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Well, I know of several Americans, British, and Australian citizens that have been allowed to stay longer than 12 months as visitors.

But seriously. Look at this link:

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/italy-italie/experience_canada_experience/index.aspx?lang=eng
 

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amikety said:
Well, I know of several Americans, British, and Australian citizens that have been allowed to stay longer than 12 months as visitors.

But seriously. Look at this link:

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/italy-italie/experience_canada_experience/index.aspx?lang=eng
This is the first thing I thought I could do... months ago... however is expensive and my parents wouldn't lend me money for that... plus I guess I have to wait until next year cause it's over now.
Doesn't matter, we'll work it out when we're together and if we can't stay longer I'm willing to come back until i can stay there permanently... I would go through anything for him
 

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LauraLynnR said:
This is the first thing I thought I could do... months ago... however is expensive and my parents wouldn't lend me money for that... plus I guess I have to wait until next year cause it's over now.
Doesn't matter, we'll work it out when we're together and if we can't stay longer I'm willing to come back until i can stay there permanently... I would go through anything for him
what you could do is: come on a tourist visa. Stay in Canada with your partner. Keep an eye on the IEC visa coming up. Prepare your file, ask your partner to lend you the money. When the IEC visa are open again, apply for one. IF you get it, great, it means that you'll be able to stay for 1 year AND work - you might find that it's boring to be in Canada without being able to work.. it sounds all nice and ideal at the beginning, but it is really long! if you don't get the visa, well you can remain as a visitor and keep on extending until you qualify as CL and can apply, and get the PR... there is no maximum amount of time for extension. Come in with 6 months ( hopefully at the border), then apply for an extension and ask for 12 months. and see what happens!
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Be careful about what you bring with you as the VO may have a hard time understanding that you are a real visitor if you bring things that look more like you plan to stay.
 

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Sweden said:
what you could do is: come on a tourist visa. Stay in Canada with your partner. Keep an eye on the IEC visa coming up. Prepare your file, ask your partner to lend you the money. When the IEC visa are open again, apply for one. IF you get it, great, it means that you'll be able to stay for 1 year AND work - you might find that it's boring to be in Canada without being able to work.. it sounds all nice and ideal at the beginning, but it is really long! if you don't get the visa, well you can remain as a visitor and keep on extending until you qualify as CL and can apply, and get the PR... there is no maximum amount of time for extension. Come in with 6 months ( hopefully at the border), then apply for an extension and ask for 12 months. and see what happens!
Sweden
I would do the same. I came here with an IEC visa (Working Holiday) and I was really happy about it. I looked for a job for about 6 weeks until I finally found one and I can tell you: These 6 weeks without a job, just sitting at home and waiting for my boyfriend were really boring and I felt really dependent (even that I had a lot of savings and didn't have to worry about the money). I've been working for the same company for 13 months now (I'm on my second IEC visa - Young Professional) and we applied for PR CL in April 2013. IEC will probably start again in the end of 2013 or in the beginning of 2014. The visa itself is only 110 Euro and you only need your passport and an Italian police certificate translated into English and not older than 3 months. When you get the visa and find a job it will help you to save a lot of money because the PR application will cost you between $1500 and $1800 (approximately).
 

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Rob_TO said:
This is completely wrong info.

You can live together for 12 months any way you can. It doesn't matter if you're here on visitor status or not. So you could very well live here with him for 6 months as a visitor, and then either renew your visitor status for another 6 months here... or have him visit to your home country for 6 months. As long as it all adds up to 12 months continuous cohabitation, you will qualify as common-law. And only then you could submit your PR application. Make sure while living together you collect as much proofs as possible like shared lease, bills, credit card/bank acct, etc etc.

Or you could just get married and apply. But if you get married too quickly after meeting in person, it's often seen as a red flag. Best to spend as much time together as possible first.
Laura Lynn, this is exactly what we had done after being together awhile. We decided to immigrate me from the USA after being together for awhile. I came to Canada for 6 months, went back to America for only 3 weeks and returned for another 6 months (even though it was 3 weeks, they still considered it 12 months living together) We had a joint bank account, shared lease on apartment, my name was on all the bills (as was his), and then we provided all the other information they want (letters, mail addressed to us both, photos, etc). I have actually been in Canada for 2 years and 2 months. 6 months then left for only 3 weeks. Then returned for 5 months, applied for extension and got it for a year, then I just reapplied since I'm in second stage of my application process 2 months ago.

So if you stay for 6 months and apply for extension you don't have to leave until you get an answer because you will have implied status (Ive been here the past 2 months on that) until they make a decision then you have to leave within the month or you get to stay until you asked for. If you stay 6 months and then apply for extension, ask for the 6 months and another 6 months - 1 year to allow yourself time to qualify for common law status and get the application process started and explain why you would like to be able to stay through the process or whatever.

Mind you, I work for a company in the states from home so I just brought my computer and tablet to do my illustrations from here to be able to support myself along with my common law husband's support.

Good luck to you!
 

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Sweden said:
what you could do is: come on a tourist visa. Stay in Canada with your partner. Keep an eye on the IEC visa coming up. Prepare your file, ask your partner to lend you the money. When the IEC visa are open again, apply for one. IF you get it, great, it means that you'll be able to stay for 1 year AND work - you might find that it's boring to be in Canada without being able to work.. it sounds all nice and ideal at the beginning, but it is really long! if you don't get the visa, well you can remain as a visitor and keep on extending until you qualify as CL and can apply, and get the PR... there is no maximum amount of time for extension. Come in with 6 months ( hopefully at the border), then apply for an extension and ask for 12 months. and see what happens!
Sweden
Well my plans are to leave on September 5th 2013 and I'm SUPPOSED to come back on March 3rd 2014 (mine is a round trip ticket and it's perfect cause they're right a bit less than 6 months for just 2 days! So I am within the provided limits) but I won't come back... customs won't know that i wanna extend my visitor status... I'll just tell them I'm visiting a friend or something... then, when I will have been there for 4/5 months we can extend it and hopefully they'll approve it.
Just a thing: when it's almost an year we're together and we go to apply for PR can I tell them that me and my boyfriend are planning to get married or should I avoid it?
 

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Pippin said:
Be careful about what you bring with you as the VO may have a hard time understanding that you are a real visitor if you bring things that look more like you plan to stay.
just the bare essentials I promise! ;)
 

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LauraLynnR said:
Well my plans are to leave on September 5th 2013 and I'm SUPPOSED to come back on March 3rd 2014 (mine is a round trip ticket and it's perfect cause they're right a bit less than 6 months for just 2 days! So I am within the provided limits) but I won't come back... customs won't know that i wanna extend my visitor status... I'll just tell them I'm visiting a friend or something... then, when I will have been there for 4/5 months we can extend it and hopefully they'll approve it.
Just a thing: when it's almost an year we're together and we go to apply for PR can I tell them that me and my boyfriend are planning to get married or should I avoid it?
The only way CIC would need to know is if you do get married while your PR is still in process. You can tell them you want to get married eventually, but I would leave that out.
 

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amikety said:
The only way CIC would need to know is if you do get married while your PR is still in process. You can tell them you want to get married eventually, but I would leave that out.
Does something change if we get married while my PR is in process? Cause I read that it would probably speed up the process but I seriously doubt it... To get it done in Italy we need to wait 14 months, a very long time, so knowing how things work here I doubt they could make it faster!
 

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Laura Lynn, this is exactly what we had done after being together awhile. We decided to immigrate me from the USA after being together for awhile. I came to Canada for 6 months, went back to America for only 3 weeks and returned for another 6 months (even though it was 3 weeks, they still considered it 12 months living together) We had a joint bank account, shared lease on apartment, my name was on all the bills (as was his), and then we provided all the other information they want (letters, mail addressed to us both, photos, etc). I have actually been in Canada for 2 years and 2 months. 6 months then left for only 3 weeks. Then returned for 5 months, applied for extension and got it for a year, then I just reapplied since I'm in second stage of my application process 2 months ago.

So if you stay for 6 months and apply for extension you don't have to leave until you get an answer because you will have implied status (Ive been here the past 2 months on that) until they make a decision then you have to leave within the month or you get to stay until you asked for. If you stay 6 months and then apply for extension, ask for the 6 months and another 6 months - 1 year to allow yourself time to qualify for common law status and get the application process started and explain why you would like to be able to stay through the process or whatever.

Mind you, I work for a company in the states from home so I just brought my computer and tablet to do my illustrations from here to be able to support myself along with my common law husband's support.

Good luck to you!
First of all thanks! :) It might sound stupid but I need to end a book I started some years ago and start another one while i'm there in Canada and my boyfriend's out for work... So I guess i already have something to keep myself busy until i'm allowed to find a job, something that however I can't do as a tourist ::) The first thing I wanted to take with me was indeed my laptop... to keep our pictures, conversations and everything else close at hand and TRY to publish it and save some money for what's coming after... (finger crossed)
 

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you are 20 and you want to get married? lol. i second the user who mentioned applying for a student visa and taking it easy. who knows you might feel different about your boyfriend in 4 years times. if it comes to that then at least you will have a degree in hand..;D

LauraLynnR said:
Hi everyone! My name's Laura and I'd like to receive some information about how immigrating in Canada.
I'll try to be as clear and short as possible: I'm 20 years old and I live in Italy. Starting from October 11th 2012 i find myself in a long distance relationship with a canadian guy that i met on August 2012 and now we'd like to meet each other (finally!) within the first week of September.
Since I'm leaving in September and I can stay just for 6 months, I'll go back on March 2014. He's gonna host me in the apartment he bought for us and since he works he will be able to support me when I'm there to stay.
The problem is that we have projects for the future, such as get married as soon as possible and have kids, but first I need to stay there permanently.
We would like to apply for my permanent residence under the "Family Sponsorship" class, but we have no idea of what to do!
We've been looking for months but we still aren't ready and prepared.
I just wanted to know which steps we have to follow: have I to live with him a certain amount of time to be able to apply for the permanent residence? If I need to, do I have to extend my tourist visa so I can stay more? (how? I don't need one to travel there)
We aren't married yet, cause we considered to do it after I can stay there permanently, so how can we define ourself? Conjugal/Common-law partners? I don't think so, we're just in a long distance relationship.
I'm sorry for all my questions but I really need to find out what can I do to stay in Canada permanently and start my life there with me.
I hope you can help me (I don't trust websites anymore cause they just confuse me and never give me a sure answer) and I thank you all in advance.
Laura
 

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LauraLynnR said:
Does something change if we get married while my PR is in process? Cause I read that it would probably speed up the process but I seriously doubt it... To get it done in Italy we need to wait 14 months, a very long time, so knowing how things work here I doubt they could make it faster!
14 months means - 80% of applications are done in 14 months or less. Many applications are done in less than 14 months. 50% are done in 13 months or less.

To get a better idea of how long it *really* takes, you can talk to people on the Rome Thread. What I suspect is - people applying from countries outside Italy (especially ones that require a visa) are what is slowing down the process. If you apply outside your home country, the IO makes special trips to interview you in your home country. (Example, if you're Swiss and apply through the Paris VO, the IO at the Paris office will arrange a trip to Switzerland to interview you, if needed.) However, these trip are only done 1-2 times per year, so if you apply at the "wrong" time, you may have to wait 11 months before the interview comes to you.

Another item that slows down processing are security checks. If you've lived in Italy your whole life, there isn't much to worry about. It's if you've lived in countries that have fringe governments, hostile (To Canada) governments, "terrorist" governments, etc. Many of them are on poor terms with Canada and some of them just have poor public infrastructure and services. So when CIC requests your security check, they can take a very long time to reply. I've heard of some taking over a year to acknowledge the Canadian government's request.

So those are two big reasons why applications can take so long. In your case, #1 won't apply to you - and probably won't happen. Visa exempt citizens are rarely interviewed. (But if you are, you will have to go back to Rome.) #2 just depends on where you have lived, but if you've lived in a "modern" country (Visa exempt countries) then there is little to worry about.

It is not a guaranteed process time. (There is no such thing.) It is a guideline.

Getting married won't change your processing times. What it will do is make CIC request a copy of your marriage certificate. Anytime they are waiting on you to send something in, they are allowed to set your file aside until you provide the requested documents. So it has the possibility of slowing them down. So if you do get married, I would inform them by mailing the marriage certificate with a letter explaining you got married and here's the certificate. You can even include a few pictures from the wedding. That way they don't have to wait.

CIC (and the Canadian government) consider Common-Law partners to be the same as married for all intensive purposes. You have the same rights and both are legal unions. There is little difference aside from a formal legal marriage contract.
 

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LauraLynnR said:
Just a thing: when it's almost an year we're together and we go to apply for PR can I tell them that me and my boyfriend are planning to get married or should I avoid it?
Note that you can't apply when it's "almost a year". You can begin preparing the application before, but you can't send it to CIC until you reach the 1 year mark of living together, and not a day earlier.

We applied for my spouse as common-law status, and in our application we stated we are also engaged and even showed pictures of her wearing the engagement ring, announcing the engagement on facebook etc. To us, it showed further proof the relationship was genuine.

amikety said:
14 months means - 80% of applications are done in 14 months or less. Many applications are done in less than 14 months. 50% are done in 13 months or less.
Think you have a typo there.

For Rome office, "spouse & partner" class, 50% of applications are done in around 8 months or less. 20% of applications are done in 6 months or less. So for a straightforward application, one can be optimistic they will get a relatively quick processing time.
 

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Rob_TO said:
Note that you can't apply when it's "almost a year". You can begin preparing the application before, but you can't send it to CIC until you reach the 1 year mark of living together, and not a day earlier.

We applied for my spouse as common-law status, and in our application we stated we are also engaged and even showed pictures of her wearing the engagement ring, announcing the engagement on facebook etc. To us, it showed further proof the relationship was genuine.

Think you have a typo there.

For Rome office, "spouse & partner" class, 50% of applications are done in around 8 months or less. 20% of applications are done in 6 months or less. So for a straightforward application, one can be optimistic they will get a relatively quick processing time.
I checked the Open Data Project. My computer won't let me open the Spreadsheet right now, but someone else can verify. It was created in 2010, but modified (I would assume updated) April 2013.

http://www.data.gc.ca/data/en/dataset/427337d0-7c36-4fed-8428-c6a63f8c19b3