need advice same sex sponsor

[calzona89]

Hi there. Im from the philippines. Im currently applying for PR under quebec skilled worker program. Im also in a same sex relationship. We live in the same city but we dont live together. we will be 1 yr this june. If my PR gets approve and i will be in quebec, do i have a chance for conjugal sponsorship?? Or should we try for a visitor visa then get married in canada since philippines does not legalize same sex marriage? and there is no country in asia that perform same sex marriage. My problem is that she will be denied for the purpose of visiting is to marry. Advices would be a great help on what to do best with our situation. Thank u

 

[profiler]

Hi there. Im from the philippines. Im currently applying for PR under quebec skilled worker program. Im also in a same sex relationship. We live in the same city but we dont live together. we will be 1 yr this june. If my PR gets approve and i will be in quebec, do i have a chance for conjugal sponsorship?? Or should we try for a visitor visa then get married in canada since philippines does not legalize same sex marriage? and there is no country in asia that perform same sex marriage. My problem is that she will be denied for the purpose of visiting is to marry. Advices would be a great help on what to do best with our situation. Thank u

Can't she just visit you? Why do they need to know it's to marry?

The bigger question is, does she have travel history? If not, a visitor visa might be hard to get..

 

[calzona89]

Can't she just visit you? Why do they need to know it's to marry?

The bigger question is, does she have travel history? If not, a visitor visa might be hard to get..

She does not have a travel history. Its because i have read some conjugal sponsorship posts, what others say is to apply for a tourist visa and then get married in canada but the application gets refused. And that refusal could be a barrier thus a conjugal application..but i would really like to marry her though instead of going the conjugal sponsorship route

 

[profiler]

She does not have a travel history. Its because i have read some conjugal sponsorship posts, what others say is to apply for a tourist visa and then get married in canada but the application gets refused. And that refusal could be a barrier thus a conjugal application..but i would really like to marry her though instead of going the conjugal sponsorship route

Uhm. That sounds like a terrible idea.

She needs to get a visitor visa. To do this, they rely on: ability to fund your trip; chances that you will return home after (strong ties to your home country); and travel history. There are a few other factors, but those seem to be the biggest.

So, she should go on a trip somewhere that will stamp her passport. Then she'd have a travel history amd previous compliance. Then apply to visit Canada...

 

[calzona89]

Uhm. That sounds like a terrible idea.

She needs to get a visitor visa. To do this, they rely on: ability to fund your trip; chances that you will return home after (strong ties to your home country); and travel history. There are a few other factors, but those seem to be the biggest.

So, she should go on a trip somewhere that will stamp her passport. Then she'd have a travel history amd previous compliance. Then apply to visit Canada...

Ah okay2x..if she gets denied by the visitor visa..do we have chance to apply for conjugal partnership??

 

[profiler]

Ah okay2x..if she gets denied by the visitor visa..do we have chance to apply for conjugal partnership??

I do not believe you can play a visitor visa refusal against CIC to try to leverage a conjugal relationship sponsorship... I may be wrong, but they'd definately find some technicality to refuse it on.

Conjugal relationships are harder to prove and generally the processing time is longer due to the overwhelming evidence burdon.

You're far better, faster, and easier to just have her get some travel history and apply under spousal or common law.

 

[calzona89]

I do not believe you can play a visitor visa refusal against CIC to try to leverage a conjugal relationship sponsorship... I may be wrong, but they'd definately find some technicality to refuse it on.

Conjugal relationships are harder to prove and generally the processing time is longer due to the overwhelming evidence burdon.

You're far better, faster, and easier to just have her get some travel history and apply under spousal or common law.

Okay2x..thanks for the advice..

 

[calzona89]

I do not believe you can play a visitor visa refusal against CIC to try to leverage a conjugal relationship sponsorship... I may be wrong, but they'd definately find some technicality to refuse it on.

Conjugal relationships are harder to prove and generally the processing time is longer due to the overwhelming evidence burdon.

You're far better, faster, and easier to just have her get some travel history and apply under spousal or common law.

Have another question..what if we go to a country where same sex marriage is legal..can we marry there and shall our marriage be recognize as spousal sponsorship?? I searched for example, brazil does not require filipinos a visa to go there..

 

[Rob_TO]

I do not believe you can play a visitor visa refusal against CIC to try to leverage a conjugal relationship sponsorship...

Yes that's exactly what you can do. After OP lands as PR, her partner can try for a TRV to Canada. If that's refused, it will be 1 barrier to support conjugal, that they attempted to get legally married in Canada but were unable to.

Conjugal sponsorship is very hard to prove though. Applying for conjugal right after 1 year of dating someone may be very tough to prove. They will still need to show a "marriage like" relationship such as joint accounts, insurance on each other, shared finances, etc etc. Conjugal is not just for 2 people who are dating.

 

[profiler]

Have another question..what if we go to a country where same sex marriage is legal..can we marry there and shall our marriage be recognize as spousal sponsorship?? I searched for example, brazil does not require filipinos a visa to go there..

Sure. It would be recognized. Just a trip to Brazil would make the visitor visa easy to get for Canada...

 

[Rob_TO]

Have another question..what if we go to a country where same sex marriage is legal..can we marry there and shall our marriage be recognize as spousal sponsorship?? I searched for example, brazil does not require filipinos a visa to go there..

Yes this is certainly possible, and would by a much better option vs a conjugal app. As long as you get legally married in any country, the marriage will also be legal to CIC for immigration purposes.

If you get married before your PR is approved, you would add her to your own application and get PR together.

If you get married after your PR, then you would need to sponsor her under a new family class application.

 

[profiler]

Yes that's exactly what you can do. After OP lands as PR, her partner can try for a TRV to Canada. If that's refused, it will be 1 barrier to support conjugal, that they attempted to get legally married in Canada but were unable to.

Even if the reason for refusal was no previous travel histoey or history of compliance?

That would also mean that a person not having the proof of funds could do the same???

Something seems wrong about that...

 

[Rob_TO]

Even if the reason for refusal was no previous travel histoey or history of compliance?

That would also mean that a person not having the proof of funds could do the same???

Something seems wrong about that...

As part of a conjugal app, you need to show barriers to getting married or becoming common-law. A refused TRV to a country that allows same-sex marriage (like Canada) is such a barrier.

The reason for TRV refusal is completely irrelevant, it's the refusal itself that's important.

 

[calzona89]

Thanks for the idea guys.. it is really hard to prove conjugal. We cannot put each other as beneficiary or own a thing together because we are same sex couple but anyway your replies were greatly appreciated.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thanks for the idea guys.. it is really hard to prove conjugal. We cannot put each other as beneficiary or own a thing together because we are same sex couple but anyway your replies were greatly appreciated.

If I recall correctly, there is no law against living with a same sex partner in the Philippines. If so, there is no legal/immigration barrier preventing you from living together in the Philippines, which would make you ineligible for conjugal.