either the process is more manual (prompt to human error) than we think or they simply don't care (which I doubt).
My personal policy when I'm dealing with things that are out of my control is to assume the worse case scenario and define a counter measure based on that. My suggestions are oriented to take the local CIC officers out of the equation and taking actions that seem to be more effective than just assuming many unknowns (like they're doing they're job, etc.) and wait for the best.
In my opinion, it's evident there are many inconsistencies in the process (Eg. inconsistency in sending notices and analyzing a case when the applicant complains, etc.) which are typical of a manual process. Based on the issues reported by other applicants and my own case, I can safely say now the process is very prompt to human error, hence my suggestions.
Hopefully, after receiving a million calls from MP offices, someone (hopefully the Immigration Minister) will take action to fix the situation.