misquoting the stay in canada for citizenship

[saqib sandhu]

i left canada after 6 months stay, as everone know they dont keep any record of exit at airport.
somehow i managed to skip the entry stamp at newdelhi airport bribing the immigration people.
now i have stamped my passport with "ENTRY" stamp of previous month using same tactics. so my passport shows that i just came back from canada last month.
now if i go back to canada this week, i will be able to gain entry as my PR card is valid till 2013.
But guys tell me, if i apply for ctizenship claming 3 years stay, how i will be able to proof my stay there ? i have no proof except passport stamp.
no salary payment, no job record, no rent payment, no activity at all. so what u guys suggest me.

 

[Leon]

Nobody can say for sure if you will get into Canada without questions. Your passport may have been scanned by the airline as you left or you may have left through the US which Canada shares information with. In any case, if they have suspicions, they can take measures to revoke your PR and you will have to prove your stay in Canada to appeal your PR which will be hard as you did not stay in Canada at all.

You will have the same problem trying to renew your PR card as if you try to apply for citizenship. You will have to write down where you have lived and worked for the last years. They may check and find no record of you working for those employers, living at those addresses or filing taxes in Canada. They will ask you to prove that you did not lie. If you are found to have lied, you will lose your PR and be deported.

 

[saqib sandhu]

my taxes were being paid by a friend in canada in last 2 years. althogh with zero income. further what if u say that i was living in a friends home free of cost. and that particular friend can give written consent as well. as far as working is concerned, many ppl work on cash on daily wages ? what proof they can have for such job ?

 

[Baloo]

my taxes were being paid by a friend in canada in last 2 years. althogh with zero income.

This is not what you said here.
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/recent-unread-topics/-t61680.0.html;topicseen

You mentioned that you are not declaring income, but you are being paid for work, so you cannot declare zero income, it is illegal.

I would take note of Leon's words - To be honest, your approach of using bribery, "using some tactics" and failing to declare income show that you are not really the sort of person that Canada needs. You need to reform your approach or expect to be deported.

 

[Leon]

my taxes were being paid by a friend in canada in last 2 years. althogh with zero income. further what if u say that i was living in a friends home free of cost. and that particular friend can give written consent as well. as far as working is concerned, many ppl work on cash on daily wages ? what proof they can have for such job ?

Having filed zero taxes is no proof that you lived in Canada. Saying that you had a cash on hand job (also illegal because you should file taxes on your income), is also no proof that you lived in Canada. The only thing you'd have left is the word of your friend that you lived for free in his house. It is very weak. I don't think immigration will buy that for a second.

 

[Egyman]

I would say you better stay at your country where you can practice your "nice tactics" and I could see you achieving a lot. Canada does not need you and it is people like you that make applications of people like us take so long because it is just one case like yours and they would suspect everyone.

 

[saqib sandhu]

dear friends. i respect ur criticism and reservations on this issue.
i applied in 2001 for immigration, the case processing time was 24 months, but it took 6 long years. it is not worth to discuss how much damage this indifference of CIC caused to me, my life and my family.
anyway i have not colleceted a single dollar from tax payers money in my pocket through illegal means. unlike many many others when i left canada i had almost 1000 insured working hours valued at 17500 CAD. i could have easily gone for benefits but i left for my own reasons.
what i am trying to do is streamline the things, if i feel it may cause any damage to me, i am happy here. but if i can exploit the weakness of law, its my rlegal right. i wasnt in canada for 2 years, but if i can legalise it somehow by paying any penalty to CRA for delayed disclosure of income, i will b ehappy to do that. my intent is not to have a monetary fraud, even i am ready to pay for the income that was never realised by me in 2years.

 

[saqib sandhu]

Having filed zero taxes is no proof that you lived in Canada. Saying that you had a cash on hand job (also illegal because you should file taxes on your income), is also no proof that you lived in Canada. The only thing you'd have left is the word of your friend that you lived for free in his house. It is very weak. I don't think immigration will buy that for a second.

well leone, thanx for the continued debate. kindly guide me, if the citizenship judge doesnt accept my point of living with a friend, he will refuse my case. thats it ? or anything else ?
moreover my PR card is valid till 2013, if i am given entry i can easily complete 2 years stay for PR renewal. on what basis the immigration ppl can deny me entry ? even if i have a stay of continued 2 years out of canada, its not violation of any rule.

 

[Leon]

I don't know what kind of trouble you get into if you lie about your residency for citizenship and get caught.

Immigration will not deny you entry. You can still meet the PR residency requirements so they will let you in and let you do that. If you had been gone longer and they were suspicious of you, they would still let you in but they could ask you to prove your residency.

 

[Baloo]

well leone, thanx for the continued debate. kindly guide me, if the citizenship judge doesnt accept my point of living with a friend, he will refuse my case. thats it ? or anything else ?
moreover my PR card is valid till 2013, if i am given entry i can easily complete 2 years stay for PR renewal. on what basis the immigration ppl can deny me entry ? even if i have a stay of continued 2 years out of canada, its not violation of any rule.

I think the point is that you will have to prove your stay meets the requirements for citizenship.

From the Web site
"You will be asked to complete a residence questionnaire and provide evidence that establishes residence in Canada, and you might be asked to appear in person before a citizenship judge. "

Without that evidence, the result is likely to be refusal.

Other points

i have not colleceted a single dollar from tax payers money in my pocket through illegal means.

However you did not declare earnings to the CRA, if I was cynical I might view your willingness to pay now was driven by other priorities.

my intent is not to have a monetary fraud, even i am ready to pay for the income that was never realised by me in 2years

That may be the case, but when you say...

somehow i managed to skip the entry stamp at newdelhi airport bribing the immigration people.

You have shown that you are OK with committing other offences (Looks like immigration fraud to me).



Committing offences like this can have severe consequences, if you are found to have lied, you will lose your PR and be deported.
You should not be surprised that some people who abide by the rules will find your actions reprehensible.

 

[TheHal]

You also comitted forgery...

You should just stay were you are, you are assuming that the Immigration people (CBSA) at the airport are stupid, and won't detect the forgery, and also that the Immigration judge won't realize that you are using the system. And LASTLY you are USING your friend to commit perjury, which is allso an offense...

Cheers
H.