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POLESTAR1 said:
It could be likened to the triumphant entry into Jerusalem. Just the way that particular entry into Jerusalem was spectacular than the previous, so also was this entry to Canada for me.

The triumphant entry of the Lord was done with him riding on an Ass; mine was done through the airport as against my previous entries which were through the land borders from the US.

The Lord entered into Jerusalem with him being acknowledged as the Messiah and the king, my entry was as a Permanent Residence as against the previous visits a just tourist.

Christ previous visits to Jerusalem will probably be with just his disciples but the triumphant entry was with mammoth crowd. I was a lone traveler on my previous entries but this time around, the entry was with my whole family.

You will sure agree with me that it was a glorious entry.

The journey was on Ethiopian airline, the flight was for 1.35 pm on Monday 16th Dec. 2013. The check-in process was seamless with the usual “do Christmas for us” by the officers.

The first lap of the journey was for 5 hours 10 minutes to Addis Ababa and the meal on board was okay, the flight entertainment system was also nice with something to interest every one. Nigerian movies, cartoon for the kids etc. My kids had a field day with the games.

The stopover was for just 1 hour 55 minutes. This was one of the deciding considerations for choosing the airline. The journey continued at 10.40pm Addis Ababa time for another 6 hours 10 minutes stopping at Rome, Italy for 1 hour for refueling and change of Crew.

The last lap of the trip and the longest was for about 9.30 minutes arriving Pearson International airport, Toronto at about 8.00 am local time. Though the total flying time was about 22 hours, I and my family landed with strength and vigor, we had enough sleep during the flight.

My first action upon landing was to quickly use my wife's MTN BB phone which automatically picked Rogers wireless to log into my account to check that the part of the POF which was in the account is still intact. And then I made my Naira Mastercard to be within reach in case there's need to confirm at the point of entry.

We proceeded to the Canada Border Service Agents and told them that we are Permanent Residents that are just landing, our international passports were requested and after checking and scanning they were handed back to me and we were referred to another section for the proper landing process.

The queue at the next section was short and in about 10 minutes it was our turn. The whole process was very fast about 30minutes in all, before we knew what was happening we found ourselves in the arrival hall, we had to go back to one of the Canada Border Service Agents to confirm if that was all and she said yes. I and my wife had to start arguing with ourselves that the landing process couldn't have been concluded that fast. But we went back to give them our list of goods to follow, though no goods will likely follow.

No one asked us about fund, no one even asked for what we have in our bags. In fact the Lady that attended to us asked us to take a seat while she signs the COPRs and conclude the whole process.

At the point of claiming our baggage, we had to get trolleys with 2 CAD per trolley, since I was not having any CAD on me, I had to withdraw from the Travelex ATM at the baggage reclaim area. I latter realized that the conversion rate of N161.37 to a CAD that I got from the Travelex ATM at the airport was higher than the ones that belong to banks. My subsequent withdrawals and purchases on the POS with my Naira Master cards were converted at rates between N152 to N154 to a CAD. So note that you'll get better rates on banks ATMs outside the airport.

Other processes have been seamless as well, we now have SIN numbers, we have opened accounts and apply for credit cards. I have also gotten a telephone line.

Pa Seglad and Ma Seglad have been so so wonderful, taking us to all the places we need to be and giving all the required direction even with their very tight schedule. I was just wondering how we would have been able to cope without them, not with the very chilling weather. I pray that the Lord will continue to uphold them.

Walking out of the airport last Tuesday into the cold morning, I watched as my daughter scooped snow with her hand in excitement saying she wanted to make snowman. I felt exited too, but not as a result of the snow but because of our new status: Permanent Residents. I flashed my mind to 2009 when I conceived this vision and then remembered the words of Prophet Habakkuk in chapter 3 of his book which says:

“Write the vision
And make it plain on tablets,
That he may run who reads it.
For the vision is yet for an appointed time;
But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie.
Though it tarries, wait for it;
Because it will surely come,
It will not tarry.
Congratulations once again on your Landing; God's blessings always and wishing many more good things to follow...
Nice write up!
 

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ekundapsy said:
Hello, Dear Colin...
You have asked a very important question, one that I have been asking myself for a few weeks since I will also be landing soon.
First let us start by saying that looking at the requirements for Canadian immigration, the essence of the Proof of funds is that you should be able to sustain yourself and dependants for a minimum of 6 months on arrival in Canada, assuming you do not get employment by that date. This is an important concept, since the government of Canada will not offer you financial assistance in that period.
Second, the POF is an essential part of admissibility into Canada at the Point of entry. Infact, the four things listed on the CIC website that will determine admissibility, are your travel documents, valid entry visas, COPRs and the POF. The officer at the POE must ascertain that you have enough POF, at least, the minimum required of you and your dependants.
In summary, you must have your POF, or else, you may be denied entry.

However, the question of how to 'carry' the POF now arises. On the CIC website, they didn't mention HOW to carry it. That is the main crux of the matter. They only said that if you have cash, draft or travellers' cheques exceeding $10,000, you must declare to immigrations at point of entry. A lot of us have assumed that these are the only acceptable ways of carrying the POF to show at the POE. What the website says is that this fund must be READILY ACCESSIBLE to us when we land.


Where we are going is this. It is more reassuring to carry cash, since no one can deny that we have money when we show cash. But virtually all POF is above the $10,000 limit, and must be declared at both MMIA, your stop over airport, and the POE in Canada. And a lot of us are very very very wary of carrying such large amounts of money as cash passing through unsecured departure lounges after declaring them. We hear a lot of stories of people who take such risks, and are victims of theft, etc.
The Mastercard from Nigerian banks (most banks now have a Naira mastercard that you can use at almost any ATM or POS in most nations of the world, before, it was the sole territory of GTBank) offers a more convenient way of carrying cash around. BUT IS THIS ACCEPTABLE AT THE POE?
That is the crux of this matter. Even the mighty Qorax did not talk about the mastercard in his submission, he only addressed the idea that Bank statements are a no no..... http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t39318.0.html

Now, going to the landing experience of most people.
About 90% of landed Permanent residents have said that their POF was not even counted or inspected. One or two people said that they were asked for the POF and the immigration officer counted to see if it was complete.
A few persons have used the mastercard as PART of their POF, and all of them said the immigration officer they saw did not raise an eyebrow.
I am yet to see anywhere on the CIC website FAQs where the mastercard was said to be acceptable or unacceptable.
First principle here, is that no two people have the same experience at the POE concerning landing.
Putting these together, I think (emphasis on think) thus:
The CIC has not specifically said they will not accept mastercard at the POE as a form of POF. All they have said is that your POF MUST BE ACCESSIBLE to you. We know that the mastercard brand is trusted worldwide, and our nigerian accounts are accessible to us through the mastercard, and I want to guess that the immigration officer at the POE should know that too.
Since some people have had the experience with mastercard, and are enjoying Canada now, I want to surmise that mastercard should be an acceptable POF. Let us bear in mind that POF instrument is not a specific. IT is a range in a continuum, which includes cash, drafts and travellers' cheques (and maybe mastercard). And looking at the whole immigration process, where everything is spelt out with guidelines every step of the way, I will doubt that something as important as POF would not have been spelt out with guidelines in the training of Immigration officers at the POE. The fact that people have passed with mastercard and sailed thru, should mean that it is acceptable in the range of POF instruments.

Having said all that, let me list the POF experience of some people on this forum, and what they have done. You might take a cue from some of them.
1. Most people carry cash. Amongst these people, some declare at the airport, and some don't declare. I will vehemently discourage not declaring at MMIA if you have over 10k dollars on you. Although some people get away with this, a) its breaking the law. b) if you're caught, there will be hell to pay.
OF THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY CASH, some split them between spouses. For example in your case, Collins, if you want to carry your $12,000 in cash, and you are travelling with your spouse, the wise thing will be to split it between the two of you. That way, you both carry what is below the declarable limit at all airports. Nobody will question you why you have $6,000 in cash on you. HOWEVER, NOTE THAT YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO DECLARE IT AT THE POE TO THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER. This is because, you as the principal applicant are the one carrying the POF, although it is split between you and your spouse. I STAND CORRECTED ON THIS MATTER.
2. People generally discourage carrying drafts of the money. This is actually the safest way to transit with such large amounts of money, as the draft, if stolen, is useless to whoever is daft enough to steal it. Why people discourage this, is because it might take up to 3 months to cash the draft. If you are patient enough for that, then, this is the absolute best way for you.
3. I haven't seen anyone who used travellers' cheques.
4. A few people have carried their POF part in cash and part using the Mastercard from one of the Nigerian banks. Of the few people I've read their experience, one had cash of up to $16,000 on him, which was just a little short of the POF, and told the immigration officer that rest is on his mastercard, and there were no further questions. Another person had less than $10k and there were also no further questions.

My submission is this: It is very risky to carry cash around like that. People do it, but for some of us fainthearted, its almost a no no. If you can wait for 3 months, your best bet is to cut a draft and travel with it. If you can't, carry cash and split the money into two and share between you and your spouse. You can also carry about $9k in cash and the rest on your mastercard.
And pray that you will meet the same immigration officers our other guys met at the POE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This post does not address the question of building a credit history in Canada, I don't have any thought on that. But I think what Colins was asking was just at the POE. it is however cheaper to shop with your mastercard over there, than buying Dollars from the black market at a higher rate and spending there in Canada. Your money is safer. And for people who want to first land and return to Nigeria before finally leaving, it is the best way to go. For people who have finally settled, or are not coming back in the short term, opening a bank account and building your credit history is very important.
PLS, OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD KINDLY COMMENT ON ALL I'VE POSTED ABOVE.
This is a wonderful contribution and also a solid clarification on the POF issue; you have really done a lengthy research to have arrived here...nice write up!

It's what I have been telling people that have been so worried about taking all the POF with them, "any Naija Mastercard can do the job for you; just get along with some cash and keep the rest in the account"

+1 for you, keep the good job rolling
 

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ekundapsy said:
Hello, Dear Colin...
You have asked a very important question, one that I have been asking myself for a few weeks since I will also be landing soon.
First let us start by saying that looking at the requirements for Canadian immigration, the essence of the Proof of funds is that you should be able to sustain yourself and dependants for a minimum of 6 months on arrival in Canada, assuming you do not get employment by that date. This is an important concept, since the government of Canada will not offer you financial assistance in that period.
Second, the POF is an essential part of admissibility into Canada at the Point of entry. Infact, the four things listed on the CIC website that will determine admissibility, are your travel documents, valid entry visas, COPRs and the POF. The officer at the POE must ascertain that you have enough POF, at least, the minimum required of you and your dependants.
In summary, you must have your POF, or else, you may be denied entry.

However, the question of how to 'carry' the POF now arises. On the CIC website, they didn't mention HOW to carry it. That is the main crux of the matter. They only said that if you have cash, draft or travellers' cheques exceeding $10,000, you must declare to immigrations at point of entry. A lot of us have assumed that these are the only acceptable ways of carrying the POF to show at the POE. What the website says is that this fund must be READILY ACCESSIBLE to us when we land.


Where we are going is this. It is more reassuring to carry cash, since no one can deny that we have money when we show cash. But virtually all POF is above the $10,000 limit, and must be declared at both MMIA, your stop over airport, and the POE in Canada. And a lot of us are very very very wary of carrying such large amounts of money as cash passing through unsecured departure lounges after declaring them. We hear a lot of stories of people who take such risks, and are victims of theft, etc.
The Mastercard from Nigerian banks (most banks now have a Naira mastercard that you can use at almost any ATM or POS in most nations of the world, before, it was the sole territory of GTBank) offers a more convenient way of carrying cash around. BUT IS THIS ACCEPTABLE AT THE POE?
That is the crux of this matter. Even the mighty Qorax did not talk about the mastercard in his submission, he only addressed the idea that Bank statements are a no no..... http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t39318.0.html

Now, going to the landing experience of most people.
About 90% of landed Permanent residents have said that their POF was not even counted or inspected. One or two people said that they were asked for the POF and the immigration officer counted to see if it was complete.
A few persons have used the mastercard as PART of their POF, and all of them said the immigration officer they saw did not raise an eyebrow.
I am yet to see anywhere on the CIC website FAQs where the mastercard was said to be acceptable or unacceptable.
First principle here, is that no two people have the same experience at the POE concerning landing.
Putting these together, I think (emphasis on think) thus:
The CIC has not specifically said they will not accept mastercard at the POE as a form of POF. All they have said is that your POF MUST BE ACCESSIBLE to you. We know that the mastercard brand is trusted worldwide, and our nigerian accounts are accessible to us through the mastercard, and I want to guess that the immigration officer at the POE should know that too.
Since some people have had the experience with mastercard, and are enjoying Canada now, I want to surmise that mastercard should be an acceptable POF. Let us bear in mind that POF instrument is not a specific. IT is a range in a continuum, which includes cash, drafts and travellers' cheques (and maybe mastercard). And looking at the whole immigration process, where everything is spelt out with guidelines every step of the way, I will doubt that something as important as POF would not have been spelt out with guidelines in the training of Immigration officers at the POE. The fact that people have passed with mastercard and sailed thru, should mean that it is acceptable in the range of POF instruments.

Having said all that, let me list the POF experience of some people on this forum, and what they have done. You might take a cue from some of them.
1. Most people carry cash. Amongst these people, some declare at the airport, and some don't declare. I will vehemently discourage not declaring at MMIA if you have over 10k dollars on you. Although some people get away with this, a) its breaking the law. b) if you're caught, there will be hell to pay.
OF THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY CASH, some split them between spouses. For example in your case, Collins, if you want to carry your $12,000 in cash, and you are travelling with your spouse, the wise thing will be to split it between the two of you. That way, you both carry what is below the declarable limit at all airports. Nobody will question you why you have $6,000 in cash on you. HOWEVER, NOTE THAT YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO DECLARE IT AT THE POE TO THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER. This is because, you as the principal applicant are the one carrying the POF, although it is split between you and your spouse. I STAND CORRECTED ON THIS MATTER.
2. People generally discourage carrying drafts of the money. This is actually the safest way to transit with such large amounts of money, as the draft, if stolen, is useless to whoever is daft enough to steal it. Why people discourage this, is because it might take up to 3 months to cash the draft. If you are patient enough for that, then, this is the absolute best way for you.
3. I haven't seen anyone who used travellers' cheques.
4. A few people have carried their POF part in cash and part using the Mastercard from one of the Nigerian banks. Of the few people I've read their experience, one had cash of up to $16,000 on him, which was just a little short of the POF, and told the immigration officer that rest is on his mastercard, and there were no further questions. Another person had less than $10k and there were also no further questions.

My submission is this: It is very risky to carry cash around like that. People do it, but for some of us fainthearted, its almost a no no. If you can wait for 3 months, your best bet is to cut a draft and travel with it. If you can't, carry cash and split the money into two and share between you and your spouse. You can also carry about $9k in cash and the rest on your mastercard.
And pray that you will meet the same immigration officers our other guys met at the POE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This post does not address the question of building a credit history in Canada, I don't have any thought on that. But I think what Colins was asking was just at the POE. it is however cheaper to shop with your mastercard over there, than buying Dollars from the black market at a higher rate and spending there in Canada. Your money is safer. And for people who want to first land and return to Nigeria before finally leaving, it is the best way to go. For people who have finally settled, or are not coming back in the short term, opening a bank account and building your credit history is very important.
PLS, OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD KINDLY COMMENT ON ALL I'VE POSTED ABOVE.

This is a wonderful contribution and also a solid clarification on the POF issue; you have really done a lengthy research to have arrived here...nice write up!

It's what I have been telling people that have been so worried about taking all the POF with them, "any Naija Mastercard can do the job for you; just get along with some cash and keep the rest in the account"

+1 for you, keep the good job rolling
 

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eshin said:
Thank you for ur quick response. I saw the application period on net btw may 2013-april 2014...does dis mean dey r going to stop collecting applications after this deadline. Am planing to send documents to wes in january and write d ielts as well......any info the house can give in submission of my application.am in need of help
Yes, they are going to stop accepting application by April 2014 for the year...another should commence after a stop as been put on this present FSWP

You can still meet up if you can do both IELTS and WES Credential Accreditation as you've claimed on January and send it with the rest of your documents to CIO latest by March via DHL..

Nothing is impossible my friend!
The Sky could your limit!!
All the best!!!
 

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donwin4real said:
This is a wonderful contribution and also a solid clarification on the POF issue; you have really done a lengthy research to have arrived here...nice write up!

It's what I have been telling people that have been so worried about taking all the POF with them, "any Naija Mastercard can do the job for you; just get along with some cash and keep the rest in the account"

+1 for you, keep the good job rolling

Thanks, donwin4real....
I really appreciate the compliment. :) :) :)
It's just my thoughts, though.....
I want other people to comment on what I've said, especially landed seniors and their experience.
 

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ekundapsy said:
Thanks, donwin4real....
I really appreciate the compliment. :) :) :)
It's just my thoughts, though.....
I want other people to comment on what I've said, especially landed seniors and their experience.
Thanks. In my opinion, there isn't any fast rule to this. Good to go with whatever you feel about this - no one can decide for anyone what steps to take. It is always advisable not to be around troubled waters!. The immigration officers will be making their own judgement based on their own discretion - their decision will be based on what they have found on ground when you arrive. It is always better to stay in the path of caution - have with you what CIC has demanded for, avoid any kind of regrets, Make it impossible for anyone to turn you back for any reason - to avoid 'too late matter'. If any rejection happens at the POE, then it will be too late and nobody from this forum - will be able to assist you when the ships are down - 'no matter the grammar we blow'. Please go with your instinct and more importantly - good to do the right thing as demanded by CIC on POF at the POE to avoid any embarrassment. This is my take on this matter, think of the future and what you stand to gain and forget the minor issues or inconvenience you may have due to CIC regulation on the POF requirement at POE. Good to stand on the path of the law only, that is when one is protected.
 

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POLESTAR1 said:
It could be likened to the triumphant entry into Jerusalem. Just the way that particular entry into Jerusalem was spectacular than the previous, so also was this entry to Canada for me.

The triumphant entry of the Lord was done with him riding on an Ass; mine was done through the airport as against my previous entries which were through the land borders from the US.

The Lord entered into Jerusalem with him being acknowledged as the Messiah and the king, my entry was as a Permanent Residence as against the previous visits a just tourist.

Christ previous visits to Jerusalem will probably be with just his disciples but the triumphant entry was with mammoth crowd. I was a lone traveler on my previous entries but this time around, the entry was with my whole family.

You will sure agree with me that it was a glorious entry.

The journey was on Ethiopian airline, the flight was for 1.35 pm on Monday 16th Dec. 2013. The check-in process was seamless with the usual “do Christmas for us” by the officers.

The first lap of the journey was for 5 hours 10 minutes to Addis Ababa and the meal on board was okay, the flight entertainment system was also nice with something to interest every one. Nigerian movies, cartoon for the kids etc. My kids had a field day with the games.

The stopover was for just 1 hour 55 minutes. This was one of the deciding considerations for choosing the airline. The journey continued at 10.40pm Addis Ababa time for another 6 hours 10 minutes stopping at Rome, Italy for 1 hour for refueling and change of Crew.

The last lap of the trip and the longest was for about 9.30 minutes arriving Pearson International airport, Toronto at about 8.00 am local time. Though the total flying time was about 22 hours, I and my family landed with strength and vigor, we had enough sleep during the flight.

My first action upon landing was to quickly use my wife's MTN BB phone which automatically picked Rogers wireless to log into my account to check that the part of the POF which was in the account is still intact. And then I made my Naira Mastercard to be within reach in case there's need to confirm at the point of entry.

We proceeded to the Canada Border Service Agents and told them that we are Permanent Residents that are just landing, our international passports were requested and after checking and scanning they were handed back to me and we were referred to another section for the proper landing process.

The queue at the next section was short and in about 10 minutes it was our turn. The whole process was very fast about 30minutes in all, before we knew what was happening we found ourselves in the arrival hall, we had to go back to one of the Canada Border Service Agents to confirm if that was all and she said yes. I and my wife had to start arguing with ourselves that the landing process couldn't have been concluded that fast. But we went back to give them our list of goods to follow, though no goods will likely follow.

No one asked us about fund, no one even asked for what we have in our bags. In fact the Lady that attended to us asked us to take a seat while she signs the COPRs and conclude the whole process.

At the point of claiming our baggage, we had to get trolleys with 2 CAD per trolley, since I was not having any CAD on me, I had to withdraw from the Travelex ATM at the baggage reclaim area. I latter realized that the conversion rate of N161.37 to a CAD that I got from the Travelex ATM at the airport was higher than the ones that belong to banks. My subsequent withdrawals and purchases on the POS with my Naira Master cards were converted at rates between N152 to N154 to a CAD. So note that you'll get better rates on banks ATMs outside the airport.

Other processes have been seamless as well, we now have SIN numbers, we have opened accounts and apply for credit cards. I have also gotten a telephone line.

Pa Seglad and Ma Seglad have been so so wonderful, taking us to all the places we need to be and giving all the required direction even with their very tight schedule. I was just wondering how we would have been able to cope without them, not with the very chilling weather. I pray that the Lord will continue to uphold them.

Walking out of the airport last Tuesday into the cold morning, I watched as my daughter scooped snow with her hand in excitement saying she wanted to make snowman. I felt exited too, but not as a result of the snow but because of our new status: Permanent Residents. I flashed my mind to 2009 when I conceived this vision and then remembered the words of Prophet Habakkuk in chapter 3 of his book which says:

“Write the vision
And make it plain on tablets,
That he may run who reads it.
For the vision is yet for an appointed time;
But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie.
Though it tarries, wait for it;
Because it will surely come,
It will not tarry.
Congratulations and best wishes as you settle in
 

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ekundapsy said:
Hello, Dear Colin...
You have asked a very important question, one that I have been asking myself for a few weeks since I will also be landing soon.
First let us start by saying that looking at the requirements for Canadian immigration, the essence of the Proof of funds is that you should be able to sustain yourself and dependants for a minimum of 6 months on arrival in Canada, assuming you do not get employment by that date. This is an important concept, since the government of Canada will not offer you financial assistance in that period.
Second, the POF is an essential part of admissibility into Canada at the Point of entry. Infact, the four things listed on the CIC website that will determine admissibility, are your travel documents, valid entry visas, COPRs and the POF. The officer at the POE must ascertain that you have enough POF, at least, the minimum required of you and your dependants.
In summary, you must have your POF, or else, you may be denied entry.

However, the question of how to 'carry' the POF now arises. On the CIC website, they didn't mention HOW to carry it. That is the main crux of the matter. They only said that if you have cash, draft or travellers' cheques exceeding $10,000, you must declare to immigrations at point of entry. A lot of us have assumed that these are the only acceptable ways of carrying the POF to show at the POE. What the website says is that this fund must be READILY ACCESSIBLE to us when we land.


Where we are going is this. It is more reassuring to carry cash, since no one can deny that we have money when we show cash. But virtually all POF is above the $10,000 limit, and must be declared at both MMIA, your stop over airport, and the POE in Canada. And a lot of us are very very very wary of carrying such large amounts of money as cash passing through unsecured departure lounges after declaring them. We hear a lot of stories of people who take such risks, and are victims of theft, etc.
The Mastercard from Nigerian banks (most banks now have a Naira mastercard that you can use at almost any ATM or POS in most nations of the world, before, it was the sole territory of GTBank) offers a more convenient way of carrying cash around. BUT IS THIS ACCEPTABLE AT THE POE?
That is the crux of this matter. Even the mighty Qorax did not talk about the mastercard in his submission, he only addressed the idea that Bank statements are a no no..... http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t39318.0.html

Now, going to the landing experience of most people.
About 90% of landed Permanent residents have said that their POF was not even counted or inspected. One or two people said that they were asked for the POF and the immigration officer counted to see if it was complete.
A few persons have used the mastercard as PART of their POF, and all of them said the immigration officer they saw did not raise an eyebrow.
I am yet to see anywhere on the CIC website FAQs where the mastercard was said to be acceptable or unacceptable.
First principle here, is that no two people have the same experience at the POE concerning landing.
Putting these together, I think (emphasis on think) thus:
The CIC has not specifically said they will not accept mastercard at the POE as a form of POF. All they have said is that your POF MUST BE ACCESSIBLE to you. We know that the mastercard brand is trusted worldwide, and our nigerian accounts are accessible to us through the mastercard, and I want to guess that the immigration officer at the POE should know that too.
Since some people have had the experience with mastercard, and are enjoying Canada now, I want to surmise that mastercard should be an acceptable POF. Let us bear in mind that POF instrument is not a specific. IT is a range in a continuum, which includes cash, drafts and travellers' cheques (and maybe mastercard). And looking at the whole immigration process, where everything is spelt out with guidelines every step of the way, I will doubt that something as important as POF would not have been spelt out with guidelines in the training of Immigration officers at the POE. The fact that people have passed with mastercard and sailed thru, should mean that it is acceptable in the range of POF instruments.

Having said all that, let me list the POF experience of some people on this forum, and what they have done. You might take a cue from some of them.
1. Most people carry cash. Amongst these people, some declare at the airport, and some don't declare. I will vehemently discourage not declaring at MMIA if you have over 10k dollars on you. Although some people get away with this, a) its breaking the law. b) if you're caught, there will be hell to pay.
OF THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY CASH, some split them between spouses. For example in your case, Collins, if you want to carry your $12,000 in cash, and you are travelling with your spouse, the wise thing will be to split it between the two of you. That way, you both carry what is below the declarable limit at all airports. Nobody will question you why you have $6,000 in cash on you. HOWEVER, NOTE THAT YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO DECLARE IT AT THE POE TO THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER. This is because, you as the principal applicant are the one carrying the POF, although it is split between you and your spouse. I STAND CORRECTED ON THIS MATTER.
2. People generally discourage carrying drafts of the money. This is actually the safest way to transit with such large amounts of money, as the draft, if stolen, is useless to whoever is daft enough to steal it. Why people discourage this, is because it might take up to 3 months to cash the draft. If you are patient enough for that, then, this is the absolute best way for you.
3. I haven't seen anyone who used travellers' cheques.
4. A few people have carried their POF part in cash and part using the Mastercard from one of the Nigerian banks. Of the few people I've read their experience, one had cash of up to $16,000 on him, which was just a little short of the POF, and told the immigration officer that rest is on his mastercard, and there were no further questions. Another person had less than $10k and there were also no further questions.

My submission is this: It is very risky to carry cash around like that. People do it, but for some of us fainthearted, its almost a no no. If you can wait for 3 months, your best bet is to cut a draft and travel with it. If you can't, carry cash and split the money into two and share between you and your spouse. You can also carry about $9k in cash and the rest on your mastercard.
And pray that you will meet the same immigration officers our other guys met at the POE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This post does not address the question of building a credit history in Canada, I don't have any thought on that. But I think what Colins was asking was just at the POE. it is however cheaper to shop with your mastercard over there, than buying Dollars from the black market at a higher rate and spending there in Canada. Your money is safer. And for people who want to first land and return to Nigeria before finally leaving, it is the best way to go. For people who have finally settled, or are not coming back in the short term, opening a bank account and building your credit history is very important.
PLS, OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD KINDLY COMMENT ON ALL I'VE POSTED ABOVE.
Excellent piece Ekundapsy!!!
 

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ekundapsy said:
Hello, Dear Colin...
You have asked a very important question, one that I have been asking myself for a few weeks since I will also be landing soon.
First let us start by saying that looking at the requirements for Canadian immigration, the essence of the Proof of funds is that you should be able to sustain yourself and dependants for a minimum of 6 months on arrival in Canada, assuming you do not get employment by that date. This is an important concept, since the government of Canada will not offer you financial assistance in that period.
Second, the POF is an essential part of admissibility into Canada at the Point of entry. Infact, the four things listed on the CIC website that will determine admissibility, are your travel documents, valid entry visas, COPRs and the POF. The officer at the POE must ascertain that you have enough POF, at least, the minimum required of you and your dependants.
In summary, you must have your POF, or else, you may be denied entry.

However, the question of how to 'carry' the POF now arises. On the CIC website, they didn't mention HOW to carry it. That is the main crux of the matter. They only said that if you have cash, draft or travellers' cheques exceeding $10,000, you must declare to immigrations at point of entry. A lot of us have assumed that these are the only acceptable ways of carrying the POF to show at the POE. What the website says is that this fund must be READILY ACCESSIBLE to us when we land.


Where we are going is this. It is more reassuring to carry cash, since no one can deny that we have money when we show cash. But virtually all POF is above the $10,000 limit, and must be declared at both MMIA, your stop over airport, and the POE in Canada. And a lot of us are very very very wary of carrying such large amounts of money as cash passing through unsecured departure lounges after declaring them. We hear a lot of stories of people who take such risks, and are victims of theft, etc.
The Mastercard from Nigerian banks (most banks now have a Naira mastercard that you can use at almost any ATM or POS in most nations of the world, before, it was the sole territory of GTBank) offers a more convenient way of carrying cash around. BUT IS THIS ACCEPTABLE AT THE POE?
That is the crux of this matter. Even the mighty Qorax did not talk about the mastercard in his submission, he only addressed the idea that Bank statements are a no no..... http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t39318.0.html

Now, going to the landing experience of most people.
About 90% of landed Permanent residents have said that their POF was not even counted or inspected. One or two people said that they were asked for the POF and the immigration officer counted to see if it was complete.
A few persons have used the mastercard as PART of their POF, and all of them said the immigration officer they saw did not raise an eyebrow.
I am yet to see anywhere on the CIC website FAQs where the mastercard was said to be acceptable or unacceptable.
First principle here, is that no two people have the same experience at the POE concerning landing.
Putting these together, I think (emphasis on think) thus:
The CIC has not specifically said they will not accept mastercard at the POE as a form of POF. All they have said is that your POF MUST BE ACCESSIBLE to you. We know that the mastercard brand is trusted worldwide, and our nigerian accounts are accessible to us through the mastercard, and I want to guess that the immigration officer at the POE should know that too.
Since some people have had the experience with mastercard, and are enjoying Canada now, I want to surmise that mastercard should be an acceptable POF. Let us bear in mind that POF instrument is not a specific. IT is a range in a continuum, which includes cash, drafts and travellers' cheques (and maybe mastercard). And looking at the whole immigration process, where everything is spelt out with guidelines every step of the way, I will doubt that something as important as POF would not have been spelt out with guidelines in the training of Immigration officers at the POE. The fact that people have passed with mastercard and sailed thru, should mean that it is acceptable in the range of POF instruments.

Having said all that, let me list the POF experience of some people on this forum, and what they have done. You might take a cue from some of them.
1. Most people carry cash. Amongst these people, some declare at the airport, and some don't declare. I will vehemently discourage not declaring at MMIA if you have over 10k dollars on you. Although some people get away with this, a) its breaking the law. b) if you're caught, there will be hell to pay.
OF THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY CASH, some split them between spouses. For example in your case, Collins, if you want to carry your $12,000 in cash, and you are travelling with your spouse, the wise thing will be to split it between the two of you. That way, you both carry what is below the declarable limit at all airports. Nobody will question you why you have $6,000 in cash on you. HOWEVER, NOTE THAT YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO DECLARE IT AT THE POE TO THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER. This is because, you as the principal applicant are the one carrying the POF, although it is split between you and your spouse. I STAND CORRECTED ON THIS MATTER.
2. People generally discourage carrying drafts of the money. This is actually the safest way to transit with such large amounts of money, as the draft, if stolen, is useless to whoever is daft enough to steal it. Why people discourage this, is because it might take up to 3 months to cash the draft. If you are patient enough for that, then, this is the absolute best way for you.
3. I haven't seen anyone who used travellers' cheques.
4. A few people have carried their POF part in cash and part using the Mastercard from one of the Nigerian banks. Of the few people I've read their experience, one had cash of up to $16,000 on him, which was just a little short of the POF, and told the immigration officer that rest is on his mastercard, and there were no further questions. Another person had less than $10k and there were also no further questions.

My submission is this: It is very risky to carry cash around like that. People do it, but for some of us fainthearted, its almost a no no. If you can wait for 3 months, your best bet is to cut a draft and travel with it. If you can't, carry cash and split the money into two and share between you and your spouse. You can also carry about $9k in cash and the rest on your mastercard.
And pray that you will meet the same immigration officers our other guys met at the POE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This post does not address the question of building a credit history in Canada, I don't have any thought on that. But I think what Colins was asking was just at the POE. it is however cheaper to shop with your mastercard over there, than buying Dollars from the black market at a higher rate and spending there in Canada. Your money is safer. And for people who want to first land and return to Nigeria before finally leaving, it is the best way to go. For people who have finally settled, or are not coming back in the short term, opening a bank account and building your credit history is very important.
PLS, OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD KINDLY COMMENT ON ALL I'VE POSTED ABOVE.
 

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@POLESTAR1,

Congratulations on your successful landing. May God continue to order your foot step. Biolah
POLESTAR1 said:
It could be likened to the triumphant entry into Jerusalem. Just the way that particular entry into Jerusalem was spectacular than the previous, so also was this entry to Canada for me.

The triumphant entry of the Lord was done with him riding on an Ass; mine was done through the airport as against my previous entries which were through the land borders from the US.

The Lord entered into Jerusalem with him being acknowledged as the Messiah and the king, my entry was as a Permanent Residence as against the previous visits a just tourist.

Christ previous visits to Jerusalem will probably be with just his disciples but the triumphant entry was with mammoth crowd. I was a lone traveler on my previous entries but this time around, the entry was with my whole family.

You will sure agree with me that it was a glorious entry.

The journey was on Ethiopian airline, the flight was for 1.35 pm on Monday 16th Dec. 2013. The check-in process was seamless with the usual “do Christmas for us” by the officers.

The first lap of the journey was for 5 hours 10 minutes to Addis Ababa and the meal on board was okay, the flight entertainment system was also nice with something to interest every one. Nigerian movies, cartoon for the kids etc. My kids had a field day with the games.

The stopover was for just 1 hour 55 minutes. This was one of the deciding considerations for choosing the airline. The journey continued at 10.40pm Addis Ababa time for another 6 hours 10 minutes stopping at Rome, Italy for 1 hour for refueling and change of Crew.

The last lap of the trip and the longest was for about 9.30 minutes arriving Pearson International airport, Toronto at about 8.00 am local time. Though the total flying time was about 22 hours, I and my family landed with strength and vigor, we had enough sleep during the flight.

My first action upon landing was to quickly use my wife's MTN BB phone which automatically picked Rogers wireless to log into my account to check that the part of the POF which was in the account is still intact. And then I made my Naira Mastercard to be within reach in case there's need to confirm at the point of entry.

We proceeded to the Canada Border Service Agents and told them that we are Permanent Residents that are just landing, our international passports were requested and after checking and scanning they were handed back to me and we were referred to another section for the proper landing process.

The queue at the next section was short and in about 10 minutes it was our turn. The whole process was very fast about 30minutes in all, before we knew what was happening we found ourselves in the arrival hall, we had to go back to one of the Canada Border Service Agents to confirm if that was all and she said yes. I and my wife had to start arguing with ourselves that the landing process couldn't have been concluded that fast. But we went back to give them our list of goods to follow, though no goods will likely follow.

No one asked us about fund, no one even asked for what we have in our bags. In fact the Lady that attended to us asked us to take a seat while she signs the COPRs and conclude the whole process.

At the point of claiming our baggage, we had to get trolleys with 2 CAD per trolley, since I was not having any CAD on me, I had to withdraw from the Travelex ATM at the baggage reclaim area. I latter realized that the conversion rate of N161.37 to a CAD that I got from the Travelex ATM at the airport was higher than the ones that belong to banks. My subsequent withdrawals and purchases on the POS with my Naira Master cards were converted at rates between N152 to N154 to a CAD. So note that you'll get better rates on banks ATMs outside the airport.

Other processes have been seamless as well, we now have SIN numbers, we have opened accounts and apply for credit cards. I have also gotten a telephone line.

Pa Seglad and Ma Seglad have been so so wonderful, taking us to all the places we need to be and giving all the required direction even with their very tight schedule. I was just wondering how we would have been able to cope without them, not with the very chilling weather. I pray that the Lord will continue to uphold them.

Walking out of the airport last Tuesday into the cold morning, I watched as my daughter scooped snow with her hand in excitement saying she wanted to make snowman. I felt exited too, but not as a result of the snow but because of our new status: Permanent Residents. I flashed my mind to 2009 when I conceived this vision and then remembered the words of Prophet Habakkuk in chapter 3 of his book which says:

“Write the vision
And make it plain on tablets,
That he may run who reads it.
For the vision is yet for an appointed time;
But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie.
Though it tarries, wait for it;
Because it will surely come,
It will not tarry.
 

eshin

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hello house..is it advisable to use canadsian mailing address or nigerian address for mailing when submitting application for FSW?
 

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eshin said:
hello house..is it advisable to use canadsian mailing address or nigerian address for mailing when submitting application for FSW?
my opinion - if you are applying from Nigeria, provide Nigerian address. Most if not all communications to you from CIC will be via email; i also think that your country of residence determines which Visa Office your application will be sent to for processing
 

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@Polestar1 CONGRATS ON THE SMOOTH LANDING


@Ekundapsy MANY THANKS FOR UR TIME ON THE INFORMATIVE WRITEUP ON POF@POE.

+1 for you.
 

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gel003 said:
Children and consultants Practice, 25 Raymond Njoku Street, ikoyi. 014611941. Cost of medicals there is 28k naira flat per person, whether adult or child. They are e-medical enabled and booking an appointment with them is easy. Just visit any day between monday and Saturday. They attend to 10 or 15 persons on weekdays and about 5 persons on Saturdays .
Hope this helps. More contributions are welcomed.
Thank you Gel003.
 

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kolemm said:
I think it is more of timing than no of persons. Whoever gets there before 11a.m will certainly be attended to.
Cheers Kolemm