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New restriction on sponsorship: Conditional Permanent Residence

amikety said:
I'm not aware of a special visa for American spouses. I'm visa exempt, but so are Americans who are genuinely visiting. It makes it easier to stay here, but it's not a "special."
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its not american citizens married to canadian prs/cititzens..its for people who married american citizens/gcs . US has separate category..i want canada also introduce some category like that..


American citizens have two means of bringing their foreign husbands or wives to the US to live :

1.You can "sponsor" your spouse's immigrant visa for entry to the United States. If you follow this process, your foreign spouse will complete the visa process completely outside the US, and then arrive in the US and obtain permanent residency status immediately.

or

2.You can obtain a K-3 visa. The K3 visa is a non-immigrant visa for the US. K3 visas are granted normally within a few months. You should use the K3 visa to start the process outside of the US, then travel to the US to complete the immigration process. Please note that in this case, the application must be made in the country where the marriage took place.


people on work permit can bring their spouses without any issues..its only prs/citizens have to file and wait for their spouses.. insanely cruel towards third world people.. all west people have this visa waiver program..so they atleast have some option..


regards,
 
Very sad indeed. The best thing you can do for yourself is take control of your life live it to the fullest. You do not want to get so consumed with getting back at him that your own life passes you by. I would report it and move on with your own life.

On a different note, it would greatly benefit sponsors to learn more about the culture(s) of their sponsored spouses. In my opinion, it is one of many reasons potential red flags are missed. In a culture where women are expected to have not "known" any other man when they marry, I'd say that's a huge red flag for any woman who has "known" another man.

Conditional permanent residence just means the fraudster does not leave immediately but can in 2 years. What happens then? ??? Basically, you married with a 2 year guarantee? Perhaps the idea is that in 2 years a couple would have built a life together and had kids. People have ways to prevent a pregnancy, so I'm not sure how this helps the sponsor? I guess my point is, the gov't can only go so far with regulations but personal responsibility remains that of the sponsors.
 
The new conditional rule will filter out some fraudulent entries but not all. Those who are determined to immigrate will do whatever it costs. For those of us who believe in love and are in a real relationship, it is extremely hard to or we refuse to imagine that even the babies are mere means for those people :o :( >:(. Sadly it happens, not only in Canada but many other countries as well.

As OP's husband seems to be able to maintain "genuine" marriage for over 2 year after they got married until he landed.
 
hardtowait said:
notfromhere: why are you still living in middle-east? For money? Why don't you come back to Canada? What is worth there ? Sorry to ask you this question. But I think you have a very bad feeling about the people there! Right?
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I think you got the wrong impression. I never said I have a very bad feeling about the people here.. People here are very nice, warm and welcoming, especially the local ones… Don’t take my words out of context. Life is multifaceted. There are bad things and there are good things. But you cannot deny this issue does exist here... I was also not aware of this before I came here.. Here you go:
“The term "Canadians of convenience" was popularized by Canadian politician Garth Turner in 2006 in conjunction with the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. It is a pejorative term intended to refer to people with multiple citizenship who immigrated to Canada, met the residency requirement to obtain citizenship, obtained Canadian citizenship, and moved back to their original home country while maintaining their Canadian citizenship…
…Turner questioned the fairness of paying... for each evacuee, saying, among other things, "that’s a hell of a lot of money to donate to people who do not live here, don’t pay taxes here, and may never come here again in their lives."[1] The actual cost was about... $94 million for 15,000 people.[2]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_convenience

So please don’t try to turn it against me, I have done nothing wrong. I gave all my heart, support, and understanding to my husband, who apparently simply used me, in every possible way.
And unfortunately, I am not the only one. As per the release, “There are countless cases of marriage fraud across the country… Implementing a two-year conditional permanent residence period will help deter marriage fraud, prevent the callous victimization of innocent Canadians and help us put an end to these scams.”
My husband has trapped me with the marriage fraud; he tried to cheat the Canadian Government by looking for an option of obtaining a "fake" citizenship without living in Canada; and now, in the lights of recent governmental decisions, he is clearly intending to become a "Canadian of convenience" (as per Garth Turner).
 
Since you no longer live together, you may report the fraud/marriage of convenience to a canadian visa office in the country you live in and attach proof. Can you hire a private detective to gather eveidence(photos, etc) of him and the new woman? You may be able to get a divorce in Canada after 1 year of legal separation.

If he is still able to maintain his PR status legally and applies for citizenship with legitimate documents, there is nothing you can do. It's not a crime to be a "Canadian of convenience". Natural born citizens live abroad for decades without problems and naturalized citizens have the same rights.
 
Hi notfromhere: I appreciate your explanation. However, I still believe that if a relation gets into trouble or even breaks down; why many of us would go after the 'sponsored spouse' to get him/her out of Canada? I am talking about genuine relation. I know couple of cases who were married genuinely but relation did not survive longer, unfortunately. The sponsors of those 2 cases, spent ample time to get them out of Canada, but failed. I am completely convinced for those who are FRAUD to get them out of this generous country. Even I support to "pack" them and "tie" them up with a "nylon rope" and send them back in "cargo", not even in airplane seat! I have NO simpathy for those trouble makers for us genuines. Again, I am a sponsor NOT a sponsored person. Please don't get me wrong! I am definitely in the hot water for being in the 'waiting game" for months. I also believe that "waiting game" is the worst TEST in life. By the way, I am curious to ask you a question. How long did it take for you to get your husband in canada? I mean how long did you wait? I always ask this question to everybody b/c I believe this is worst TEST in life from personal context. When I hear this type of "issues" - I get paranoid and it comes in my mind that - one more issues of this type to immigration will "DELAY" my file - I guess. This is all my personal feeling. Finally, since you mentioned thousands of cases this type of "marriage fraud" happening from all over the world, why then someone should vent her/his anger towards a particular group of people? Many colourful "marriage frauds" happened from China and India. But still Canadian goverment giving them spouse immigration quicker than many other nations in the world! Doesn't it sound weird to you ? Yes it is one of the loopholes of the whole system. Thanks for reading.
 
"“The term "Canadians of convenience" was popularized by Canadian politician Garth Turner in 2006 in conjunction with the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. It is a pejorative term intended to refer to people with multiple citizenship who immigrated to Canada, met the residency requirement to obtain citizenship, obtained Canadian citizenship, and moved back to their original home country while maintaining their Canadian citizenship...
...Turner questioned the fairness of paying... for each evacuee, saying, among other things, "that's a hell of a lot of money to donate to people who do not live here, don't pay taxes here, and may never come here again in their lives."[1] The actual cost was about... $94 million for 15,000 people.[2]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_convenience
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Hi notfromhere: You are right. I never supported this rescue programme. But my question is who is responsible for this wrong doings by Canadian Gov.? They could have easily sorted out the real Canadian citizens who has declared non-resident or not. I personally know few Canadian citizens who are working for many many years in Dubai and they have families in canada. if they are in trouble in dubai, what Canadian govenrment should do in your opinion? They are supporting their families financially in Canada though. I would like to know your opinion. Please shed some lights.
 
saint4peace, I don’t know whether or not the Government should have rescued these particular families in case of crises, as per your example. But what I know is there is a big difference between two categories:
1.Canadians who are either natural born citizens and/ or naturalized citizens, who for some reason resides temporarily abroad, after making Canada their home;
2.“Canadians” whose the only intention is to get the Canadian passport in any possible way, and never to settle down in Canada, never before going to work abroad, never after.
And this is the Government’s job to distinguish first from second. Otherwise, again, why does Canada need thousands and thousands of citizens around the world, who only remember that they are Canadians once the crisis happens? And then they demand a help due to their “fake” citizenship.
hardtowait, our case is different. We both reside abroad, let’s assume, in Dubai. We met in Dubai, we got married in Dubai. As per the law, we should have submitted the application for his immigration only if we decided to relocate back to Canada. Canadian Government does not grant the PR to the person just because he/she is married to Canadian. Ok, you got married somewhere in Dubai and live there? Fine! What Canadian immigration has to do with that? Immigration application is submitted only when the family is intending to relocate back to Canada, where non-Canadian spouse needs the PR status.
This was not the case with me and my husband. He tricked me with the marriage, and bit later he tricked me with the idea of “relocation to Canada”, while he didn’t have any intention to do so. I have submitted the application only because I was under impression that we are going to settle in Canada. But instead, he left Toronto 1 week after he landed there, and once he returned back to Dubai, almost immediately he announced our marriage is over. And he moved in with his girlfriend. By the way, as I later found out, he got involved in this new relationship, while our application was still under processing! This is a pure FRAUD, with no doubts. And now we are still in Dubai, but we are not a family anymore. And he is going around and telling to everone that he is canadian (!) only being in Canada for 1 week all together. Here in the Middle East it makes huge difference, where you are from, trust me! He is only planning to go to Canada next summer, because he couldn’t find the way of faking his permanent presence in Canada, in order to apply later for his citizenship. SO WHERE is the base for the immigration case?? His intentions and goals way too far different from the initial purpose of the PR status!
Our Case is:
1.Marriage turned to be a fraud;
2.Relocation to Canada turned to be a fraud;
3.Citizenship was supposed to be faked, as per his initial plans;
4.He still has no any intention to settle down in Canada; all he needs is the Canadian passport for his own benefits in Dubai.
There is no one word of truth in his entire dirty game.
And this case looks pretty strong to me and to the couple of lawyers that I have contacted.
 
I’ll tell you guys, this story is also related to the image of the Canadians in the world. You simply don’t think about it, when you live in Canada. When I came to Dubai about 5 years ago, Canadans were a TRUSTED nation. Everyone loved Canada. You don’t t realize that these things even exist, until you actually face them. Over the years, I noticed that the “canadian” image has changed. And I am afraid it happened due to such fake irresponsible “canadians” who is fooling around, playing their dirty games, and lying everywhere about everything. Do they care about the image of the country, while livign abroad? Surely NOT! As it’s not THEIR country, and they have no any intention to make Canada their home whatsoever. All they need is to USE image of Canada and to use their fake canadian citizenship for their own benefits.
 
notfromhere: I completely agree with you. Fake is always fake! I have NO simpathy for them. That's why I mentioned in my last post that they should be tied up with nylon rope and sent back to their real place. Period. No respite for them. However, as a sponsor, I also believe that we do have 'responsibilities' to choose the right person. It is NOT CIC who should be responsible for our wrong choice of life partner. At the end of the day, CIC spends thousands of minutes to sort out fake from the real. Many cases, they can not sort out at all; rather many genuine cases get stuck into the system. Finally we suffer, you suffer and CIC gets more suspicious to all applicants. Application forms have so many confusing questions to answer, and real applicants do mistake and finally suffer b/c CIC officers get suspicious about their relation just b/c of some stu**d mistakes in their application which is happening every single day. But the fraud never does mistake. B/c they are organised and able to spend so much for preparing their application. If we, as a sponsor, do mistake we should suffer NOT CIC should - this is my opinion. Why? When our relation fails, we whine and ask CIC to get him/her out of the country. CIC does not have access to our bedroom! So we should accept our mistake, forget it and move on.

In fine, what is the BEST way out there to sort out the FAKE ? If you think all sides of the facts, it is NOT really easy for third party like CIC. Is it ? What do you think ?
In your case, I am completely simpathised to you. I understand what you are trying to say. But again, think about it. Who did the first mistake? CIC or you ? Generally, if we do any mistake in our life. Aftermath of mistakes are what ? Sufferings. Right? We suffer, simple.
 
hardtowait said:
notfromhere: I completely agree with you. Fake is always fake! I have NO simpathy for them. That's why I mentioned in my last post that they should be tied up with nylon rope and sent back to their real place. Period. No respite for them. However, as a sponsor, I also believe that we do have 'responsibilities' to choose the right person. It is NOT CIC who should be responsible for our wrong choice of life partner. At the end of the day, CIC spends thousands of minutes to sort out fake from the real. Many cases, they can not sort out at all; rather many genuine cases get stuck into the system. Finally we suffer, you suffer and CIC gets more suspicious to all applicants. Application forms have so many confusing questions to answer, and real applicants do mistake and finally suffer b/c CIC officers get suspicious about their relation just b/c of some stu**d mistakes in their application which is happening every single day. But the fraud never does mistake. B/c they are organised and able to spend so much for preparing their application. If we, as a sponsor, do mistake we should suffer NOT CIC should - this is my opinion. Why? When our relation fails, we whine and ask CIC to get him/her out of the country. CIC does not have access to our bedroom! So we should accept our mistake, forget it and move on.

In fine, what is the BEST way out there to sort out the FAKE ? If you think all sides of the facts, it is NOT really easy for third party like CIC. Is it ? What do you think ?
In your case, I am completely simpathised to you. I understand what you are trying to say. But again, think about it. Who did the first mistake? CIC or you ? Generally, if we do any mistake in our life. Aftermath of mistakes are what ? Sufferings. Right? We suffer, simple.
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Hey, hardtowait

I agree with you. I can't imagine what notfromhere went through from what she has said, and I think it would be justified if the guilty pays for his crime. she constantly uses the word "They" or "middle East" i'm not sure what she means by "They". notfromhere maybe you should specifically talk about that person who you have the issue with not the whole middle East, it is offensive because i'm not sure if you are aware Middle East includes many countries and many languages and cultures and each country have different type of people and persons. I think its ironic that she is against a law that allows a Canadian citizen to be living abroad while she is a Canadian citizen herself living abroad and doing the exact thing she is against! sounds like a double standard to me.
the law applies to everyone equally.
I do believe however that there should be some sort of commitment if a person decides to immigrate to Canada that person shouldn't just get all the services then just live somewhere else. by the way people from every continent do the exact thing whether they are from Europe, Asia or Africa or whatever so its not wise to select only a grope of people. every person is different and that's why we can't brush everyone with the same brush.
 
I agree, there should be a commitment to live in Canada and support Canada. A few exceptions (terminally ill parent, who obvious won't be admitted into Canada) should apply, but other than that.... if you want to be Canadian... live in Canada? I don't know the answer here, because people do get genuine job offers in other countries, volunteer in other countries, and some lucky people travel the world... but if you're getting the passport just to wave it around.... buy a fan. They create air too.
 
To notfromhere: By the way, did you write citizenship test? You probably read that Canadian citizens' rights. It is a "RIGHT" being a canadian citizen to apply for passport and freely move in and out of the country. Why do you need to categorise between naturalised and born citizen? Being a naturalised citizen, you have been living in Dubai for your job - I guess. Is it honest to be a self-contradictory person? Please read your all the 'posts' in this thread again and come up with clear view. I understand that you are hurt. You could be hurt by any BORN canadian too. I know few Born Canadians who lost literally everything after their 'break up' or divorce. But had to start over. What they can do ? They even don't have option to complain to CIC to get their previous partner out of the country. What a bad luck for them! hah? A person in my building kicking his gf almost every week and throw her in the hallway, but still they live together. I don't know why. Both of them are BORN Canadian. What you gonna say about them? I think when we sponsor someone and relation does not work. We become "jealous" and try to kick him/her out of Canada. I personally think it is 'mean'. There are so many reasons we fall in love or pretend to fall in. It happens everywhere in the world. The world became very selfish and we became like animal too. How much do we care about our "moral" against money -these days? Do we really? alas! I am undone! in this case. Sorry to write some hard word here. I would encourage everybody - try NOT to engage the whole system while you or we do take erroneous decision. Please learn to take some responsibilities on our shoulder too. Thanks for reading.
 
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