MSc degree points?

[scallop]

I understood your question in the other post. It's just that the information is not shown on the OINP website and I don't suppose this forum has lots of French speaking members. What is your CRS score currently? I think you should just create your profile, have your documents ready and hope for the best. It seems that there are very few invitations being sent out to French skilled workers. So either it's not in demand, or very few people are applying and Ontario is in shortage. It might not be even affected by the score at all, meaning that they pick all applicants regardless of their scores. So who knows, you could be lucky?

while i am reading i'm too much happy i imagine i close to My answer
YES,requirements available except master degree and one other
but as You know after 67 in FSW and B2 French Language ,candidate will be selected based on Express Entry pool
so here i have 2 Questions
1-is there chance without master degree fro this immigration process ?master has 25 scores in Express Entry[next step after getting 67 is Express Entry pool]
2-as you mentioned not in demand, is it possible Ontario cancel this program ?

Sir if i have 420 ,currently , and be sure possible , no need to start for getting more scores
my doubts is one side they won't cancel program and then this score is enough to receive invite ,without certainly i never start to apply under any program

Just i want to know between 440 to 450 can be enough lucky for getting ? unfortunately i understood last draw was 467 for EE and really is too high really ,for these kinds of groups who has score below 450[i read today is some site] have 2 options either nominee program or Valid Job offer[which is tough and impossible ] so now i back to my question which range should be obtain


one guy told me as they are not mentioned any score with any scores possible
but are you thinking i can rely on just THINK or reality


thanks and regards

 

[scallop]

while i am reading i'm too much happy i imagine i close to My answer
YES,requirements available except master degree and one other
but as You know after 67 in FSW and B2 French Language ,candidate will be selected based on Express Entry pool
so here i have 2 Questions
1-is there chance without master degree fro this immigration process ?master has 25 scores in Express Entry[next step after getting 67 is Express Entry pool]
2-as you mentioned not in demand, is it possible Ontario cancel this program ?

Sir if i have 420 ,currently , and be sure possible , no need to start for getting more scores
my doubts is one side they won't cancel program and then this score is enough to receive invite ,without certainly i never start to apply under any program

Just i want to know between 440 to 450 can be enough lucky for getting ? unfortunately i understood last draw was 467 for EE and really is too high really ,for these kinds of groups who has score below 450[i read today is some site] have 2 options either nominee program or Valid Job offer[which is tough and impossible ] so now i back to my question which range should be obtain


one guy told me as they are not mentioned any score with any scores possible
but are you thinking i can rely on just THINK or reality


thanks and regards

Why i asked this question because i have terrible experience of Quebec in time of Mon Project
i really fear for kick off New process without knowing well in first step and fall into trap and all my life again spoiled

 

[uppperkut]

@scallop, I'll try to address your questions to the best of my ability:

but as You know after 67 in FSW and B2 French Language ,candidate will be selected based on Express Entry pool"

I'm not sure why you keep referring to the FSW point system? You need enough FSW points to meet eligibility, but that's not what you should be "mainly" concerned about now. You need enough CRS points to be invited to start the EE application (i.e. being invited to apply fro EE). Creating an EE profile means you enter the EE pool. There's no time or effort wasted here, except to get your language tests and ECA certificates done. The process is:

1. Create EE profile (Must have language and ECA certificates)
2. Enter pool
3. Be invited to submit your application if your CRS is high enough
4. If you're invited, you submit your paperwork online

1-is there chance without master degree fro this immigration process ?master has 25 scores in Express Entry[next step after getting 67 is Express Entry pool]

It all depends on your CRS score. I didn't have a Master's degree but my IELTS score was high. You can increase your score by getting better language results, better degree, job offer, provincial nomination, etc.

2-as you mentioned not in demand, is it possible Ontario cancel this program ?

I was only guessing. Either the demand is low or high.

Just i want to know between 440 to 450 can be enough lucky for getting ? unfortunately i understood last draw was 467 for EE and really is too high really ,for these kinds of groups who has score below 450[i read today is some site] have 2 options either nominee program or Valid Job offer[which is tough and impossible ] so now i back to my question which range should be obtain

I feel like you're mixing the Ontario French Skilled Worker stream with Express Entry so let me try to explain:

1. Express Entry is the big umbrella. It's the primary immigration system.
2. Express Entry selection is based on CRS score. Draws these days are in the 455-460+ range.
3. Ontario Nomination Program is a provincial nomination program for people who are already in the EE pool and meet certain qualifications to get extra points to be added to their CRS score to get a guaranteed chance of being invited to Express Entry. The reason for that is that you get an additional 600 points on top of your CRS score. So this brings you well above the 455-460 mark, which results in an automatic invitation in the nearest EE draw. If you already have 420 CRS points, then your new score will become 1020 if you get your Ontario nomination.
4. The French Skilled Worker is a stream under OINP. It has certain requirements which you can read about here.
5. If you meet the OINP requirements, go ahead and create your EE profile. There's always a chance that French Skilled workers are selected regardless of their CRS score. Reason for that is that this stream might have low demand. I don't know really, but as I explained above, you're not losing much when you create your EE profile. Just sitting and stressing about what CRS score they're considering is a waste of life.

 

[scallop]

@scallop, I'll try to address your questions to the best of my ability:


I'm not sure why you keep referring to the FSW point system? You need enough FSW points to meet eligibility, but that's not what you should be "mainly" concerned about now. You need enough CRS points to be invited to start the EE application (i.e. being invited to apply fro EE). Creating an EE profile means you enter the EE pool. There's no time or effort wasted here, except to get your language tests and ECA certificates done. The process is:

1. Create EE profile (Must have language and ECA certificates)
2. Enter pool
3. Be invited to submit your application if your CRS is high enough
4. If you're invited, you submit your paperwork online

It all depends on your CRS score. I didn't have a Master's degree but my IELTS score was high. You can increase your score by getting better language results, better degree, job offer, provincial nomination, etc.


I was only guessing. Either the demand is low or high.


I feel like you're mixing the Ontario French Skilled Worker stream with Express Entry so let me try to explain:

1. Express Entry is the big umbrella. It's the primary immigration system.
2. Express Entry selection is based on CRS score. Draws these days are in the 455-460+ range.
3. Ontario Nomination Program is a provincial nomination program for people who are already in the EE pool and meet certain qualifications to get extra points to be added to their CRS score to get a guaranteed chance of being invited to Express Entry. The reason for that is that you get an additional 600 points on top of your CRS score. So this brings you well above the 455-460 mark, which results in an automatic invitation in the nearest EE draw. If you already have 420 CRS points, then your new score will become 1020 if you get your Ontario nomination.
4. The French Skilled Worker is a stream under OINP. It has certain requirements which you can read about here.
5. If you meet the OINP requirements, go ahead and create your EE profile. There's always a chance that French Skilled workers are selected regardless of their CRS score. Reason for that is that this stream might have low demand. I don't know really, but as I explained above, you're not losing much when you create your EE profile. Just sitting and stressing about what CRS score they're considering is a waste of life.

First Sir/i don't have words to express really my deeply gratitude for this much of magnanimity
Green highlighted Yes i was there i know all of them
edited post : hopely you see after edit
You mean with New score is possible
for red highlighted thanks for your advise

 

[scallop]

@scallop, I'll try to address your questions to the best of my ability:


I'm not sure why you keep referring to the FSW point system? You need enough FSW points to meet eligibility, but that's not what you should be "mainly" concerned about now. You need enough CRS points to be invited to start the EE application (i.e. being invited to apply fro EE). Creating an EE profile means you enter the EE pool. There's no time or effort wasted here, except to get your language tests and ECA certificates done. The process is:

1. Create EE profile (Must have language and ECA certificates)
2. Enter pool
3. Be invited to submit your application if your CRS is high enough
4. If you're invited, you submit your paperwork online

It all depends on your CRS score. I didn't have a Master's degree but my IELTS score was high. You can increase your score by getting better language results, better degree, job offer, provincial nomination, etc.


I was only guessing. Either the demand is low or high.


I feel like you're mixing the Ontario French Skilled Worker stream with Express Entry so let me try to explain:

1. Express Entry is the big umbrella. It's the primary immigration system.
2. Express Entry selection is based on CRS score. Draws these days are in the 455-460+ range.
3. Ontario Nomination Program is a provincial nomination program for people who are already in the EE pool and meet certain qualifications to get extra points to be added to their CRS score to get a guaranteed chance of being invited to Express Entry. The reason for that is that you get an additional 600 points on top of your CRS score. So this brings you well above the 455-460 mark, which results in an automatic invitation in the nearest EE draw. If you already have 420 CRS points, then your new score will become 1020 if you get your Ontario nomination.
4. The French Skilled Worker is a stream under OINP. It has certain requirements which you can read about here.
5. If you meet the OINP requirements, go ahead and create your EE profile. There's always a chance that French Skilled workers are selected regardless of their CRS score. Reason for that is that this stream might have low demand. I don't know really, but as I explained above, you're not losing much when you create your EE profile. Just sitting and stressing about what CRS score they're considering is a waste of life.

and Just one question
if someone get 467 for example in express entry ,as you mentioned big umbrella without having job offer or anyone there [Yes these days are around 460+] this is warranty to get invitation ?
suppose He/She now acting from outside of Canada and does not have any Canadian degree and family there and job offer
based on this high score is still possible?because EE score is from 1200 ... Yes many might be having job offer but those reach to 460+ just with high score in IELTS or French or his wife
How?

 

[uppperkut]

@scallop No worries, happy to help! Still think there's a miscommunication between us.

Ontario will select based on Express Entry pool ? correct ...so what is factor of Express Entry to win ? obviously CRS score up to here i understand

I don't know how Ontario selects French Skilled Workers from the pool, it may not be based on score after all. You only lose by not creating a profile. Imagine that you've been stressing all this time about a 20 point increase to your score when Ontario is inviting French speaking candidates with lower scores, just because of shortage in supply. Since you cannot find that information anywhere, just create a profile and hope for the best.

 

[uppperkut]

and Just one question
if someone get 467 for example in express entry ,as you mentioned big umbrella without having job offer or anyone there [Yes these days are around 460+] this is warranty to get invitation ?
suppose He/She now acting from outside of Canada and does not have any Canadian degree and family there and job offer
based on this high score is still possible?because EE score is from 1200 ... Yes many might be having job offer but those reach to 460+ just with high score in IELTS or French or his wife
How?

They can have Canadian education or work experience which weigh a lot.

In the past, foreign skilled workers and people who were already in Canada (on student or work visas) were applying separately for PR. Now, everyone applies under the same umbrella of Express Entry, so getting in became harder.

 

[scallop]

@scallop No worries, happy to help! Still think there's a miscommunication between us.



I don't know how Ontario selects French Skilled Workers from the pool, it may not be based on score after all. You only lose by not creating a profile. Imagine that you've been stressing all this time about a 20 point increase to your score when Ontario is inviting French speaking candidates with lower scores, just because of shortage in supply. Since you cannot find that information anywhere, just create a profile and hope for the best.

Yes sir Yes again Thanks and best wishes for You
This part that someone like me can not find ALL proper answer of doubts in Their government website little bit painful

 

[scallop]

They can have Canadian education or work experience which weigh a lot.

In the past, foreign skilled workers and people who were already in Canada (on student or work visas) were applying separately for PR. Now, everyone applies under the same umbrella of Express Entry, so getting in became harder.

Yes now harder ,i see statistic around 350 draw in last or 2 years ago
But few weeks ago minimum 467 was minimum .....

 

[uppperkut]

Yes now harder ,i see statistic around 350 draw in last or 2 years ago
But few weeks ago minimum 467 was minimum .....

It never went that low. The lowest was around 415 points back in mid 2017. Sometimes they have special draws for Federal Skilled Trades where the scores are really low.

 

[scallop]

It never went that low. The lowest was around 415 points back in mid 2017. Sometimes they have special draws for Federal Skilled Trades where the scores are really low.

I see sir
after your reply
i really have been thinking much more than before
NOW i think that with CLB9+B2 French+multi years work EXP+master degree... i don't know maybe should be super genius in world which Canada Let you to enter ,
anyway with that criteria and eligibility still i have doubt
Yes it depends on the situation how it progress !!! chance ! time other ingredients is involved

@uppperkut thanks too much for your reply and precious and valuable advise
but for ended up this thread i inform You i've not started Query with No reasons
as CRS has been changed in time and no one knows exactly which range and all consultants or others just say try to get more !!! Ok i promise you i'll get mock 500 [really i do] and as you mentioned exactly
about french skill worker and other programs Do i need master ? Based on which statistic i have to spend 2 years time+money+NOTHING
sometimes i think what'll happen really if Canadian Legislator clearly says to foreigner get 2 phd 3 languages 1 job offer 90% of applicant are applying across the Inside Canada and foreigner just you have 10% or little bit more 15 20 ....

 

[uppperkut]

Good luck!

 

[scallop]

Good luck!

You too
Thanks