Minium IELTS score for CEC: Skill Type "2" And Skill Level "A"

[mukgad]

Hi,

Could anyone be able to help me understanding what is the minimum IELTS test score needed to apply in CEC class for Skill Level A Occupation ?
Is 6 score enough in each testing ability in IELTS test ?

I am applying for NOC 2174, and I got 6.5 in IELTS (Listening:7, Reading:6,Writing:6, Speaking:6). Would I eligible for NOC 2174 (Computer Programmers and Interactive Media Developers). Is this score eligible to apply for above category?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

[Leon]

Your application guide, page 6 says:

If you have qualifying Canadian work experience at Skill Type 0 or Skill Level A of NOC, your test results must match the CLB/NCLC below (see chart):
o 7 or higher for each of the language abilities, or
o 6 for any one of the language abilities, 7 or higher for any other two of those abilities and 8 or higher for the remaining ability,

The chart at the top of page 8 shows that all your scores are right on the Benchmark 7 so you are ok with this IELTS.

 

[rjessome]

Your application guide, page 6 says:

The chart at the top of page 8 shows that all your scores are right on the Benchmark 7 so you are ok with this IELTS.

I hate that table in the Guide! It's so confusing to applicants. The OP's scores are NOT high enough for NOC A. The Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations state for Canadian Experience Class at Section 87(2)(b)(i):

(i) in the case of a foreign national who has acquired work experience in one or more occupations that are listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A of the National Occupational Classification matrix,
(A) 7 or higher for each of those abilities, or
(B) 6 for any one of those abilities, 7 or higher for any other two of those abilities and 8 or higher for the remaining ability, and


I can't even argue why it says one thing in the Guide and another in the Regulations because it makes NO sense. But I do KNOW that the Regulations overrule the Guide. So the OP should take the IELTS again because they need higher scores in at least 2 of those abilities.

 

[Leon]

(A) 7 or higher for each of those abilities, or
(B) 6 for any one of those abilities, 7 or higher for any other two of those abilities and 8 or higher for the remaining ability, and

This quote above is almost identical as what I quoted from the application guide. Does it say in the regulations somewhere that by these numbers, they mean IELTS scores?

In the application guide, the numbers referred to, 6, 7 and 8 are not IELTS scores, they are CLB (Benchmark) and the chart in the application guide shows how Benchmark relates to IELTS.

I totally agree that it is confusing. Why even have a Benchmark. Why not just use IELTS?

 

[rjessome]

This quote above is almost identical as what I quoted from the application guide. Does it say in the regulations somewhere that by these numbers, they mean IELTS scores?

In the application guide, the numbers referred to, 6, 7 and 8 are not IELTS scores, they are CLB (Benchmark) and the chart in the application guide shows how Benchmark relates to IELTS.

I totally agree that it is confusing. Why even have a Benchmark. Why not just use IELTS?

Geez! You are right! And I've been pushing people too hard! Oy vay! Ok, the Regs say in Section 79(2):

Assessment points for proficiency in the official languages of Canada shall be awarded up to a maximum of 24 points based on the benchmarks referred to in Canadian Language Benchmarks 2000 for the English language and Niveaux de compétence linguistique canadiens 2006 for the French language...

Although this relates directly to FSW, it's the standard used for all language results. And I've found a better table for interpretation than what's available in the Guide.

http://www.visascanadas.com/language-score.htm

Now THIS one explains it in a more understandable way. I'm going to bookmark it.

IELTS is the ONLY test CIC will accept for evaluation of English so I don't know why they don't just use IELTS. Maybe to confuse people??!! Ok, I'm just saying that because it frustrates me that even people who have studied this stuff get confused! They are probably leaving it open IN CASE they ever find another approved test. Seriously, the IELTS guys are cleaning up because they are the only game in town.

I learned something important today because of you Leon. Thanks!

 

[Leon]

We are all here to learn from each other. That's how we get smarter

This table you linked to is easier to understand for sure but it is maybe too simple. For example, it lumps Benchmark 6 and 7 together and while skill level A or O must have Benchmark 7, they need to know which IELTS score is Benchmark 6 and which is 7.

I see I forgot to link to the application guide, http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/5609E.PDF The table there is on page 8.

As for why they are still using Benchmark, I guess you may be right that they want to keep it because it was around before IELTS and if IELTS is replaced by something else, it might be around after IELTS too. They do actually accept this CELPIP test too but it is only available in Canada as far as I know so for most immigrants it is not even an option.

 

[PMM]

Hi

This quote above is almost identical as what I quoted from the application guide. Does it say in the regulations somewhere that by these numbers, they mean IELTS scores?

In the application guide, the numbers referred to, 6, 7 and 8 are not IELTS scores, they are CLB (Benchmark) and the chart in the application guide shows how Benchmark relates to IELTS.

I totally agree that it is confusing. Why even have a Benchmark. Why not just use IELTS?

You forgot CELPIP which also can be used.

 

[rjessome]

We are all here to learn from each other. That's how we get smarter

This table you linked to is easier to understand for sure but it is maybe too simple. For example, it lumps Benchmark 6 and 7 together and while skill level A or O must have Benchmark 7, they need to know which IELTS score is Benchmark 6 and which is 7.

I see I forgot to link to the application guide, http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/5609E.PDF The table there is on page 8.

As for why they are still using Benchmark, I guess you may be right that they want to keep it because it was around before IELTS and if IELTS is replaced by something else, it might be around after IELTS too. They do actually accept this CELPIP test too but it is only available in Canada as far as I know so for most immigrants it is not even an option.

Yes, I'll have to use the tables in combination but seeing them side by side will be SO MUCH easier!

 

[mukgad]

You Rock Leon!! Thanks a lot for clearing my confusion. I am happy to know that my IELTS score of 6.5 is right on benchmark 7 and eligible for NOC 2174 (Skill Level A Occupation). Awesome!!!

Thanks much once again!!

 

[snathan77]

NOC 2283 - Minimum IELTS score for PR under CEC

Hi,

PR under CEC.

My NOC # 2283

My IELTS Score is
Listening : 4.5
Reading : 6.0
Writing : 7.0
Speaking : 6.0

Is this score sufficient to file my PR or do i need to redo my IELTS ?

Pls advice

 

[Leon]

You can find the table at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/language-testing.asp now

Looking at your scores, it looks like your Listening is at CLB level 4, your Reading at CLB 7, your Writing at 9 and your Speaking at CLB 7.

Your NOC 2283 is skill level B which means you should reach CLB 5 to apply, see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/language.asp

It used to be so that it was ok to have one skill at level 4 if you have another skill at level 6 or higher to make up for it and you do so you would have been ok under the old rule but now they only seem to want CLB 5 or higher for all so according to that, you must sit again and improve your listening scores.