Mental Support Required-Because Of This Immigration System [BOOKED IELTS AGAIN]

[averma]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Hello Guys,

Once I have been the regular person to post in this forum but because of my last IELTS result (gave on October 8th, 2015), I have been very much in fallen state. Reason because just of less 0.5 marks in Writing section, the whole thing got devastated.

My score was -
Overall - 7.5 bands,
Listening - 8.5 bands,
Reading and Speaking - 7.5 bands each
Writing - 6.5 bands (the major culprit).

I even submitted the scores for re-valuation for writing section BUT got no change.

Just because of this 0.5 less score, I loose a straight 53 points in overall points scoring for Canada Immigration.

I am standing currently at 407 points while with 7 bands in each, I will be at 462 points.

Not only this, but I even consider opting for other country Australia also, but again because of this 0.5 less points, I am not able to my place there too in the pool.

My current total there is 55 points while to get a call from Australian Immigration department, the cut off is 60 points.

Now, what to do??? I am hugely depressed because of this foolishness of both these governments who like to rate us through IELTS while our major experience ("skills") in actual not value to them.

I am thinking again to give IELTS once more (my third try this time) but again I am wondering that whether I will make it or not with a score of 7 bands each in all sections.

1st IELTS - given in July 2015 - overall score 6.5 bands with 5.5 bands in Writing, 8 bands in Listening, 6.5 bands each in Writing and Speaking.

2nd IELTS - given in October 2015 - overall score 7.5 bands with 6.5 bands in Writing, 8.5 in Listening, 7 bands each in Writing and Speaking.

Now the 3rd try?????? Tired of this. Plus putting on money on the test.

Well help me please to get out of this nuisance. Guide me please on how I can score 7 overall. I am planning to go for British Council again (my both first and second IELTS from their only).

Any support will be appreciated.

Thanks
K

Hi Karenn.. I can very well understand how IELTS results can eat your head and empty your wallet. I myself went through the same situation.

IELTS 1st Attempt in Oct'2014 from IDP: L-8, R-7, S-7, W-6.5
IELTS 2nd attempt in Oct'2015 from BC: L-7.5, R-8, S-7.5, W-7.5
IELTS 3rd Attempt in Jan'2016 from BC: L-8, R-7, S-7, W-6
IELTS 4th Attempt from IDP (This is going to be my last attempt): 2nd April 2016

So you can very well see how IELTS has made an impact on my CRS score and chances of direct ITA. If in the second attempt, I had scored 0.5 more in listening then my CRS would have been 462 which would have got me direct ITA. As a results, I am standing at CRS 411 now and have accepted PT interest from Ontario.

But to answer your question, there are other ways.

1. For Australia with 55 points, you can file your case under Skilled Migration 190 visa provided your occupation is in the CSOL list and you meet the entry requirements of the state where your occupation is open. Some of the states in Australia requires you to be a graduate from their state only or valid job offer or family ties etc. But if your occupation is open in Victoria or NSW, then there would not be such conditions. If you get a nomination from any state then you get 5 additional points and your total points becomes 60. What is your occupation by the way?
2. If you are married then you can claim points for your spouse also if your spouse occupation is also listed in CSOL. You just need to get your spouse skills assessment done and if positive you get additional 5 points. This makes it to 65 points. With 65 points for 190 visa, you will get an ITA in maximum 1 month time provided you are not from one of IT or accountant occupations.
3. Try to give PTE academic as many people who struggled with IELTS did wonders with PTE academic. PTE only works for Australia though.
4. For Canada, take the Ontario PNP way as this is pretty much the choice for people under 450. If not, the reappear for IELTS for one more time and try your luck. But I have a strong feeling that IDP and BC do it deliberately to make more money.

Hope this helps.

 

[karenn1617]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Hi Karenn.. I can very well understand how IELTS results can eat your head and empty your wallet. I myself went through the same situation.

IELTS 1st Attempt in Oct'2014 from IDP: L-8, R-7, S-7, W-6.5
IELTS 2nd attempt in Oct'2015 from BC: L-7.5, R-8, S-7.5, W-7.5
IELTS 3rd Attempt in Jan'2016 from BC: L-8, R-7, S-7, W-6
IELTS 4th Attempt from IDP (This is going to be my last attempt): 2nd April 2016

So you can very well see how IELTS has made an impact on my CRS score and chances of direct ITA. If in the second attempt, I had scored 0.5 more in listening then my CRS would have been 462 which would have got me direct ITA. As a results, I am standing at CRS 411 now and have accepted PT interest from Ontario.

But to answer your question, there are other ways.

1. For Australia with 55 points, you can file your case under Skilled Migration 190 visa provided your occupation is in the CSOL list and you meet the entry requirements of the state where your occupation is open. Some of the states in Australia requires you to be a graduate from their state only or valid job offer or family ties etc. But if your occupation is open in Victoria or NSW, then there would not be such conditions. If you get a nomination from any state then you get 5 additional points and your total points becomes 60. What is your occupation by the way?
2. If you are married then you can claim points for your spouse also if your spouse occupation is also listed in CSOL. You just need to get your spouse skills assessment done and if positive you get additional 5 points. This makes it to 65 points. With 65 points for 190 visa, you will get an ITA in maximum 1 month time provided you are not from one of IT or accountant occupations.
3. Try to give PTE academic as many people who struggled with IELTS did wonders with PTE academic. PTE only works for Australia though.
4. For Canada, take the Ontario PNP way as this is pretty much the choice for people under 450. If not, the reappear for IELTS for one more time and try your luck. But I have a strong feeling that IDP and BC do it deliberately to make more money.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the revert and sharing the insights.

Well, answer to your points are -

1. For Australia with 55 points, you can file your case under Skilled Migration 190 visa provided your occupation is in the CSOL list and you meet the entry requirements of the state where your occupation is open. Some of the states in Australia requires you to be a graduate from their state only or valid job offer or family ties etc. But if your occupation is open in Victoria or NSW, then there would not be such conditions. If you get a nomination from any state then you get 5 additional points and your total points becomes 60. What is your occupation by the way?

I tried searching for that and only end up with getting an option with Victoria. I am currently heading an internet firm startup (experience of over 5 years now) with expertise in marketing and advertising, got many publications, online radio station, webTVs as our brands (all I created in past five years). Education wise, I did Bachelor of Engineering in Computers from Mumbai University, India and Postgraduate Certificate in Networking from Aston University, UK.

Other than this, the overall issue which create a mess in this is that some states are asking to show a lot of funds - like of $20,000 AUD, which is very difficult for me to show.

2. If you are married then you can claim points for your spouse also if your spouse occupation is also listed in CSOL. You just need to get your spouse skills assessment done and if positive you get additional 5 points. This makes it to 65 points. With 65 points for 190 visa, you will get an ITA in maximum 1 month time provided you are not from one of IT or accountant occupations.

I am Single at the moment. So this point will not work for me at all.

3. Try to give PTE academic as many people who struggled with IELTS did wonders with PTE academic. PTE only works for Australia though.
One other member in this post of mine also suggested the same to me. I am trying to gather information of the same but it seems less information available. Well, I still not registered for IELTS and still got two-three days to finalize. Will go through the option. Here for this, if you can share possibly some sample papers link, then it will be really helpful (if you know the source).

4. For Canada, take the Ontario PNP way as this is pretty much the choice for people under 450. If not, the reappear for IELTS for one more time and try your luck. But I have a strong feeling that IDP and BC do it deliberately to make more money.
I do agree on the money thing as after all they both are running businesses and if they clear all the people in one go, then how they can increase their account balance. Over Ontario PNP, I am still thinking but to be honest here, based on the experience in hand and in all these months (since from last IELTS failure), I feel that Australia will work more well here as the IT/Internet/Media - related demand is quite high there. Although both countries get their majority of work from US, but Canada is always known for Accountancy (banking sector mainly) and Australia (for IT/Internet/Media). What you say on this?

 

[averma]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Thanks for the revert and sharing the insights.

Well, answer to your points are -

1. For Australia with 55 points, you can file your case under Skilled Migration 190 visa provided your occupation is in the CSOL list and you meet the entry requirements of the state where your occupation is open. Some of the states in Australia requires you to be a graduate from their state only or valid job offer or family ties etc. But if your occupation is open in Victoria or NSW, then there would not be such conditions. If you get a nomination from any state then you get 5 additional points and your total points becomes 60. What is your occupation by the way?

I tried searching for that and only end up with getting an option with Victoria. I am currently heading an internet firm startup (experience of over 5 years now) with expertise in marketing and advertising, got many publications, online radio station, webTVs as our brands (all I created in past five years). Education wise, I did Bachelor of Engineering in Computers from Mumbai University, India and Postgraduate Certificate in Networking from Aston University, UK.

Other than this, the overall issue which create a mess in this is that some states are asking to show a lot of funds - like of $20,000 AUD, which is very difficult for me to show.

Hmmm agree funds are bit on a higher side for Australia. At least get your skills assessment done first and see if you get through. Before skills assessment please check if your occupation is open in any of the states (www.anzscosearch.com\<occupationcode>, example www.anzscosearch.com\261311) because it is already March and in Australia occupation list gets revised each year in July. So please hurry up. Moreover since you are self employed you would have an option to give a self statutory declaration for Australia and not many people can have this option. You can very well understand how people run away the moment they hear words like statutory declaration or affidavit. Try you luck with skills assessment sir.

2. If you are married then you can claim points for your spouse also if your spouse occupation is also listed in CSOL. You just need to get your spouse skills assessment done and if positive you get additional 5 points. This makes it to 65 points. With 65 points for 190 visa, you will get an ITA in maximum 1 month time provided you are not from one of IT or accountant occupations.

I am Single at the moment. So this point will not work for me at all.

Agree.

3. Try to give PTE academic as many people who struggled with IELTS did wonders with PTE academic. PTE only works for Australia though.
One other member in this post of mine also suggested the same to me. I am trying to gather information of the same but it seems less information available. Well, I still not registered for IELTS and still got two-three days to finalize. Will go through the option. Here for this, if you can share possibly some sample papers link, then it will be really helpful (if you know the source).

PTE exam is not difficult but you should definitely know the tricks to score well in PTE. You need to practice a lot before appearing. Please go through YouTube channels or find an online tutor for PTE. Advantage with PTE is two folds
1. Results are out in maximum 5 days. In some case, it came out the next day only.
2. There will be no problem to find a test date whereas in IELTS you will always have a waiting list.

But before writing PTE, make up your mind for Australia.

4. For Canada, take the Ontario PNP way as this is pretty much the choice for people under 450. If not, the reappear for IELTS for one more time and try your luck. But I have a strong feeling that IDP and BC do it deliberately to make more money.
I do agree on the money thing as after all they both are running businesses and if they clear all the people in one go, then how they can increase their account balance. Over Ontario PNP, I am still thinking but to be honest here, based on the experience in hand and in all these months (since from last IELTS failure), I feel that Australia will work more well here as the IT/Internet/Media - related demand is quite high there. Although both countries get their majority of work from US, but Canada is always known for Accountancy (banking sector mainly) and Australia (for IT/Internet/Media). What you say on this?

Yes, chances of getting a job in IT in Sydney will always be greater then finding an IT job in Toronto. But at the same time you should also understand that cost of living is high in Australia as compared to Canada. Australia market is driven by Chinese market and if China does not do well Australia will be impacted. But nevertheless I believe looking at some factors like Climate and your job industry, Australia is definitely a better option. I am a Data Analytics professional and both Australia and Canada has good number of opportunities for my profile. But I would rate Australia above Canada for my profile.

 

[karenn1617]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Yes, chances of getting a job in IT in Sydney will always be greater then finding an IT job in Toronto. But at the same time you should also understand that cost of living is high in Australia as compared to Canada. Australia market is driven by Chinese market and if China does not do well Australia will be impacted. But nevertheless I believe looking at some factors like Climate and your job industry, Australia is definitely a better option. I am a Data Analytics professional and both Australia and Canada has good number of opportunities for my profile. But I would rate Australia above Canada for my profile.

Thanks for the revert back.

Over the ANZSCOSEARCH and state-wise nomination, I got many of the fields (jobs) which are directly related to me - to name the few, they are -

225212: ICT Business Development Manager - Very likely - as my 80 to 90 percent work is related to it.
263111: Computer Network and Systems Engineer - 60 to 65 percent work is related to it.
225113: Marketing Specialist - again 80 to 90 percent work is related to it.

Like this, there are many areas where I have my experience makes a count.

Further, the statutory declaration or affidavit thing - agree on this as people always think that are they doing any crime if they have to provide something like this BUT as I am self employed from past five years, I can understand the thing well and do feel that this is a plus in Australia whereas in Canada, the same thing creates a mess as it is more difficult to provide in Canada when it comes to education and experience assessment as compared to that of Australia.

Over PTE Academic, I just downloaded and tried one sample paper and found it easy BUT yes, will have to do more research before finally making my mind for that as I do require at least 30 to 45 days for preparing it.

You mentioned you too are working in your IT sector - if you don't mind sharing where you are based right now i.e. where your job region basically - India or abroad.

Thanks.

 

[MZASAM]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Hi All,

Truly frustrating; my case is the same. Writing 6.5.

Well, it's revenue generation trick of IELTS. I applied for remarking. No solution. Appeared three times, same result.

How silly and senseless. The assessment should be reviewed for all future aspirants.

Difference of .5 in writing makes 50 points > Try for OINP.

No point in getting depressed. IT is not the end of the world. We are all at the receiving end.

Many policies, procedures are irrelevant and illogical. We need to be patient and keep doing our best.

 

[Stanlee]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Thanks for the revert back.

Over the ANZSCOSEARCH and state-wise nomination, I got many of the fields (jobs) which are directly related to me - to name the few, they are -

225212: ICT Business Development Manager - Very likely - as my 80 to 90 percent work is related to it.
263111: Computer Network and Systems Engineer - 60 to 65 percent work is related to it.
225113: Marketing Specialist - again 80 to 90 percent work is related to it.

Like this, there are many areas where I have my experience makes a count.

Further, the statutory declaration or affidavit thing - agree on this as people always think that are they doing any crime if they have to provide something like this BUT as I am self employed from past five years, I can understand the thing well and do feel that this is a plus in Australia whereas in Canada, the same thing creates a mess as it is more difficult to provide in Canada when it comes to education and experience assessment as compared to that of Australia.

Over PTE Academic, I just downloaded and tried one sample paper and found it easy BUT yes, will have to do more research before finally making my mind for that as I do require at least 30 to 45 days for preparing it.

You mentioned you too are working in your IT sector - if you don't mind sharing where you are based right now i.e. where your job region basically - India or abroad.

Thanks.

Did you check your occupation in NSW under subclass 190? They do not have any fund requirement. The requirement is you need to get VETASSESS done.

 

[FWSAPPLICANT]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Well let me check and see if it make sense for you.

You are giving PTE Academic or PTE General and do it is valid in both the countries - Canada and Australia?

PTE academic and only valid for Australia.

Btw what's wrong with Ontario PNP? Why you are not willing to take that option.

 

[averma]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Did you check your occupation in NSW under subclass 190? They do not have any fund requirement. The requirement is you need to get VETASSESS done.

Yeah, but NSW 190 with 55 points for the occupations mentioned by him there are very less chances of getting an ITA. I am absolutely sure about it. Even if he gets an invite, there will be a waiting period of minimum 6 months. Even for other states where funds needs to be shown, it solely depends on the Case Officer. If he asks to show the funds then you need to else not. As per the current trend hardly 10% of the applicants are asked for it. It all depends on D day what the Case Officer thinks.

For Australia, one must try PTE academic.

 

[averma]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Thanks for the revert back.

Over the ANZSCOSEARCH and state-wise nomination, I got many of the fields (jobs) which are directly related to me - to name the few, they are -

225212: ICT Business Development Manager - Very likely - as my 80 to 90 percent work is related to it.
263111: Computer Network and Systems Engineer - 60 to 65 percent work is related to it.
225113: Marketing Specialist - again 80 to 90 percent work is related to it.

Like this, there are many areas where I have my experience makes a count.

Further, the statutory declaration or affidavit thing - agree on this as people always think that are they doing any crime if they have to provide something like this BUT as I am self employed from past five years, I can understand the thing well and do feel that this is a plus in Australia whereas in Canada, the same thing creates a mess as it is more difficult to provide in Canada when it comes to education and experience assessment as compared to that of Australia.

Over PTE Academic, I just downloaded and tried one sample paper and found it easy BUT yes, will have to do more research before finally making my mind for that as I do require at least 30 to 45 days for preparing it.

You mentioned you too are working in your IT sector - if you don't mind sharing where you are based right now i.e. where your job region basically - India or abroad.

Thanks.

Hey no I am not working in IT. I am based out of Delhi and working in Delhi only.

 

[karenn1617]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Yeah, but NSW 190 with 55 points for the occupations mentioned by him there are very less chances of getting an ITA. I am absolutely sure about it. Even if he gets an invite, there will be a waiting period of minimum 6 months. Even for other states where funds needs to be shown, it solely depends on the Case Officer. If he asks to show the funds then you need to else not. As per the current trend hardly 10% of the applicants are asked for it. It all depends on D day what the Case Officer thinks.

For Australia, one must try PTE academic.

Yes, you are right mate. That's why I am more of interested in going for 189 subclass visa as it gives bigger chances to be in the list plus the best benefit is that there is no funds requirement to show.

 

[ImmiToCanada]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Sorry to read your story, just a few suggestions for your reference

a) try to research some high scored IELTS essays and do it a 3rd time getting a score above 7.0.

b) consider CELPIP instead of IETLS if you are in Canada, or if you plan to travel to Canada some time. This test is only available in Canada

c) apply for a PNP, this gives you 600 points

 

[karenn1617]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Sorry to read your story, just a few suggestions for your reference

a) try to research some high scored IELTS essays and do it a 3rd time getting a score above 7.0.

b) consider CELPIP instead of IETLS if you are in Canada, or if you plan to travel to Canada some time. This test is only available in Canada

c) apply for a PNP, this gives you 600 points

Thanks for the message.

a) try to research some high scored IELTS essays and do it a 3rd time getting a score above 7.0.
After talking with some of the people here in the forum as well as after doing research on my own, I am thinking of going for PTE Academics.

b) consider CELPIP instead of IETLS if you are in Canada, or if you plan to travel to Canada some time. This test is only available in Canada
I am thinking for PTE Academics instead of IELTS as feel and believe that Australia might work more better as compared to Canada.

 

[perfectSkilledMigrant]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Thanks mate for the response as well as sharing the websites. It will be useful.

I got one question here for you - what do you think how much an average time require to put in per week for per section preparation.

I am currently heading a start-up (an internet media firm) with sitting whole day over the internet.

Thanks again.
K

That will depend on your level of English..... as knowing English is very different than practicing for the test itself ... you are most likely already very familiar with the test procedure and process..


IF you get the practice exams, do one a day .....which would take you the same duration as the real IELTS exam....3 hours I think ?

 

[karenn1617]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

That will depend on your level of English..... as knowing English is very different than practicing for the test itself ... you are most likely already very familiar with the test procedure and process..


IF you get the practice exams, do one a day .....which would take you the same duration as the real IELTS exam....3 hours I think ?

Hello,

Thanks for the input. Well after thinking a lot on the matter, I again booked IELTS to give it one final try.

Reason because I thought of PTE Academics also but on thinking deeply, the con I find out is that it will be valid only for Australia and not for Canada and if I really want to give the thing one more try, then better work again on something which benefits both the things.

Over practice exams and other things, I am planning to make up a plan this time so that I will be able to secure 7 bands in each of them in anyhow so that the chapter of this IELTS test will be over once and all.

Any more suggestions, any guidance over preparation will be appreciated.

My score last time was -

Overall - 7.5 bands
Listening - 8.5 bands
Speaking - 7 bands
Reading - 7 bands
Writing - 6.5 bands

Thanks in advance.

P.S. I booked with British Council again.

 

[averma]

Re: Mental Support Required - Because Of This Immigration System

Hello,

Thanks for the input. Well after thinking a lot on the matter, I again booked IELTS to give it one final try.

Reason because I thought of PTE Academics also but on thinking deeply, the con I find out is that it will be valid only for Australia and not for Canada and if I really want to give the thing one more try, then better work again on something which benefits both the things.

Over practice exams and other things, I am planning to make up a plan this time so that I will be able to secure 7 bands in each of them in anyhow so that the chapter of this IELTS test will be over once and all.

Any more suggestions, any guidance over preparation will be appreciated.

My score last time was -

Overall - 7.5 bands
Listening - 8.5 bands
Speaking - 7 bands
Reading - 7 bands
Writing - 6.5 bands

Thanks in advance.

P.S. I booked with British Council again.

Take services of some online tutor specifically for Writing and only take it for checking your essays and letters. Please prepare well for reading and speaking as you are standing exactly at the cut off. I would also recommend to watch YouTube channels and take some writing tips.