New Asylum Claimant - Roxham Border - Moving To Toronto Immediately After Submitting Asylum Claim

[mafghan]

Hello,

We are a family of 4. We are entering Canada through Roxham Border and will claim Asylum based on genuine fear of persecution.

We wish to move to Toronto. I presume that we may not be moved to a province of our choice. If we do have the choice (not sure), I presume that we might have to stay in a temporary shelter in Quebec or elsewhere for about 1-2 months before being moved to Toronto. Please shed some light on both scenarios.

My main question: Can we move to Toronto on our own expense after the initial procedure at Roxham Border? If it is possible, I need help with below

1) Will we receive Social Assistance and Shelter in Toronto? Will we be able to get shelter in Toronto within a day or two. Please note that since, we are moving immediately to Toronto, we don't plan to apply for any Welfare at Quebec.

2) Will we able to move our case file to Toronto with ease (Few points to remember once again: We will move to Toronto immediately after completing the initial procedure at Quebec, prior to utilizing Legal Aid at Quebec and obviously prior to submitting our BOC)

Your help will be high appreciated.

 

[Buletruck]

Stop spamming the site with the same question over and over.

 

[mafghan]

Stop spamming the site with the same question over and over.

Sure, I will delete all my duplicate posts. I just learned how forums works.

 

[torontob]

Hello,

We are a family of 4. We are entering Canada through Roxham Border and will claim Asylum based on genuine fear of persecution.

We wish to move to Toronto. I presume that we may not be moved to a province of our choice. If we do have the choice (not sure), I presume that we might have to stay in a temporary shelter in Quebec or elsewhere for about 1-2 months before being moved to Toronto. Please shed some light on both scenarios.

My main question: Can we move to Toronto on our own expense after the initial procedure at Roxham Border? If it is possible, I need help with below

1) Will we receive Social Assistance and Shelter in Toronto? Will we be able to get shelter in Toronto within a day or two. Please note that since, we are moving immediately to Toronto, we don't plan to apply for any Welfare at Quebec.

2) Will we able to move our case file to Toronto with ease (Few points to remember once again: We will move to Toronto immediately after completing the initial procedure at Quebec, prior to utilizing Legal Aid at Quebec and obviously prior to submitting our BOC)

Your help will be high appreciated.

1- You don't HAVE TO stay in shelter in Quebec. If you have the money you can take a bus, train, flight, taxi, rental car...and go from Roxham border or Montreal direct to Toronto.
2- You will have to apply for social assistance once you arrive in Toronto and yes you will receive it.
3- Shelters in Toronto are crowded and places you may not want to go if you have money. Government won't provide you shelter. There are organizations that can find you cheap or *maybe free housing you can get in touch with. They are for refugees like yourself. They may need time to find a place for your family.
4- Yes you can move it. But it will waste 1 month. They will not give your papers until 4-6 months when coming from Roxham road. If coming through official border (if you have immediate family) I think they will give your papers right away. Otherwise, you will go back to Montreal in 4 months for interview to get your papers or ask for transfer to Toronto which will make it 5 to 6 months for interview to get your papers. Trip to Montreal is also not too hard. You probably don't need legal aid in Quebec if you want to transfer case to Toronto.

Question: Why is your English so good? Someone helping you with writing this?

 

[canuck78]

1- You don't HAVE TO stay in shelter in Quebec. If you have the money you can take a bus, train, flight, taxi, rental car...and go from Roxham border or Montreal direct to Toronto.
2- You will have to apply for social assistance once you arrive in Toronto and yes you will receive it.
3- Shelters in Toronto are crowded and places you may not want to go if you have money. Government won't provide you shelter. There are organizations that can find you cheap or *maybe free housing you can get in touch with. They are for refugees like yourself. They may need time to find a place for your family.
4- Yes you can move it. But it will waste 1 month. They will not give your papers until 4-6 months when coming from Roxham road. If coming through official border (if you have immediate family) I think they will give your papers right away. Otherwise, you will go back to Montreal in 4 months for interview to get your papers or ask for transfer to Toronto which will make it 5 to 6 months for interview to get your papers. Trip to Montreal is also not too hard. You probably don't need legal aid in Quebec if you want to transfer case to Toronto.

Question: Why is your English so good? Someone helping you with writing this?

You don’t qualify for Quebec legal aid if not living in Quebec. You also should be only applying for social assistance if you don’t have your own savings. The welfare office should be verifying that you have minimal assets just like those applying in Canada have to do or they will also get refused. If you get “free housing” (taxpayer paid so not really free) that is not a room in someone’s home it is usually temporary situation until you find your own housing. Because of the high cost of living and the number of asylum seekers that continue to move to Toronto the system is paralyzed because there isn’t much affordable housing available especially for families. If you are a single person there are some opportunities for shared accommodations even shared rooms in shared accommodations that become affordable bust just barely. If families do not have their own savings or friends and family that they can live with or that can help them financially until they can get 2 full-time incomes or 1 full-time income If a well paid job they should really consider other cities for resettlement. Assume on the ground asylum seekers are being encouraged to consider other cities and based on previous years at a certain point Toronto will start relocating those in our shelter system to other communities in Ontario because they have run out of space and want to spread out the responsibility for resettlement throughout Ontario especially to communities where there is a need for workers and a lower cost of living for families.

 

[torontob]

You don’t qualify for Quebec legal aid if not living in Quebec. You also should be only applying for social assistance if you don’t have your own savings. The welfare office should be verifying that you have minimal assets just like those applying in Canada have to do or they will also get refused. If you get “free housing” (taxpayer paid so not really free) that is not a room in someone’s home it is usually temporary situation until you find your own housing. Because of the high cost of living and the number of asylum seekers that continue to move to Toronto the system is paralyzed because there isn’t much affordable housing available especially for families. If you are a single person there are some opportunities for shared accommodations even shared rooms in shared accommodations that become affordable bust just barely. If families do not have their own savings or friends and family that they can live with or that can help them financially until they can get 2 full-time incomes or 1 full-time income If a well paid job they should really consider other cities for resettlement. Assume on the ground asylum seekers are being encouraged to consider other cities and based on previous years at a certain point Toronto will start relocating those in our shelter system to other communities in Ontario because they have run out of space and want to spread out the responsibility for resettlement throughout Ontario especially to communities where there is a need for workers and a lower cost of living for families.

@mafghan, live where you think you will get jobs faster or where you like. You are free to live/work anywhere you want. No one should dictate to you otherwise. Don't worry about Canada government having issues with housing. That is the government job and their problem. Smaller cities mean less work opportunities; specially for new immigrants. Give your children and yourself all the opportunities provided regardless of what other Canadians or gov of Canada encourages you to do. That is the right thing probably for your family. Canuck78 won't move to a smaller town him/herself if he/she is living in a big city now on anyone else's word or gov encouragement and you don't have to either.

 

[Copingwithlife]

@mafghan, live where you think you will get jobs faster or where you like. You are free to live/work anywhere you want. No one should dictate to you otherwise. Don't worry about Canada government having issues with housing. That is the government job and their problem. Smaller cities mean less work opportunities; specially for new immigrants. Give your children and yourself all the opportunities provided regardless of what other Canadians or gov of Canada encourages you to do. That is the right thing probably for your family. Canuck78 won't move to a smaller town him/herself if he/she is living in a big city now on anyone else's word or gov encouragement and you don't have to either.

Splendid. ( Slow clap )

 

[canuck78]

@mafghan, live where you think you will get jobs faster or where you like. You are free to live/work anywhere you want. No one should dictate to you otherwise. Don't worry about Canada government having issues with housing. That is the government job and their problem. Smaller cities mean less work opportunities; specially for new immigrants. Give your children and yourself all the opportunities provided regardless of what other Canadians or gov of Canada encourages you to do. That is the right thing probably for your family. Canuck78 won't move to a smaller town him/herself if he/she is living in a big city now on anyone else's word or gov encouragement and you don't have to either.

Don’t worry about housing? That should be your biggest worry and the number one struggle for anyone moving to Canada but especially cities Where cost of rentals are high. The wait list for public housing in Toronto is around a decade so thos family will need to find a private rental they can afford. The government is not going to pay for their housing. It is very difficult to find an affordable rental in Toronto even if you are working. If you are going to work for close to minimum wage then it makes sense to live somewhere affordable to keep your costs lower. What’s wrong with small or medium sized cities? They are often more we,coming than bigger cities. For some high skilled jobs you are limited to larger cities. Montreal is a more affordable larger city but both Vancouver and Toronto are very tough to live in if you are on welfare, disability, minimum wage, single income household unless one very high income, etc. The applicant is a single parent with 2 children so cost of living needs to be a concern.

 

[torontob]

Don’t worry about housing? That should be your biggest worry and the number one struggle for anyone moving to Canada but especially cities Where cost of rentals are high. The wait list for public housing in Toronto is around a decade so thos family will need to find a private rental they can afford. The government is not going to pay for their housing. It is very difficult to find an affordable rental in Toronto even if you are working. If you are going to work for close to minimum wage then it makes sense to live somewhere affordable to keep your costs lower. What’s wrong with small or medium sized cities? They are often more we,coming than bigger cities. For some high skilled jobs you are limited to larger cities. Montreal is a more affordable larger city but both Vancouver and Toronto are very tough to live in if you are on welfare, disability, minimum wage, single income household unless one very high income, etc. The applicant is a single parent with 2 children so cost of living needs to be a concern.

What I said, "Don't worry about Canada government having issues with housing"
What you twisted it into, "Don’t worry about housing?"

The government issue is not a person issue. No matter what you say, the refugee will pick what is to their benefit and good for them. And this OP seems smart to me.