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Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

qorax said:
It's all within me

Besides, that article reflects a situation which is global... occurring in most metros around the world, not specific to Toronto, or Canada as a whole.

As someone opined earlier, Rents here r pretty similar to the ones found in many cities. New Delhi, Bombay, Tokyo, London, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oslo etc. fare much worse. So, if one can't make-out here... sure s/he can't make-it-out in similar other parts of the world too. Not in Toronto for sure.

And then, I've observed, over the time, that this picture that was painted reg. New Immigrants is typical of "No-Go" cases... there'd always be such ppl who would not make it, whatever the Govt. does (why should the Govt. do anything for them is another discussion altogether), they'd remain future-starved no matter where they r... they were so in their homeland as well. Coming here didn't change anything. They were bound to fail - no matter where they lived.

I also see new immigrants making it out damn well in 2-3 yrs. And going gaga in 5-6 yrs... well placed, living well, enjoying their life out loud!

So, where did the difference emerge? It's our +ve attitude, determination, perseverance, disposition & smart planning/outlook that matters. These guys landed well prepared, knew what they were unto, took the right steps, were financially stable (I don't say, 'strong') from the day they took off from wherever they were, and proceeded to do well here as well.

A pointer about being financially stable: immigration is no bed of roses, for anyone. Moving to a foreign land will always have it's challenges, especially in the financial front. What with the thought that "oh, I've received my PR now, let Stephen Harper do it for me hereon, once I enter canada"? How dumb that thought could be. And it's potent to also note that most despicable situations r with those guys who land from the third world; and w/out the preparations. It's common knowledge that their homeland was much less expensive to live by, while North America is a "dog eats dog" territory. So, if u thought that with sparse means u could live well here - ur head needs to be examined.

CIC gave a certain table for settlement funds... r we aware that many, I repeat "many", land here with half of that, if at all they had any? And then there r guys who come here with borrowed sums! Which they either send back imdt upon landing, or need to pay a high monthly interest to the 'loan shark' back home. How did they ever think that they could do w/out the legitimate funds in this part of the world. Std of Living aside, things ought be over-the-top expensive (especially) for them, don't u think?

So, where do they go? Scar(e)borough, or Thorncliffe, if its Toronto that we r talking about. A life to start with from these places itself is deplorable from the word go. They didn't have the means, their friends-circle, here, were of similar backgrounds, who r still slogging here, they landed & 'shared' with them, it's by design that they'd 'share their misfortunes' as well. For a long long time.

Not to mention that this CIC table of funds is meant to be just a guideline; and at best meant to be for surviving for a couple of months w/out job. While, most of us could take more than 3-5 months to actually get something of a starter occupation, notwithstanding worthwhile. It's the same in any country. Once u move to another city, within ur country, do u think jobs were waiting for the grabs? So, why Canada would be any different? Uhh, newcomers r discriminated! Don't u discriminate the 'southerners' when they come to the 'north', in ur country? And vice-versa? So, where's the difference?

Moreover, this isn't an 'inter-city' migration... we r here talking about migrating to another part of the world altogether. The culture is different, the weather is different, the color (most of the time) is different, the upbringing is different, the religion (most of the time) is different, the individual thought process is different, the money-matters r different (oh, the currency equivalence is different too), the hiring process is different, the resume format is different, the work-culture is different, oh yeah - the smell of the land is different! And the works! So, why don't we prepare well in advance? We ought to 'change' ourselves if we have to survive here. The problem is: most would like others to 'change'.

I regret sounding tad rude here, but that's the irony - I would rather like Canada to roll out the red carpet for new immigrants, straight from Pearson International - but change or upgrade myself - I'd definitely not.

I see here all the time ppl/forumers asking where in Toronto do most Indians live, or the Chinese reside, or where the Muslims/Hindus/Sikh/Buddinst stay, some have gone further down to asking about typical third-world ethnic bifurcations within the city. Why don't we ever ask where the good-going Canadians live?

If I do not integrate, I'm afraid, I'd always remain an Indian-in-Canada, or a Chinese-in-Canada, or a Filipino-in-Canada, or a Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh-in-Canada (no sectarianism involved in my quotes for the record), but I might never be a Canadian-from-Canada! It's an irony/shame that we tend to pass-on the same to our children as well... for whom we actually treaded this path (of immigrating to the west)... and they'd continue to be similarly called/imbibed/indoctrinated for generations, w/out becoming a Canadian. Did we actually plan it that way? Think about it.

Qorax
very well written,thank you for the great article
regards
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

explorer101 said:
1. Anthony Rosario, his wife and three adult children shared a two-bedroom apartment in Scarborough when they first came from Bangladesh in 1998.At times, they also shared their already crowded dwelling with other families, converting available space into bedrooms.Space was tight but so was their budget, with their $900-a-month rent eating up half the family's monthly income.
>>>> Today a 2 bedroom apartment in Scarbrough is rented in $1000-1100, no question arises that in 1998 rent was $900 and that too on shairing basis. This reporter cooks nice stories.
2. Up until February, Rosario and his wife, Mary, were still sharing their two-bedroom apartment with his son, daughter-in-law and two grandchildren.“It's tough to live with so many people in so little space, but you are bound to live like this when you don't have money,” said Rosario, 61, a bakery chef, who two months ago finally moved into a subsidized seniors' apartment after four years on the waiting list.
>>> So they were 4 adults to earn bread and 2 kids must be getting CCTB. Even with the survival jobs this family could have made $ 5-6000 and add $732 for the CCBT. When the desire is to relax and look at the government for benifits then one can not blame others for the miseries. I must congratulate this family of finally getting subsidized apartment, where all 4 adults can have more relaxation at tax payers cost.

3. But a new study on immigrant housing warns that thousands of newcomers continue to live in “hidden homelessness” — in shared, overcrowded housing — an issue that has grown more acute, especially in Toronto, where affordable rental units are in short supply.
>>> Where ever you go you would see in Toronto that the apartment management advertising for vacancy, i dont think rental units are in short supply. I dont see newcomers sleeping in shacks.
4. The national study by Metropolis, an international network of researchers in immigration policy, found most newcomers reported spending more than 50 per cent of income on housing, with 15 per cent spending 75 per cent or more.
>>> 50 % income going towards rent is for most of people in North America, so nothing unusual for newcomers.
Not everything published in news papers are correct. This report is not having more value than a trash. I just dumped it in my trash can.

indeed!! +1!! 8)
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

qorax said:
It's all within me

Besides, that article reflects a situation which is global... occurring in most metros around the world, not specific to Toronto, or Canada as a whole.

As someone opined earlier, Rents here r pretty similar to the ones found in many cities. New Delhi, Bombay, Tokyo, London, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oslo etc. fare much worse. So, if one can't make-out here... sure s/he can't make-it-out in similar other parts of the world too. Not in Toronto for sure.

And then, I've observed, over the time, that this picture that was painted reg. New Immigrants is typical of "No-Go" cases... there'd always be such ppl who would not make it, whatever the Govt. does (why should the Govt. do anything for them is another discussion altogether), they'd remain future-starved no matter where they r... they were so in their homeland as well. Coming here didn't change anything. They were bound to fail - no matter where they lived.

I also see new immigrants making it out damn well in 2-3 yrs. And going gaga in 5-6 yrs... well placed, living well, enjoying their life out loud!

So, where did the difference emerge? It's our +ve attitude, determination, perseverance, disposition & smart planning/outlook that matters. These guys landed well prepared, knew what they were unto, took the right steps, were financially stable (I don't say, 'strong') from the day they took off from wherever they were, and proceeded to do well here as well.

A pointer about being financially stable: immigration is no bed of roses, for anyone. Moving to a foreign land will always have it's challenges, especially in the financial front. What with the thought that "oh, I've received my PR now, let Stephen Harper do it for me hereon, once I enter canada"? How dumb that thought could be. And it's potent to also note that most despicable situations r with those guys who land from the third world; and w/out the preparations. It's common knowledge that their homeland was much less expensive to live by, while North America is a "dog eats dog" territory. So, if u thought that with sparse means u could live well here - ur head needs to be examined.

CIC gave a certain table for settlement funds... r we aware that many, I repeat "many", land here with half of that, if at all they had any? And then there r guys who come here with borrowed sums! Which they either send back imdt upon landing, or need to pay a high monthly interest to the 'loan shark' back home. How did they ever think that they could do w/out the legitimate funds in this part of the world. Std of Living aside, things ought be over-the-top expensive (especially) for them, don't u think?

So, where do they go? Scar(e)borough, or Thorncliffe, if its Toronto that we r talking about. A life to start with from these places itself is deplorable from the word go. They didn't have the means, their friends-circle, here, were of similar backgrounds, who r still slogging here, they landed & 'shared' with them, it's by design that they'd 'share their misfortunes' as well. For a long long time.

Not to mention that this CIC table of funds is meant to be just a guideline; and at best meant to be for surviving for a couple of months w/out job. While, most of us could take more than 3-5 months to actually get something of a starter occupation, notwithstanding worthwhile. It's the same in any country. Once u move to another city, within ur country, do u think jobs were waiting for the grabs? So, why Canada would be any different? Uhh, newcomers r discriminated! Don't u discriminate the 'southerners' when they come to the 'north', in ur country? And vice-versa? So, where's the difference?

Moreover, this isn't an 'inter-city' migration... we r here talking about migrating to another part of the world altogether. The culture is different, the weather is different, the color (most of the time) is different, the upbringing is different, the religion (most of the time) is different, the individual thought process is different, the money-matters r different (oh, the currency equivalence is different too), the hiring process is different, the resume format is different, the work-culture is different, oh yeah - the smell of the land is different! And the works! So, why don't we prepare well in advance? We ought to 'change' ourselves if we have to survive here. The problem is: most would like others to 'change'.

I regret sounding tad rude here, but that's the irony - I would rather like Canada to roll out the red carpet for new immigrants, straight from Pearson International - but change or upgrade myself - I'd definitely not.

I see here all the time ppl/forumers asking where in Toronto do most Indians live, or the Chinese reside, or where the Muslims/Hindus/Sikh/Buddinst stay, some have gone further down to asking about typical third-world ethnic bifurcations within the city. Why don't we ever ask where the good-going Canadians live?

If I do not integrate, I'm afraid, I'd always remain an Indian-in-Canada, or a Chinese-in-Canada, or a Filipino-in-Canada, or a Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh-in-Canada (no sectarianism involved in my quotes for the record), but I might never be a Canadian-from-Canada! It's an irony/shame that we tend to pass-on the same to our children as well... for whom we actually treaded this path (of immigrating to the west)... and they'd continue to be similarly called/imbibed/indoctrinated for generations, w/out becoming a Canadian. Did we actually plan it that way? Think about it.

Qorax

Well said Chief.
...wise words
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

qorax said:
It's all within me

Besides, that article reflects a situation which is global... occurring in most metros around the world, not specific to Toronto, or Canada as a whole.

As someone opined earlier, Rents here r pretty similar to the ones found in many cities. New Delhi, Bombay, Tokyo, London, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oslo etc. fare much worse. So, if one can't make-out here... sure s/he can't make-it-out in similar other parts of the world too. Not in Toronto for sure.

And then, I've observed, over the time, that this picture that was painted reg. New Immigrants is typical of "No-Go" cases... there'd always be such ppl who would not make it, whatever the Govt. does (why should the Govt. do anything for them is another discussion altogether), they'd remain future-starved no matter where they r... they were so in their homeland as well. Coming here didn't change anything. They were bound to fail - no matter where they lived.

I also see new immigrants making it out damn well in 2-3 yrs. And going gaga in 5-6 yrs... well placed, living well, enjoying their life out loud!

So, where did the difference emerge? It's our +ve attitude, determination, perseverance, disposition & smart planning/outlook that matters. These guys landed well prepared, knew what they were unto, took the right steps, were financially stable (I don't say, 'strong') from the day they took off from wherever they were, and proceeded to do well here as well.

A pointer about being financially stable: immigration is no bed of roses, for anyone. Moving to a foreign land will always have it's challenges, especially in the financial front. What with the thought that "oh, I've received my PR now, let Stephen Harper do it for me hereon, once I enter canada"? How dumb that thought could be. And it's potent to also note that most despicable situations r with those guys who land from the third world; and w/out the preparations. It's common knowledge that their homeland was much less expensive to live by, while North America is a "dog eats dog" territory. So, if u thought that with sparse means u could live well here - ur head needs to be examined.

CIC gave a certain table for settlement funds... r we aware that many, I repeat "many", land here with half of that, if at all they had any? And then there r guys who come here with borrowed sums! Which they either send back imdt upon landing, or need to pay a high monthly interest to the 'loan shark' back home. How did they ever think that they could do w/out the legitimate funds in this part of the world. Std of Living aside, things ought be over-the-top expensive (especially) for them, don't u think?

So, where do they go? Scar(e)borough, or Thorncliffe, if its Toronto that we r talking about. A life to start with from these places itself is deplorable from the word go. They didn't have the means, their friends-circle, here, were of similar backgrounds, who r still slogging here, they landed & 'shared' with them, it's by design that they'd 'share their misfortunes' as well. For a long long time.

Not to mention that this CIC table of funds is meant to be just a guideline; and at best meant to be for surviving for a couple of months w/out job. While, most of us could take more than 3-5 months to actually get something of a starter occupation, notwithstanding worthwhile. It's the same in any country. Once u move to another city, within ur country, do u think jobs were waiting for the grabs? So, why Canada would be any different? Uhh, newcomers r discriminated! Don't u discriminate the 'southerners' when they come to the 'north', in ur country? And vice-versa? So, where's the difference?

Moreover, this isn't an 'inter-city' migration... we r here talking about migrating to another part of the world altogether. The culture is different, the weather is different, the color (most of the time) is different, the upbringing is different, the religion (most of the time) is different, the individual thought process is different, the money-matters r different (oh, the currency equivalence is different too), the hiring process is different, the resume format is different, the work-culture is different, oh yeah - the smell of the land is different! And the works! So, why don't we prepare well in advance? We ought to 'change' ourselves if we have to survive here. The problem is: most would like others to 'change'.

I regret sounding tad rude here, but that's the irony - I would rather like Canada to roll out the red carpet for new immigrants, straight from Pearson International - but change or upgrade myself - I'd definitely not.

I see here all the time ppl/forumers asking where in Toronto do most Indians live, or the Chinese reside, or where the Muslims/Hindus/Sikh/Buddinst stay, some have gone further down to asking about typical third-world ethnic bifurcations within the city. Why don't we ever ask where the good-going Canadians live?

If I do not integrate, I'm afraid, I'd always remain an Indian-in-Canada, or a Chinese-in-Canada, or a Filipino-in-Canada, or a Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh-in-Canada (no sectarianism involved in my quotes for the record), but I might never be a Canadian-from-Canada! It's an irony/shame that we tend to pass-on the same to our children as well... for whom we actually treaded this path (of immigrating to the west)... and they'd continue to be similarly called/imbibed/indoctrinated for generations, w/out becoming a Canadian. Did we actually plan it that way? Think about it.

Qorax

Its superlike thought which express you as a person behind the thought. I agree 101% with you. Its our thought which has total reflection in our success of failure.

"Khudi Ko Kar Buland Itana Ki Har Takadir Se Pahele Khuda Khud Bande Se Pucche,, Bata Teri Raza kya hay"

God Bless,
Kavya
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

qorax said:
It's all within me

Besides, that article reflects a situation which is global... occurring in most metros around the world, not specific to Toronto, or Canada as a whole.

As someone opined earlier, Rents here r pretty similar to the ones found in many cities. New Delhi, Bombay, Tokyo, London, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oslo etc. fare much worse. So, if one can't make-out here... sure s/he can't make-it-out in similar other parts of the world too. Not in Toronto for sure.

And then, I've observed, over the time, that this picture that was painted reg. New Immigrants is typical of "No-Go" cases... there'd always be such ppl who would not make it, whatever the Govt. does (why should the Govt. do anything for them is another discussion altogether), they'd remain future-starved no matter where they r... they were so in their homeland as well. Coming here didn't change anything. They were bound to fail - no matter where they lived.

I also see new immigrants making it out damn well in 2-3 yrs. And going gaga in 5-6 yrs... well placed, living well, enjoying their life out loud!

So, where did the difference emerge? It's our +ve attitude, determination, perseverance, disposition & smart planning/outlook that matters. These guys landed well prepared, knew what they were unto, took the right steps, were financially stable (I don't say, 'strong') from the day they took off from wherever they were, and proceeded to do well here as well.

A pointer about being financially stable: immigration is no bed of roses, for anyone. Moving to a foreign land will always have it's challenges, especially in the financial front. What with the thought that "oh, I've received my PR now, let Stephen Harper do it for me hereon, once I enter canada"? How dumb that thought could be. And it's potent to also note that most despicable situations r with those guys who land from the third world; and w/out the preparations. It's common knowledge that their homeland was much less expensive to live by, while North America is a "dog eats dog" territory. So, if u thought that with sparse means u could live well here - ur head needs to be examined.

CIC gave a certain table for settlement funds... r we aware that many, I repeat "many", land here with half of that, if at all they had any? And then there r guys who come here with borrowed sums! Which they either send back imdt upon landing, or need to pay a high monthly interest to the 'loan shark' back home. How did they ever think that they could do w/out the legitimate funds in this part of the world. Std of Living aside, things ought be over-the-top expensive (especially) for them, don't u think?

So, where do they go? Scar(e)borough, or Thorncliffe, if its Toronto that we r talking about. A life to start with from these places itself is deplorable from the word go. They didn't have the means, their friends-circle, here, were of similar backgrounds, who r still slogging here, they landed & 'shared' with them, it's by design that they'd 'share their misfortunes' as well. For a long long time.

Not to mention that this CIC table of funds is meant to be just a guideline; and at best meant to be for surviving for a couple of months w/out job. While, most of us could take more than 3-5 months to actually get something of a starter occupation, notwithstanding worthwhile. It's the same in any country. Once u move to another city, within ur country, do u think jobs were waiting for the grabs? So, why Canada would be any different? Uhh, newcomers r discriminated! Don't u discriminate the 'southerners' when they come to the 'north', in ur country? And vice-versa? So, where's the difference?

Moreover, this isn't an 'inter-city' migration... we r here talking about migrating to another part of the world altogether. The culture is different, the weather is different, the color (most of the time) is different, the upbringing is different, the religion (most of the time) is different, the individual thought process is different, the money-matters r different (oh, the currency equivalence is different too), the hiring process is different, the resume format is different, the work-culture is different, oh yeah - the smell of the land is different! And the works! So, why don't we prepare well in advance? We ought to 'change' ourselves if we have to survive here. The problem is: most would like others to 'change'.

I regret sounding tad rude here, but that's the irony - I would rather like Canada to roll out the red carpet for new immigrants, straight from Pearson International - but change or upgrade myself - I'd definitely not.

I see here all the time ppl/forumers asking where in Toronto do most Indians live, or the Chinese reside, or where the Muslims/Hindus/Sikh/Buddinst stay, some have gone further down to asking about typical third-world ethnic bifurcations within the city. Why don't we ever ask where the good-going Canadians live?

If I do not integrate, I'm afraid, I'd always remain an Indian-in-Canada, or a Chinese-in-Canada, or a Filipino-in-Canada, or a Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh-in-Canada (no sectarianism involved in my quotes for the record), but I might never be a Canadian-from-Canada! It's an irony/shame that we tend to pass-on the same to our children as well... for whom we actually treaded this path (of immigrating to the west)... and they'd continue to be similarly called/imbibed/indoctrinated for generations, w/out becoming a Canadian. Did we actually plan it that way? Think about it.

Qorax

+1 Qorax

I can't understand why do so many people think as Canada is the first world country everything would be served on a platter to them. You have to always work your way up even in your home country.
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

Leon said:
In some cases there is a bit of reluctance from the Canadian employer who will ask where your Canadian education and experience is before they want to hire you but the immigrant also has a lot of work to do. There is a lot you can already do from home. Do your research. Find out what qualifications are needed to work in your field in Canada. Find out which province is best for your field. Which city. Find out how you build a Canadian style CV. Set up some interviews already. Then when you arrive, instead of settling somewhere without a job, come alone and travel so you can look for work. When doing interviews, scout out the company before you go there. Look at how the people dress and arrive for your interview looking like you will fit in. Get your hair cut similar to what you see professionals in your field do. You want to look like you are one of them, not fresh off the boat. Looking like you fit in helps you convince the employer that you have the skills. Looking like you came from another planet will not. Once you have a job, then bring the family. This would be the cautious way to immigrate.

The not so cautious way but still preferred by many immigrants would be like this. Don't do any research. Settle in some city you think is cool. Bring your whole family. Sign a 1 year lease on an apartment. Use up your savings while you wait for a job to fall into your lap. Really, and people think this is not asking for trouble? I have met so many immigrants who seem to think it is somebody's job to help them settle in Canada. They will ask how come nobody helped them find an apartment or a job. Now I don't know what it is like in their country but in Canada, nobody helps you find an apartment and a job, you have to get going and do it yourself.

Very direct but practical tips. Good points on the second paragraph-- integration is key.
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

Dear Leon,

What do you think about the prospect of foreign trained doctors who are already in Canada and especially about those doctors who completed their requirements for retraining (Residency programs) but could not get license because of shortage of residency positions?

According to CARMS (Canadian Residency Matching Service), for 2012 residency intake in Canadian residency programs, 2000 foreign trained doctors competed for approximately 300 positions.

I found your suggestions always helpful.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

deva said:
What do you think about the prospect of foreign trained doctors who are already in Canada and especially about those doctors who completed their requirements for retraining (Residency programs) but could not get license because of shortage of residency positions?

Unfortunately for doctors, there are a lot of hoops to jump through. Doctors are supposedly needed but the system to get them licensed is failing. A doctor in that position will really have to do some soul searching and think about is it really my calling to be a doctor or might I do something else. Some have taken office positions in hospitals or selling medical supplies. Some have taken the test to work as a registered nurse. Some choose to leave their family in Canada and work overseas themselves. The decision to do something like that doesn't have to be permanent either. You could take one of those options and still continue to try.

One thing to look into would be if CARMS is really responsible for 100% of the placements. Is it possible to get a position outside of CARMS, for example in a small town in a remote area where nobody wants to live? If it is, it is not like you would have to live there forever, just long enough to complete the requirements.
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

Dear Leon,
Thank you very much for your suggestions.

The licensing requirements are same everywhere in Canada. 4-5 years back there were some relaxations in licensing requirements for doctors who decided to practise in remote places of provinces and territories like Nunavut, New Brunswick, PEI etc. There were some special licenses called boarder licenses. Although these licenses were temporary in nature these allowed the new doctors to acquire Canadian experience which is a must for any Canadian job including residency training positons.

The Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons now unified their requirements for licensing and the places where doctors are on demand can no longer recruit doctors without the clearance from Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons. There are some relaxations for doctors trained in countires like USA, UK, Ireland, Australia, Newzealand, and South Africa, specially for some jurisdicions like GP or Family Physicians. But ultimately everybody needs to qualify in all the licensing exams. Doctors trained in other countries including, China, India, and countries in Europe need to go through the same difficult process and also need to cross similar barriers.

There were some special residency positions created for the immigrant doctors and those positions are known as IMG positions. The number of these positions are very few considering the number of qualified doctors competing for those positions. Now there is another scenario gradually taking its full shape as Canadian students going abroad for studying in medical schools while coming back after graduation are also competing for the same training positions which are created for the immigrant doctors. In last couple of years the total number of doctors recruited for training in residency programs in the training positions for IMGs were more among the CSA(Canadians Studied Abroad) than the number of trainees recruted from the immigrant IMGs.

So, the situation is gradually becoming difficult for the immigrant doctors. The Ministry of Health and Long term Care of Ontario formed an independent commission consisting of two retired provincial judges in 2010. The report was published in February, 2012.
The report clearly shows many things which the IMGs complained repeatedly. The recommendations and guidelines made by the commission can be used to solve the problems of foreign trained doctors.

I hope that the Ministry of Health will try to follow the recommendations and guidelines made by the commission.

Thanks.

Best Regards,



"Ministry Reports
Independent Review of Access to Postgraduate Programs by
International Medical Graduates in Ontario
by George Thomson and Karen Cohl
September 2011"
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/publications/ministry_reports/thomson/thomson.aspx
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

deva said:
So, the situation is gradually becoming difficult for the immigrant doctors. The Ministry of Health and Long term Care of Ontario formed an independent commission consisting of two retired provincial judges in 2010. The report was published in February, 2012.
The report clearly shows many things which the IMGs complained repeatedly. The recommendations and guidelines made by the commission can be used to solve the problems of foreign trained doctors.

It sounds like doctors should think twice before immigrating to Canada but hopefully they will solve the problem sooner than later. You can not just keep saying you need doctors and then not allow them an option to get licensed.
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

Leon,

Doctors are immigrating at a heavy number to Canada.
Chances of rejection is nearly zero for doctors. Canada needs doctors with its growing population but what hurts me the most that the overall healthcare system is apparently getting weaker as patients have often complained of not getting immediate emergency medical care upon appearing at the Emergency. One of my friends was diagnosed with Typhoid 2 days after he appeared at the Emergency. that guy suffered immensely and could have died.
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

There is a shortage of doctors. In some areas, people have a problem finding a GP. They can go to a walk in clinic but the wait is often longer and they are not always dealing with the same doctor. There is also a shortage of specialists because it can often take a while to get an appointment. Allowing doctors to immigrate is fine but it will not help if they are unable to work as doctors in Canada. They need to fix that.
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

Dear Leon and Jnathan,
Thanks very much for your comments.
Last year Honourable Premier of Ontario showed his interest to solve the problem of integration of immigrant doctors. Prominent national news media are also trying to mobilize public support which is also very important to solve this complicated issue. The formation of the independent commission and publication of the Ministry report is also indicative of good will of the Ontario government. I hope something is going to happen soon.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
 
Re: New immigrants are the ‘hidden homeless'

Specialist Surgeons and Experienced Doctors must be tested on their experiences rather than on paper based licensing exams those could make them uninterested from appearing on them resulting in moving themselves into another professions. Canada must be at the top of its Health Sector services.