Mother's TRV Refusal

[Rabe_arshad]

Dear All,

I and my wife are from Pakistan. My wife is pregnant and we don't have any relative in Canada. We had applied for my mother-in-law visa with the hope that she would come for TWO months and help us with pre/post delivery matters. I think, it's a very common practice with the people from Asia. However, her visa is refused 4 days after submitting the application.

Here are the things that we had attached.

1- Doctor's note from Canada
2- Available funds of 90,000 CAD
3- Property documents owned by my mother in law.
And, all the other necessary documents. It is worth mentioning that we had requested TRV for my father in law a couple of months ago. He had visited us in March and had left after 20 days.

The refusal is based on the employment prospects. You guys might know that most of the women are home maker in Pakistan. How can we address VO's concern?
GCMS Notes:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/103N0R0NIL96s4-4_8Y9maFq_i1Vx_X9q/view

Looking forward to having a prompt support.

 

[canuck78]

Dear All,

I and my wife are from Pakistan. My wife is pregnant and we don't have any relative in Canada. We had applied for my mother-in-law visa with the hope that she would come for TWO months and help us with pre/post delivery matters. I think, it's a very common practice with the people from Asia. However, her visa is refused 4 days after submitting the application.

Here are the things that we had attached.

1- Doctor's note from Canada
2- Available funds of 90,000 CAD
3- Property documents owned by my mother in law.
And, all the other necessary documents. It is worth mentioning that we had requested TRV for my father in law a couple of months ago. He had visited us in March and had left after 20 days.

The refusal is based on the employment prospects. You guys might know that most of the women are home maker in Pakistan. How can we address VO's concern?

Looking forward to having a prompt support.

Your MIL would be considered to be working illegally if she came to take care of your wife, baby and home. Canada has parental leave programs so you have the option and finances to take time off to help your wife with the baby and do the cooking and cleaning.

 

[Rabe_arshad]

Your MIL would be considered to be working illegally if she came to take care of your wife, baby and home. Canada has parental leave programs so you have the option and finances to take time off to help your wife with the baby and do the cooking and cleaning.

Thank you for your comment. By mentioning pre/post delivery support, I meant to have some kind of moral support for my wife. Since this is the first baby, we don't even know how to deal with pre/post procedures and thus would need guidance from someone. And, the best guidance and moral support can come from a mother, I believe. Since I am a full time PhD student, I cannot have parental leaves for a longer period, I wanted someone to be with my wife the whole day.

Any recommendations on obtaining visa approval will be appreciated.

 

[canuck78]

Thank you for your comment. By mentioning pre/post delivery support, I meant to have some kind of moral support for my wife. Since this is the first baby, we don't even know how to deal with pre/post procedures and thus would need guidance from someone. And, the best guidance and moral support can come from a mother, I believe. Since I am a full time PhD student, I cannot have parental leaves for a longer period, I wanted someone to be with my wife the whole day.

Any recommendations on obtaining visa approval will be appreciated.

You are saying it is just for moral support but she will likely be helping care for your wife and child plus doing the cooking and cleaning. I also know what is culturally normal. I assume the doctor’s letter also said she would be taking care of your wife and help with the baby. You can try again but it is unlikely to be approved without extra information that may change the visa officers mind. I have no idea what that extra information could be. They will refer back to the old application so you can’t change the purpose of visit. Unfortunately you didn’t look on the forum before applying. It is a bad idea to include a letter from a doctor and say you are coming for the delivery of a child. If your wife has a sister or cousin that could come you could try that. I’m sure your PhD program will give you 1-2 weeks off. You could work from home perhaps a few hours or a day a week. Lots of new parents are able to cope alone with a new baby. Babies aren’t that complicated. You can hire someone to help if you want or take a class that will teach you how to diaper a baby, bathe the baby, feed the baby, etc. The nurses will show you the basics quickly in the hospital and answer any questions. Lactation consultants are available through your province if your wife needs help/guidance breastfeeding. Taking care of a newborn really isn’t that complicated it is just very tiring. I can’t imagine your university won’t allow you to take 1-2 weeks off. When you come home you can then help with the baby and also help with the cleaning, cooking, shopping at least for the first month (or less). Taking care of a baby is tiring but most Canadian women stay at home with their baby without help. Many stay home with a child on top of a baby. You can always reach out via internet to your MIL for advice or moral support.

 

[Rabe_arshad]

You are saying it is just for moral support but she will likely be helping care for your wife and child plus doing the cooking and cleaning. I also know what is culturally normal. I assume the doctor’s letter also said she would be taking care of your wife and help with the baby. You can try again but it is unlikely to be approved without extra information that may change the visa officers mind. I have no idea what that extra information could be. They will refer back to the old application so you can’t change the purpose of visit. Unfortunately you didn’t look on the forum before applying. It is a bad idea to include a letter from a doctor and say you are coming for the delivery of a child. If your wife has a sister or cousin that could come you could try that. I’m sure your PhD program will give you 1-2 weeks off. You could work from home perhaps a few hours or a day a week. Lots of new parents are able to cope alone with a new baby. Babies aren’t that complicated. You can hire someone to help if you want or take a class that will teach you how to diaper a baby, bathe the baby, feed the baby, etc. The nurses will show you the basics quickly in the hospital and answer any questions. Lactation consultants are available through your province if your wife needs help/guidance breastfeeding. Taking care of a newborn really isn’t that complicated it is just very tiring. I can’t imagine your university won’t allow you to take 1-2 weeks off. When you come home you can then help with the baby and also help with the cleaning, cooking, shopping at least for the first month (or less). Taking care of a baby is tiring but most Canadian women stay at home with their baby without help. Many stay home with a child on top of a baby. You can always reach out via internet to your MIL for advice or moral support.

Thank you for suggestions and I really appreciate those.

Regarding the purpose of travel, if you see the GCMS notes on the original post, you will see that the purpose of travel was clear and it was NOT an issue with the visa officer. Thus the doctor's note proved to be a supportive document. The issue is with the employment status, if you see the notes.

Let me clarify the aforementioned point by sharing my personal experience. A few months ago, I had used Doctor's note for my younger sister's visa who had simply ZERO home ties.

Yes, I can get 1-2 weeks off. As I mentioned before, I can't get a longer parental leave like the regular employees in Canada. In the worst case, we have to manage somehow.

 

[Rabe_arshad]

Does anyone think if it is a good idea to get a supoort letter from a Federal Minister of Canada? Will it strengthen the case? Did anyone try this ever?

 

[canuck78]

Thank you for suggestions and I really appreciate those.

Regarding the purpose of travel, if you see the GCMS notes on the original post, you will see that the purpose of travel was clear and it was NOT an issue with the visa officer. Thus the doctor's note proved to be a supportive document. The issue is with the employment status, if you see the notes.

Let me clarify the aforementioned point by sharing my personal experience. A few months ago, I had used Doctor's note for my younger sister's visa who had simply ZERO home ties.

Yes, I can get 1-2 weeks off. As I mentioned before, I can't get a longer parental leave like the regular employees in Canada. In the worst case, we have to manage somehow.

There are hundreds of similar cases on this forum. Although it is not clear by the way they worded it this has to do with your MIL working in Canada which is caring for your wife and child. You should see if your little sister can come visit again. She was very lucky to have been given a TRV without any strong ties. Given her record of returning to her home country her chances are likely better. The only problem is that she was in Canada pretty recently.

1-2 weeks parental leave should really be fine. Your wife can take care of the baby during the day and if she is uncomfortable with things like bathing or leaving the house with the baby to do the shopping she can do it with you on the evenings and weekend. In Canada parents may stay a few days or 1-2 weeks if the family needs help especially if they have other children. For example my cousin gave birth Friday and had a C-section as a single mother. Her sister is staying for 3 days and her mother is staying for a week. If she hadn’t been a single mother most likely neither would have come down. They didn’t when her sister and her husband had their first child.

Would suggest reading through all the other similar cases on this forum.

 

[Rabe_arshad]

There are hundreds of similar cases on this forum. Although it is not clear by the way they worded it this has to do with your MIL working in Canada which is caring for your wife and child. You should see if your little sister can come visit again. She was very lucky to have been given a TRV without any strong ties. Given her record of returning to her home country her chances are likely better. The only problem is that she was in Canada pretty recently.

1-2 weeks parental leave should really be fine. Your wife can take care of the baby during the day and if she is uncomfortable with things like bathing or leaving the house with the baby to do the shopping she can do it with you on the evenings and weekend. In Canada parents may stay a few days or 1-2 weeks if the family needs help especially if they have other children. For example my cousin gave birth Friday and had a C-section as a single mother. Her sister is staying for 3 days and her mother is staying for a week. If she hadn’t been a single mother most likely neither would have come down. They didn’t when her sister and her husband had their first child.

Would suggest reading through all the other similar cases on this forum.

Sounds good. Your suggestions are very encouraging indeed. Thanks a lot!