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MUFC

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rayman_m said:
One thing for sure, people who will be planning to live linger outside Canada has to be careful in future unless this CLAUSE is over turns by a Federal Court.. So people who has intention in living Canada rest of their lives should not be worried..
Even those who are planning to live here until the rest of their days, have to be very scared because one day they will dare to cross the border which automatically will ring the bell in the CIC and the bell in Harper's Office. Right?
 

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MUFC said:
Even those who are planning to live here until the rest of their days, have to be very scared because one day they will dare to cross the border which automatically will ring the bell in the CIC and the bell in Harper's Office. Right?
Well, if they leave to spend a vacation in overseas will not be a issue when they will re enter Canada but they plan to make Canada as 2nd home while 1st home overseas there is a reasons to be scared..
 

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The ambiguity about the "intend to reside" clause will be cleared only when we see it actively implemented by the government. My belief is that it will be used to target those who leave Canada after being granted citizenship on the basis that they "lied" in the application about their intention to reside, but this is just my speculation.

Anyway, my advice to applicants is to refrain from making any arrangements to leave Canada while their application is still in process (e.g., apply for jobs abroad, travel unnecessarily to home country) and, instead, try to accumulate evidence indicating their genuine intent to stay (e.g., actively look for job, buy a property, open a RRSP/RESP, make big plans in Canada, not sure what else). This way, even if they have to stay abroad for some time after getting the citizenship for whatever reason, they have something to support their claim that they, in fact, had the intention to stay in Canada when they applied.

My 2 cents.
 

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Raman, this has been prone to debate left and right. Some people have made very valid argumentation that it will not apply beyond citizenship and I would tend to agree with asaif: Let's see in practice how it will be implemented although we may not be able to "see" anything before a year or even two years.

MUFC, if you don't mind please leave the sarcasm out of it. Some people are very concerned and the purpose of this forum is to analyze, debate and especially help our peers.
 

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rayman_m said:
Well, if they leave to spend a vacation in overseas will not be a issue when they will re enter Canada but they plan to make Canada as 2nd home while 1st home overseas there is a reasons to be scared..
In both cases the people don't reside in Canada when they are already citizens, so that means that the Minister can automatically revoke their citizenship.
Why these people don't want to spend their vacation in Canada ?
The answer is:
Because they want to reside abroad and therefore they deliberately have chosen destination for their vacation abroad. The Minister will be very angry when he find out.
 

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h3a3j6 said:
MUFC, if you don't mind please leave the sarcasm out of it. Some people are very concerned and the purpose of this forum is to analyze, debate and especially help our peers.
There is nothing to analyze when we are talking about FAKE Paranoia.
 

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Raman, this has been prone to debate left and right. Some people have made very valid argumentation that it will not apply beyond citizenship and I would tend to agree with asaif: Let's see in practice how it will be implemented although we may not be able to "see" anything before a year or even two years.

MUFC, if you don't mind please leave the sarcasm out of it. Some people are very concerned and the purpose of this forum is to analyze, debate and especially help our peers.
I don't think vast majority of the new applicants should be panic for this Intent clause. CIC will only target for very small percentage who has other plans in their mind..
 

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h3a3j6 said:
But why do we need to make it sound like a prison to people? Can you name one other country in the world with an "intent" to reside clause? Even Australians repelled such a "silly" clause in 1958!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_nationality_law
Britain for one.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/61

British Nationality Act 1981

6 Acquisition by naturalisation.
(1)If, on an application for naturalisation as a British citizen made by a person of full age and capacity, the Secretary of State is satisfied that the applicant fulfils the requirements of Schedule 1 for naturalisation as such a citizen under this subsection, he may, if he thinks fit, grant to him a certificate of naturalisation as such a citizen.
(2)If, on an application for naturalisation as a British citizen made by a person of full age and capacity who on the date of the application is married to a British citizen, or is the civil partner of a British citizen the Secretary of State is satisfied that the applicant fulfils the requirements of Schedule 1 for naturalisation as such a citizen under this subsection, he may, if he thinks fit, grant to him a certificate of naturalisation as such a citizen.

18 Acquisition by naturalisation.
(1)If, on an application for naturalisation as a British overseas territories citizen made by a person of full age and capacity, the Secretary of State is satisfied that the applicant fulfils the requirements of Schedule 1 for naturalisation as such a citizen under this subsection, he may, if he thinks fit, grant to him a certificate of naturalisation as such a citizen.
(2)If, on an application for naturalisation as a British overseas territories citizen made by a person of full age and capacity who on the date of the application is married to such a citizen, or is the civil partner of such a citizen the Secretary of State is satisfied that the applicant fulfils the requirements of Schedule 1 for naturalisation as such a citizen under this subsection, he may, if he thinks fit, grant to him a certificate of naturalisation as such a citizen.
(3)Every application under this section shall specify the British overseas territory which is to be treated as the relevant territory for the purposes of that application; and, in relation to any such application, references in Schedule 1 to the relevant territory shall be construed accordingly.

SCHEDULE 1
REQUIREMENTS FOR NATURALISATION
C82Sch. 1 modified (7.11.2002, partly retrospective) by Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (c. 41), s. 11
Naturalisation as a British citizen under section 6(1)
1(1)Subject to paragraph 2, the requirements for naturalisation as a British citizen under section 6(1) are, in the case of any person who applies for it—
(a)the requirements specified in sub-paragraph (2) of this paragraph, or the alternative requirement specified in sub-paragraph (3) of this paragraph; and
(b)that he is of good character; and
(c)that he has a sufficient knowledge of the English, Welsh or Scottish Gaelic language; and
(ca)that he has sufficient knowledge about life in the United Kingdom; and
(d)that either—
(i)his intentions are such that, in the event of a certificate of naturalisation as a British citizen being granted to him, his home or (if he has more than one) his principal home will be in the United Kingdom; or
(ii)he intends, in the event of such a certificate being granted to him, to enter into, or continue in, Crown service under the government of the United Kingdom, or service under an international organisation of which the United Kingdom or Her Majesty's government therein is a member, or service in the employment of a company or association established in the United Kingdom.
(2)The requirements referred to in sub-paragraph (1)(a) of this paragraph are—
(a)that the applicant was in the United Kingdom at the beginning of the period of five years ending with the date of the application, and that the number of days on which he was absent from the United Kingdom in that period does not exceed 450; and
(b)that the number of days on which he was absent from the United Kingdom in the period of twelve months so ending does not exceed 90; and
(c)that he was not at any time in the period of twelve months so ending subject under the immigration laws to any restriction on the period for which he might remain in the United Kingdom; and
(d)that he was not at any time in the period of five years so ending in the United Kingdom in breach of the immigration laws.
(3)The alternative requirement referred to in sub-paragraph (1)(a) of this paragraph is that on the date of the application he is serving outside the United Kingdom in Crown service under the government of the United Kingdom.

paw339 said:
New Zealand added an "intent to reside clause" to its citizenship application several years ago without any problems. As far as I'm aware the only immigrants (a very small number) who have had their citizenship removed or even questioned were immigrants who had actually made concrete plans to leave (booked flights, accepted job offers etc.) before the oath; clearly demonstrating that they were lying when they declared that they intended to reside in New Zealand after being granted citizenship. I know a number of "new" New Zealand citizens who have left New Zealand within 12 months after being granted citizenship because circumstances changed (Christchurch Earthquake) and that wasn't an issue.
Apparently New Zealand as well.

That's 2 other countries besides Canada.
 

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The U.S. not only requires (in effect) such intent, it has and enforces an intent requirement in maintaining PR (Green Card) status.

Canada can deny the citizenship application of any applicant for whom the evidence shows the lack of intent to continue to reside in Canada. In contrast, the U.S. can not only deny citizenship, it can and will revoke Green Card status for those who do not have the requisite intent to maintain residency in the U.S.
 

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dpenabill said:
The U.S. not only requires (in effect) such intent, it has and enforces an intent requirement in maintaining PR (Green Card) status.

Canada can deny the citizenship application of any applicant for whom the evidence shows the lack of intent to continue to reside in Canada. In contrast, the U.S. can not only deny citizenship, it can and will revoke Green Card status for those who do not have the requisite intent to maintain residency in the U.S.
I can confirm that.
When I was still a PR in US every time when I came back in US with absence more then 3 months I was questioned many times why I was absent from US for so long.

In comparison I have never been asked anything like this from the Canadians. NEVER.