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I know it's nice to imagine the grass is greener, but be careful of thinking the US is any better on the job front. It's actually far worse.





And this is BEFORE the Republicans get in and eliminate help for anyone but the superrich.
 

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It doesn't matter where you go and where you live or where you want to live and be happy, as long as you are with your loved ones, with your family and together in 'this". :) That is all that matters.
 

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@clubcanada

Thank you very much for your input. Of course you know more about living in Canada comparatively as I have been there only for 10 days.

Talking about individual houses I can say that buying a house in Germany or Western Europe may be not that expensive compared to Canada but definitely very difficult to maintain as there are strict rules about maintenance.

I guess electricity is still cheaper in Canada (about 7 CAD cent per unit) compared to Germany (nearly 24 Euro cent per unit). Same is with water and waste water. I guess living in an appartment in Canada is comparable in terms of accessories but probably the detached or semi detached houses have low accesory costs. (May be I am wrong, but what a house owner said me was water is negligible and waste disposal is also cheaper, house taxes are almost same). You know here in EU heating cost is getting higher every year and 10% up this year too. Also the consumers will have to pay for the more and more eco friendly wind farms and solar electricity project to be launched in North Africa. From job prospective, for the new generations job is being very competitive and foreign experience is desired. I agree with you about health topic, but as a privately insured one health insurance is costly. About the episode of neighborhood drama, I read last year more than 4 incidents which caused loss of life of neighbors by neighbors.

Well only after trying we know what we missed back home and what we got in a new country.

@qwelbirzak
(about 20-50 years behind issue)
Its just saying and don't take this as a valid result after a research. Well in terms of infrastructure Europe is far ahead, it is difficult to develop such infrastructure in a big land mass like Canada or even US. Don't forget Europe is highly populated region with long history but North America is new settlement. Communication is another part, which is still expensive there in Canada than that was here 10 years before. But in certain aspects Canada leaves other countries behind. Well these can be disputable topics and my intention was not to show any country inferior.


CharlotteJ, I described my point of view in your thread but also learnt a lot from your posts. In fact, changed my mind to immediately land there. Hope you will not get angry for diverting your thread...... waiting to hear more from you about your job hunt and successful settlement.
 

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@PG:
The cost difference for utilities between canada and germany is quite marginal and will be eaten up by other cost anyway. For example: you might save some bucks for electricity but you will pay much more for internet or phone (cable + phone + cell + internet = $150-$200/month). The same applies to gas: gas is much cheaper in canada but you will drive much more due to a quite under-developed (and overpriced) public transport system. In fact, I didnt have a car in europe as I could get to work by public transport (even though it was in a very suburbian area). In canada you will need a car for sure just to get to work unless you work and live in downtown (which is more than unlikely).

@qwerbilzak:
not quite sure where you're heading with those stats as they refer to the poor in the US only (which in most cases correlates with a low educational background compared to most canadian immigrants who are in most cases highly qualified..)
 

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clubcanada said:
@ PG:
The cost difference for utilities between canada and germany is quite marginal and will be eaten up by other cost anyway. For example: you might save some bucks for electricity but you will pay much more for internet or phone (cable + phone + cell + internet = $150-$200/month). The same applies to gas: gas is much cheaper in canada but you will drive much more due to a quite under-developed (and overpriced) public transport system. In fact, I didnt have a car in europe as I could get to work by public transport (even though it was in a very suburbian area). In canada you will need a car for sure just to get to work unless you work and live in downtown (which is more than unlikely).
@clubcanada
I agree to that point and I was thinking one factor may compensate for another factor regarding the utilities. I believe the basic stuffs like communication may not stay as a "dear" commodity for a long time. The price may go down and come to the range of developed countries.

Well, I may not live in downtown, I prefer suburbs and peaceful locality. And I already felt in my short stay that its not smooth and pleasant to travel by TTC and specially by those "rigid" buses. A car would be a must. Believe me I still don't have a driving license, never felt necessary here (to spend nearly 2000 Euro for that) but now planning to have one and buy at least a second hand BMW or Mercedez here! Who knows as CharlotteJ said, I have to jump for a second hand Toyota, Ford or Mazda there :)
 

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Update here:

@PG: oh no dear, don't worry, I much appreciate such discussions as we off course learn a lot from each other's experiences, views and outlooks but also personal experiences.

Canada, and I speak for one and for Toronto only now, since I don't know how things might work in other cities or smaller towns or in for example Vancouver or Calgary, wish I had enough time and money to go and live in each major city for 3 months and compare all assets of life and lifestyle itself with each other, perhaps that is something I shall do in future too.

Infrastructure and housing system and all is so totally different and again, I put emphasis on the fact that " Canada is not USA, neither anywhere close to Europe".

European countries such as Germany, Denmark or the Netherlands may be far beyond a lot aspect of life and business by comparison, but when it comes to 'really live and enjoy your money", there is not much you can do there. I refer to them as "Nanny states" and "Sleepy hollow" places. If I go back, I will go back but only if I can't make it here and/or am doomed to fail otherwise I will only go back when I am retired. But then again, hopefully by that time, I will be rich enough to buy a lovely cottage and/or mansion somewhere deep in the woods in far North B.C. or AB as to enjoy magnificent nature and fresh air and peace.

I know this Canadian man who is retired and lives on his own in that "picture" and his emails always keep me dream of such day. His stories, animals he spots every day, things he should do or the way he should do them, all come out of one of those Hollywood movies but all as real as me sitting here now.

As soon as the snow starts to melt and thaw sets in, I shall go and visit him and stay there a few days to go Salmon fishing with him, watch Grizzly bears and spot Woodpeckers and Robins and enjoy BBQ outside and help with painting his wooden fences and dig trenches in his farm etc. He is such a nice guy and one of my closest friends. (Oh he is single! ANYBODY out there volunteering? :p

Ok ..

Here we go:

Who O' Who wants to help the nursing home where I volunteer with some accounting ASAP? If you have an MBA and/or experience in accounting and are willing to seriously build a good reputation and a solid positive reference at a prestigious Nursing Home here in Toronto (Yorkville), let me know. I am looking for a "volunteer" for a couple of weeks/days to help with accountancy. OK?

second:

I had replied to a job offer online, as Customer Care/Call Center representative for an IT company located in Mississauga and they sent me an email with further details on the job and so I answered all questions and fill out the inquiry and today I called for a feedback. A few minutes talk, I had to be kind of aggressive and tell them my story in short but adequately and that convinced them and so they wanted to view my resumé. I sent them my resumé immediately over the Email and again, minutes later a phone call, asking me what is my current compensation and/or how much my future compensation will be?

I told them I have no clue and explained the system I am used to back home in the Netherlands, so they told me themselves what that is what they can offer and so I was amazed that they didn't come up with 10.25$ hr but with $17hr! and a F/T (Full Time) position. I was like " Oh yeah ... r u kidding me? I sure will do my best for a job as such". So, They have submitted my request for the next level and to the Employer itself, as this appears to be a head hunter guy working for his own. Now I can only hope he will call back and "welcomes me the good news" tomorrow. :)

If that happens, my bf will be here with the next flight as to go and look for a home in Mississauga and now I know why many people want to live there, because I hear that it is quite cheap and FAR FAR cheaper living there than anywhere else in Toronto. Off course you need a car if you live in Mississauaga if you happen to work elsewhere. But in this case, that won't be necessary if I move close to work, right?

Our concierge was telling me that for like $900 to $1100 a month I would EASILY have a two bedroom apartment there or a condo.
;) maybe I ll become a close neighbour to a respected forumer I 've met here eh??? ;)

(if I find jobs elsewhere and relocate, will I miss the "Gaybourhood" + "Downtown" ? ... NO! A BIG NO. cause I am a country girl, I rather wake up with the noise of birds singing and see squirrels running around my yard and over the roofs and whenever I need something, to hop in the car and go for a ride around city and rather take Gardiner to enjoy the glittering skyline lights and marvel at the ever elegantly standing tall CN Tower and lake views than always hanging out in the same neighbourhood where I now live and have worked. Quite boring I shall say if you see the same thing everday though.

Anyway ... but my other luck is that as I 've mentioned before in previous posts I know this lovely Canadian man who is Real Estate Agent in Mississauga and he is now the VERY and ONLY person for me to ask for help in case I 've to relocate and he has said " Sure Charlotte, anytime" . :)

So, it won't be of such a big problem for me to relocate.

Now, another emotional aspect of immigration one of which we all somehow deal with or have to learn to deal with:

My Mother!

She is posting all these sad songs all the time on my Facebook wall and sending me messages how much she misses me, she is alone, she can't take it etc etc, that off course puts me under more pressure and emotionally I don't know how to deal with it. I am so busy with tens of other things here and off course I miss her too, I miss my bf and doggy a lot too, but then again, I know why I am doing this and my bf is even more determined and willing to be here and to go for it. So, I tell her not to comment as such and just be patient and accept that I was not happy there, sure I was working and had a good job that paid well, but please ... I was not happy in NL, I had hardly any real good friend who I could meet up with and the "emotional isolation" at both work and your neighbourhood and lack of friends, good friends, caring friends and loving people around you, which is "luckily" the case here, you might meet people of every colour and race and all, but once you meet them and make friends, you notice that people are really truly receptive here, they don't care if you are from Middle East, Asia, Africa, Latin America or wherever, they just say "hi", they ask questions and they genuinly are interested in knowing you and if they can, they meet you, they plan fun stuff with you and sure >>>>> THEY MAKE TO FIND TIME TO MEET UP!

Regardless, they go for it and all they can do after and next to all the misery here, hard labour and all, is to meet each other, share some fun time together and believe me, I 've never been really alone here ever since the first day. I didn't land in an isolation.

My neighbours hardly talk to me back in NL although I was living there for 10 years! They simply ignored you and each other, here?! My next door neighbour from Saudi Arabia calls me all the time, the other one a Jewish couple is always calling or asking if I want to have tea/coffee with them and others living on other floors who know me, they all meet with me from time to time and in the lobby when we encounter, there is a big party ongoing!
;)

(well off course I am a busy loud personality too though! attracting people ... ;D)

So ...

Then another good news:

A good friend and once a neighbour, still is! has just found a place to start her own business today. She is going to be running her own Mortgage Broker company with a few friends and she just offered me a job as mortgage agent. But in order for me to do that, I need to have me licensed and so she taught me how to do it and where to look at and also explained me how the system works and the software she works with and so I am going to take these short Mortgage agent courses, finish them and start working for her as a reliable source and local agent.

And who better than me, I am learning things, see things, have been through so many lies here that if I ever can become a mortgage agent, my aim will only be to help people really find a place to buy and to call home and not purely out of my own greed etc. Because I know how precious it is to be just having a nice small home, with your hubby and kids or pets and enough money to feed yourself and sleep without cash worries and/or nightmares. No commission based job for me but only a decent "enough" income so my bf can say "goodbye" to his demanding employer and start his own business because I know that he can be happier and make better money/steady good income if he works as freelancer. Especially people who work in IT I do advice to go for such plan.

Otherwise I won't mind if he becomes a taxi driver for some time while he is looking for a job in his field and if necessary go for a short course as to get himself certified according to Canadian standards. right?

Anyway ...

A lot has been happening today.

I also did volunteer today, as Office assistant and it wasn't difficult and they immediately noticed I am not JUST anybody! They were like " wow, you are good, how should we do this or do that?" and I was teaching them and at a certain point I realized I was kind of "managing" them at work! while I should just be a volunteer and am not on Payroll so I cooled down a bit! ;D Oh gosh that was kind of ackward, but they had to laugh a lot when I told them that.

Am going back to help on Friday again. They need me, but they sadly have no jobs available since they use a lot of volunteers. Smart eh?

Let's set up a good business all together and we only use "volunteers" as employees! cheap and China will be envious! :p

Ok .. gotta go now ...

Don't know how to deal with Mother factor, but I told her that she should just be happy for me and pray for me so I can root in here as when she retires an that will be in 2 years max. then I can have her come over and stay and live up again and be out of that boring way too quiet Dutch village where nothing happens and where nobody talks to nobody.

If I ever go back, it will be either for her or when I am fed up with life here and that might be when I am old enough as to understand that I no longer wish to run around and fight for anything but just go hybernate into a hole and only come out when the sun is shining and nobody find me an annoying feral specy among them because that is sadly the issue with much of Europe!

If you are from India, Pakistan, China, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Vietnam, Ukraine or Poland or etc, you will be looked down and treated as second range citizen at any given day, given time and despite your qualities. Unless you are lucky and might like me find a better place to live, otherwise nobody will like you anyway.

Ah well ... C'est la vie je pense! On ne peut pas changer tout. Il faut en accepter certain aspect moin amusant. :)
 

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charlotte..
Very well said.. such a nice thread..
I just wanna know ur location in toronto? mean ur apartment coz were planning to settle in northyork. How much is your monthly rental? and is hydro, elec, heat included?
Thanks
 

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niwrrehs said:
charlotte..
Very well said.. such a nice thread..
I just wanna know ur location in toronto? mean ur apartment coz were planning to settle in northyork. How much is your monthly rental? and is hydro, elec, heat included?
Thanks
I am downtown in a so called "Luxuary condo", but believe me nothing that luxuary about it. Excep that there are floor to ceiling windows and nice views and unless you 've bought one like my other neighbours who have been installing kitchens with extra touches and the latest gadgets etc and with more space to move around, mine is a standard one as in the showmodel and VERY small. I pay $1400 a month which is too much, I know.

Hydro is not included so I 've to pay for it quarterly. No parking, no locker.

North York is a good area, but also very popular area as it is like a whole town on its own. I don't think it is easy to find a condo cheaper than $1100 but if you look a bit farther than subway line, yes, you might find something nice.

From Finch Station to Yonge/Bloor will take you about 15minutes max. To Union Station something about 22 to 25 minutes.
 

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ok.. i just booked for 3nights at alldays hostel at selby st. near bloor.. and hoping that i will gonna find apartment near bloor coz as per my research at google earth, bloor st. is such a nice place and very near to groceries, fastfoodchains, banks, etc.. its all walking distance.
 

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CharlotteJ said:
I suppose perhaps like 10 years but sure not 50!
Exactly, Charlotte. Just what I was thinking too.
 

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clubcanada said:
@ qwerbilzak:
not quite sure where you're heading with those stats as they refer to the poor in the US only (which in most cases correlates with a low educational background compared to most canadian immigrants who are in most cases highly qualified..)
Fair point.

Though there are huge numbers of very well-educated Americans who can't get a job. But the main point was to bring balance to the position I've read here and there on these forums that the US is doing better. Believe me, it isn't.
 

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Study and getting short courses for little and some certifications according to Canadian standards?

https://www.senecac.on.ca/ce/programs/cr-list_all.html#M_tag

choose your favorite

click on the study as listed

next page; click on Winter 2011 as highlighted under section "Certificate Requirements"

read how long the course takes, how much it cost and you can apply / purchase one

I am going to get me some degree's here. :)
 

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niwrrehs said:
ok.. i just booked for 3nights at alldays hostel at selby st. near bloor.. and hoping that i will gonna find apartment near bloor coz as per my research at google earth, bloor st. is such a nice place and very near to groceries, fastfoodchains, banks, etc.. its all walking distance.
I know where that is.

Well, Bloor Street is a popular place for many who visit this city. It is THE place to be, with just on a stone throw distant, all the fancy boutiques and shops such as Chanel, MaxMara, Gucci, Coach, Luis Vuitton, Dior, Tiffany & Co. , Williams Sonoma, PotteryBarn, Zara, but also GAP and many more other shops and off course two large Department stroes, The Bay as well as the fancy Holt Renfrew with its above average price tag!

Yes, lots of supemarkets, there is "Longos" on Bloor East, there is "Bloor Market" on Bloor West and off course two or three Rabba's and on Sherbourne there is a NoFrills too.

I got plenty of choices here and honestly, "Longos" is as cheap as NoFrills but on a small scale which works well for me who doesn't have the time neither the urge to look around in a big supermarket for tens of thousands of articles and always get what I want.

There are lots of small shops on Church btw.

But am not sure if you can find a brand new condo for the price range I am in, I had the chance to rent when the building wasn't registered yet and landlords hopelessly seeking for tenants as to move in and pay their tenancy fee's, right now, my condo is lease for $1600 a month.

So I was lucky.
 

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Hey CharlotteJ,

Do you have any idea about rents range for studios ( modern in downtown)

P.S: I sent ya a private message yesterday