New certificates for new PR application

[helps]

Hello everybody

I am being sponsored by my Canadian partner for PR
I met him when I was in Canada on a working holiday visa (IEC)

in the application for that visa (IEC) I had to submit PCs for all the countries Ive lived in etc etc...

my question is, if I have already submitted those documents in my previous visa application that was subsequently passed/approved, and I have not been to any other country since, do I need to get these documents again?

Will they look at my old/other successful visa application and use the information from that? Or will they not look at all?

Do I have to treat this new application for PR as a completely separate and new application? Or can I just tag it onto the old one aka as an extension type thing.

Or does CIC treat this as a new different app and not even touch my old app?

Thanks!

 

[PMM]

Hi

Hello everybody

I am being sponsored by my Canadian partner for PR
I met him when I was in Canada on a working holiday visa (IEC)

in the application for that visa (IEC) I had to submit PCs for all the countries Ive lived in etc etc...

my question is, if I have already submitted those documents in my previous visa application that was subsequently passed/approved, and I have not been to any other country since, do I need to get these documents again?

Will they look at my old/other successful visa application and use the information from that? Or will they not look at all?

Do I have to treat this new application for PR as a completely separate and new application? Or can I just tag it onto the old one aka as an extension type thing.

Or does CIC treat this as a new different app and not even touch my old app?

Thanks!

1. it will be treated as a completely new application.

 

[helps]

Hi


1. it will be treated as a completely new application.

So my IEC application holds no value?
Will they cross reference at all?

 

[zardoz]

So my IEC application holds no value?
Will they cross reference at all?

No, to both questions.

 

[Ponga]

With CIC's rule changes regarding PCC validity, wouldn't those original PCCs still be valid today, if the OP hasn't returned to those countries? CIC already has those originals on file.

 

[helps]

With CIC's rule changes regarding PCC validity, wouldn't those original PCCs still be valid today, if the OP hasn't returned to those countries? CIC already has those originals on file.

Thank-you Ponga
This is my question exactly

For fear of sounding spoilt or lazy, I need to obtain PCCs from countries that have very difficult application processes (If anybody has ever obtained a PCC from Japan you'll feel my pain)
I have not been to Japan ever since, surely they will see this if they did a passport check (I read somewhere that they can obtain your travel info from some sort of international passport tracking data, is this true or is that in extreme cases)

Do they not keep those originals with previous apps?
Do they still have previous apps onfile?
Do they use them/look at them for new apps?

 

[helps]

No, to both questions.

Thank you for your reply zardoz

When you say 'No to both questions', you are saying no, your previous app holds no value
And no, they will not cross check your old app

Am I interpreting this right?
And do you actually know this as a fact?
Why would they keep our old apps on file if they didnt want to cross reference them later?
Why use up all their data storage will outdated apps if they hold no value?

 

[dorabell]

Thank-you Ponga
This is my question exactly

For fear of sounding spoilt or lazy, I need to obtain PCCs from countries that have very difficult application processes (If anybody has ever obtained a PCC from Japan you'll feel my pain)
I have not been to Japan ever since, surely they will see this if they did a passport check (I read somewhere that they can obtain your travel info from some sort of international passport tracking data, is this true or is that in extreme cases)

Do they not keep those originals with previous apps?
Do they still have previous apps onfile?
Do they use them/look at them for new apps?

omg same here and I FEEL YOU! I have previously been studying in Japan for 6 months (to be more accurate - a week less than 6 months!). When I tried to obtain a PCC from Japan for my IEC application at that time, it was totally a nightmare. I am now applying PR too and I hope they won't ask for it again........ :-[ :-[ :-[ Let's pray...

 

[zardoz]

Thank you for your reply zardoz

When you say 'No to both questions', you are saying no, your previous app holds no value
And no, they will not cross check your old app

Am I interpreting this right?
And do you actually know this as a fact?
Why would they keep our old apps on file if they didnt want to cross reference them later?
Why use up all their data storage will outdated apps if they hold no value?

As far as I am aware, they will not use material that they have on file from an old, completed application to support a new application. If you still possess valid original documents that are required for a sponsorship application, they can be used as part of the new application but IRCC won't refer to document supplied as part of the IEC application. The only cross reference that they might make is to check that you didn't misrepresent either in the previous application or in the new one. We have seen people caught who gave conflicting information, or simply lied. I have no idea if they archive the paper applications, and if so, for how long, or if they are transferred elsewhere to be kept or simply destroyed. Certainly, people who sent in original documents when they should have sent copies, often never can get the originals back.

 

[helps]

So... basically, immigration will cross check old applications only to find ways in order to find you ineligible, aka: what you were saying about inconsistencies and what-not. They will in turn use this as a reason to deny your application

However, if they find things that deem you eligible, say all of the previous evidence to support your eligibility, they throw that to the wind and don't use that as supporting evidence at all...

cool

 

[canuck_in_uk]

So... basically, immigration will cross check old applications only to find ways in order to find you ineligible, aka: what you were saying about inconsistencies and what-not. They will in turn use this as a reason to deny your application

However, if they find things that deem you eligible, say all of the previous evidence to support your eligibility, they throw that to the wind and don't use that as supporting evidence at all...

They will only cross-reference what is in your electronic file.

They need original PCCs; they can't just look at a scan. Since your PR app is processed in a different office in a different province than your IEC app, it's not like the VO can just walk down the hall to get the originals.

 

[Ponga]

They will only cross-reference what is in your electronic file.

They need original PCCs; they can't just look at a scan. Since your PR app is processed in a different office in a different province than your IEC app, it's not like the VO can just walk down the hall to get the originals.

But that's my point. If CIC had in their possession original PCCs from the OP, previously, they would have generated an electronic file from the original(s), right? If the OP has not returned to those countries since, would they still be valid today?

I know...getting new ones would be the best option.

 

[Hasan9999]

So... basically, immigration will cross check old applications only to find ways in order to find you ineligible, aka: what you were saying about inconsistencies and what-not. They will in turn use this as a reason to deny your application

However, if they find things that deem you eligible, say all of the previous evidence to support your eligibility, they throw that to the wind and don't use that as supporting evidence at all...

cool

That's illogical indeed but in terms of their policy they treat each new application separately and that's why you need to collect the original PCs from the respective countries once again. I did that for my new application as well.

Hasan

 

[helps]

They will only cross-reference what is in your electronic file.

They need original PCCs; they can't just look at a scan. Since your PR app is processed in a different office in a different province than your IEC app, it's not like the VO can just walk down the hall to get the originals.

My case will actually be processed at the same office as a matter of fact, the processing office of my home country, there is only one.

Just to clarify, I applied for my previous visa the old analogue way, filling in a form with a pen and sending it in via mail, so what actually is my electronic file?

Thanks

 

[zardoz]

My case will actually be processed at the same office as a matter of fact, the processing office of my home country, there is only one.

Just to clarify, I applied for my previous visa the old analogue way, filling in a form with a pen and sending it in via mail, so what actually is my electronic file?

Thanks

This is GCMS (Global Case Management System). All of your details are held there for processing but I don't think that it holds scans of all your paper application and supporting documentation. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/atip/pia/global-phase2.asp