newly married

[Justify]

Hello people
1. Is there a provision in spousal sponsorship that if you are newly married, which is less than 2 years, your spouse can be given a temporary visa (not the exact term/name)? I recall reading something on these lines but am not sure. For the reason, I even being a PR, am having to reside outside Canada, just so I do not leave behind my wife. We married an year back and saw no sense in getting marrying and leaving my bride behind. So I took employment outside Canada. We even tried s tudent visa but they rejected it (that I still can't justify)
So is there a way for us to be together in Canada quicker? Coz I cant leave her and go to apply in Canada. I dont think even Troudeau would approve!!

 

[simpsol22]

Hello people
1. Is there a provision in spousal sponsorship that if you are newly married, which is less than 2 years, your spouse can be given a temporary visa (not the exact term/name)? I recall reading something on these lines but am not sure. For the reason, I even being a PR, am having to reside outside Canada, just so I do not leave behind my wife. We married an year back and saw no sense in getting marrying and leaving my bride behind. So I took employment outside Canada. We even tried s tudent visa but they rejected it (that I still can't justify)
So is there a way for us to be together in Canada quicker? Coz I cant leave her and go to apply in Canada. I dont think even Troudeau would approve!!

Visitor Visa is the term you are looking for, but the quickest way for her to get to live in Canada would be spousal sponsorship Outland class for Permanent Residence. It's much quicker than the Inland processing times depending where you are.

 

[canadianwoman]

I think what you are referring to is conditional permanent residence. However, this is not a temporary visa. For it, you would have to apply to sponsor your wife to immigrate to Canada. She would get a permanent residence visa, but there would be a condition on it: she would have to stay with you for two years after coming to Canada. Once the two years are over, the condition is removed and she remains a PR.
To sponsor her, you have to be in Canada for the duration of the processing.
She could also try to get a visitor visa. For that, she has to show proof of her ties to her home country.

 

[Justify]

I think what you are referring to is conditional permanent residence. However, this is not a temporary visa. For it, you would have to apply to sponsor your wife to immigrate to Canada. She would get a permanent residence visa, but there would be a condition on it: she would have to stay with you for two years after coming to Canada. Once the two years are over, the condition is removed and she remains a PR.
To sponsor her, you have to be in Canada for the duration of the processing.
She could also try to get a visitor visa. For that, she has to show proof of her ties to her home country.

Thanks Canadianwoman. I gather my option is the Conditional Permanent Residence then. And I can perhaps also assume that it is faster expedited compared to other options, since that is what I am looking at. We are perfectly fine living with each other for next two years, and subsequent ones, after coming to Canada. That's the whole point. So Conditional PR is what I'll be looking into then. Much appreciated.

 

[MilesAway]

Conditional Permanent Residence is not expedited. It is simply a condition of the permanent residence. You must still apply to sponsor your spouse, and you must be in Canada for that period. Depending on your spouse's nationality, the processing times are anywhere from 5 months up to 12+ months.

 

[yamgia]

Thanks Canadianwoman. I gather my option is the Conditional Permanent Residence then. And I can perhaps also assume that it is faster expedited compared to other options, since that is what I am looking at. We are perfectly fine living with each other for next two years, and subsequent ones, after coming to Canada. That's the whole point. So Conditional PR is what I'll be looking into then. Much appreciated.

There is no faster way to do it, you have to apply for spousal sponsorship and sponsor your spouse, AFTER the application is done and your spouse is approved and gets PR, then if you still are married for less then 2 years, you get conditional permanent residence, till your guys are married for longer then 2 years. It's a part (a condition ) of the spousal sponsorship not something different.

And like being said above you must be in Canada during the application if you aren't a Canadian citizen. The only other way for your spouse to get PR is through different (not sponsored/spouse/marriage routes), like skilled workers I think..

 

[Justify]

Visitor Visa is the term you are looking for, but the quickest way for her to get to live in Canada would be spousal sponsorship Outland class for Permanent Residence. It's much quicker than the Inland processing times depending where you are.

Thanks for the response. Visitor visa is an option, as I also agree from the other response, however the question of showing ties with her home country is tricky. Well she has her parents in the home country, but that probably is not considered a good reason after marriage, since they are not dependant on her. Spousal sponsorship Outland class, as I understand, is the standard route not necessarily the quickest, considering as you rightly said, depending where you are. Considering she might be in Pakistan when I am in Canada, that leaves a lot to be desired, as Pakistan is not very high in the kissing order I should perhaps explore Conditional PR. I am very accepting to all conditions as long as my wife gets to be with me !!

 

[Decoy24601]

Thanks for the response. Visitor visa is an option, as I also agree from the other response, however the question of showing ties with her home country is tricky. Well she has her parents in the home country, but that probably is not considered a good reason after marriage, since they are not dependant on her. Spousal sponsorship Outland class, as I understand, is the standard route not necessarily the quickest, considering as you rightly said, depending where you are. Considering she might be in Pakistan when I am in Canada, that leaves a lot to be desired, as Pakistan is not very high in the kissing order I should perhaps explore Conditional PR. I am very accepting to all conditions as long as my wife gets to be with me !!

I think you're getting confused with what exactly Condition 51 means. It's the same as applying for Permanent Residence even with the result of getting Condition 51 is still spousal sponsorship outland. Condition 51 only means you have to live together for 2 years after your spouse becomes a PR.

 

[MilesAway]

Spouse Sponsorship Outland is Conditional PR. They are not different things. Some couples get conditional PR (if they do not have kids, have not been married for 2 years, etc), while others don't.

If you do not want to be separated, then you need to try for a TRV for her. If that is approved, then you can go to Canada together, where you can submit your sponsorship application.

 

[yamgia]

Thanks for the response. Visitor visa is an option, as I also agree from the other response, however the question of showing ties with her home country is tricky. Well she has her parents in the home country, but that probably is not considered a good reason after marriage, since they are not dependant on her. Spousal sponsorship Outland class, as I understand, is the standard route not necessarily the quickest, considering as you rightly said, depending where you are. Considering she might be in Pakistan when I am in Canada, that leaves a lot to be desired, as Pakistan is not very high in the kissing order I should perhaps explore Conditional PR. I am very accepting to all conditions as long as my wife gets to be with me !!

Conditional PR (condition 51) is a part of the normal spouse PR, you get it automatically when getting PR and being married under 2 years or have no kids together..
You can't get conditional PR separate! You can only do spousal sponsoring!

The conditional PR is to protect the sponsor AFTER the person being sponsored got spousal PR (in case your spouse is using you to just get pr). It is not a different way to sponsor your spouse, it is a rule of spousal PR.

If she has a job or any land you might be able to get a visitor visa. IF you can get her into canada you could apply inland, it probably will be a lot longer but you two will be together. BUT you can't appeal if they deny/refuse your application unlike outland applications, so be wary of that! If you think you have any redflags or any chance of your application being denied, then don't apply inland!

Check out the following thread for more info about getting a visitor visa:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/visitor-visa-grantedwife-of-pr-t273759.0.html

 

[Justify]

Thanks everyone.
We seem to be reaching somewhere. 1. So it HAS to be the regular spousal sponsorship. And Conditional PR is just a provision to safeguard sponsors in case some one is planning on duping them.
2. Inland application is a danger thing. As you don't get to appeal if turned down? Means what they deport your wife? SERIOUSLY?! Far as I can see I have no red flags on my profile and neither do my wife. We are clean, white collar academics. I don't truly know though what all red flags might there be.

Something new that has come up is a TRV as 'Milesaway' mention. It sounds interesting as it seems to fit me. I can use it to enter Canada WITH my wife, not leaving her behind, and then submit her sponsorship application. Sounds good. But won't that be Inland application? The one I am asked to be wary of? I will explore the TRV

 

[MilesAway]

TRV is not new information. It was in the very first reply you received. Many people call them visitor visas, but the correct term is Temporary Resident Visa (TRV).
You can apply outland even if your spouse is in Canada.

Red flags are things like big age differences, short courtships, hidden marriages, etc.

 

[yamgia]

Thanks everyone.
We seem to be reaching somewhere. 1. So it HAS to be the regular spousal sponsorship. And Conditional PR is just a provision to safeguard sponsors inc ase some one is planning on duping them.
2. Inland application is a danger thing. As you don't get to appeal if turned down? Means what they deport your wife? SERIOUSLY?! Far as I can see I have no red flags on my profile and neither do my wife. We are clean, white collar academics. I don't truly know though what all red flags might there be.

Something new that has come up is a TRV as 'Milesaway' mention. It sounds interesting as it seems to fit me. I can use it to enter Canada WITH my wife, not leaving her behind, and then submit her sponsorship application. Sounds good. But won't that be Inland application? The one I am asked to be wary of? I will explore the TRV

1. That's correct. 2. You have to start all over, and apply outland then I think (not too sure)?

Some of other redflags aside from the ones mentioned above could be cultural, like as example a small court wedding while the norm of the culture in their eyes are big weddings with a lot of family. Or stuff like didn't meet any of each others families, almost no family or no parents at wedding, no honeymoon (not even a weekend away as honeymoon) almost no pictures with each other and go on.

Also if she is able to get into canada for a longer period of time I would still apply outland, it's a lot faster than inland.

 

[Justify]

TRV is not new information. It was in the very first reply you received. Many people call them visitor visas, but the correct term is Temporary Resident Visa (TRV).
You can apply outland even if your spouse is in Canada.

Red flags are things like big age differences, short courtships, hidden marriages, etc.

Thanks for clarifying. So its a regular visit visa. For which ideally the applicant should have a job elsewhere which requires her to return. But I want her to stay and not return so I guess I can't apply for a visit visa. I CAN apply outland even if my spouse is in Canada is helpful. How long can she be allowed to stay in Canada will probably be shorter than the processing period.

 

[MilesAway]

Applying for a TRV is kind of a lottery. My wife had a job and family back home, but was refused (4 times). Other people have applied with no job or money and got it.

You can apply to extend her stay online. Some people have gotten extensions repeatedly for a few years. CIC generally grants extensions to people with PR applications in process.