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mirkopal

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sorry to bother you again. I am starting to fill in an application form for my partner as a conjugal partner. I am a PR and It's been 2 years almost we are together and we have a big obstacle to live together (he lives in france and i basically am doing a back adn forth mtl-paris once a month).
we are a same sex couple and we are italians, so for the italian law we are not recognized. Even if we are going to have a civil union (PACS) in france, our union is not recognized in italy.
That is why I would like to ask some information about the documents that I would like to send to Missisauga for the application.
I have a friend who last year sponsored his partner to have the PR, and at the beginning, to gain time in processing, they send the application in mississauga with medical form (from medical visit) and criminal records included. Result: they had the answer (positive) in only 4 months...when he got accepted the visa office in rome only convocated him to give him the visa on his passport...because all the medical and criminal records were already done.
I would like to do the same thing, with my partner, I have already found the places here in Paris where to do the med visit. My question is
which documents should I bring?

If i have understood well, the documents to give to the doctor are the
1. Medical Report, Section A – EDE, Spouse or Common-law Partner Class (English) that you can find here
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/inFORMation/applications/spouse.asp
how many copies? I have read that doctor should give him back a copy when he finishes the visit, a copy to be send with the application. is that another copy that doctor has or it's the same imm1017?

2. Appendix C? ( i am not sure about that)
(Appendix C — Fillable form
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When you and your family members go for your medical examination, make sure you have this sheet completed for each person, along with the following items:

* passports for yourself and your family members, plus a photocopy of the bio-data page of each passport. If a passport is not available, provide an official identity document bearing the photo and date of birth of the family member;
* eye glasses or contact lenses, if you or your family members wear them;
* previous medical report(s), if any. You must tell the examining doctor about all past and present medical problems and conditions, and provide the doctor with any available documentation such as physician’s reports, treatment or prescriptions; and
* five recent pictures taken within six months preceding the date of the examination and, where applicable, a negative for yourself and your family members (see section on photos in the instructions on how to complete the Application for permanent residence).

Make an appointment with one of the doctors identified on the enclosed list. A Medical Report, Section A (form IMM 1017 EFC) will be completed at the doctor’s office for yourself and each of your family members undergoing the medical exam. A photo of the person to be examined by the doctor will be affixed on both copies of that person’s form. This form is used to match your medical file to your immigrant file.

The doctor will sign the form and mail the first copy to the Canadian Regional Medical Office (RMO) with the results of the examination. You will be given the second copy as proof you underwent the medical examination. You must include this copy with your immigrant application when you send it to your sponsor. Photocopies will not be accepted. If you lose it, you will not be able to obtain a duplicate;you will have to redo the medical examination and pay any associated fees again.

We will review the medical results to determine whether there are any medical reasons which would prevent you or your family members from coming to Canada.You and each of your family members will also have to complete your own copy of the Medical Report, Section B (form IMM 5419). You will have to write your answers to the questions on this form in the presence of the examining doctor, who will then proceed to complete Section C, D and E. The medical examination includes:

* complete physical examination for all family members;
* chest X-ray and a radiologist’s report for everyone aged 11 years and over;
* blood test for everyone aged 15 years or over;
* urinalysis for everyone aged 5 years or over;
* HIV testing for everyone aged 15 years or over, as well as for children who have received blood or blood products, or have a known HIV mother.

If your medical results prove satisfactory, they have a validity of one year from the date of examination. Therefore, you should make arrangements to have the date of your medical examination precede as closely as possible the date you will be sending your application and supporting documentation to your sponsor.

If the processing of your application for permanent residence is delayed and we cannot reach a decision about your application before the validity of your medical examination expires, you will be required to do the medical examination again.)


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other advice. My partner is italian (as I am) and he lives in france since 2004. He also bought an appartment here. Do you think it's better for him to write the Paris office in the demand or the Italian visa office (because he s an italian citizen and Not french). there are some differences in time ?
thanks a lot
 

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The documents you need to bring with you are listed here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3999E.asp

This is what you need to do:

"Fill out Appendix C and bring it and the following items if applicable for you and each of your family members to your medical appointment:

* Appendix C
* Passport and photocopies of the biographical data pages (this is the page that shows the date of birth, the country of origin, etc.)
* If no passport is available, provide an official identity document bearing a photo and the date of birth of the family member
* Eye glasses or contact lenses
* Previous medical reports, prescriptions or treatments
* 5 recent photos, taken within six months preceding the date of your examination"


You DO NOT need Medical Report, Section A – EDE -- that is for couples that are applying from WITHIN Canada.

You do not need to write to either the Paris or the Rome office. Your entire application is sent to the Case Processing Centre in Mississauaga, Ontario. Once you are approved as your partner's sponsor, then the application is sent overseas to process his PR application. You can choose to have either Rome or Paris process his application. You can view the timelines for each office here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp#europe They are both processing applications in about the same amount of time. Keep in mind that he may be called for an interview so if you choose Rome as the processing office, you will need to think about how easy that will be for him to get to.

You must also submit a police report from Italy and France and any other country that your partner has lived in for 6 months or more since the age of 18. You need to submit these WITH your application.

Good luck.
 

mirkopal

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well thank you a lot!
so It is only the APPENDIX C...THAT IS, ONLY THE APPENDIX C (IT IS ONE PAGE TO FILL IN RIGHT)?
IT is possible to find this document at
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/fc.asp (under west europe)
right?
however I have another information.
On the website http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3999E.asp
in the section HOW TO PROCEED STEP 3 it is written
3 The DMP will give you Copy 2 of the Medical Report: IMM 1017 EFC - Medical Report Section A. Include the original of Copy 2 with your application. (Photocopies will not be accepted.)

I spoke right now with the DMP in rome and they told me that they do not give anything back...only a receipt of the payment because they will transmit the information to the visa office...is it normal?



ariell said:
The documents you need to bring with you are listed here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3999E.asp

This is what you need to do:

"Fill out Appendix C and bring it and the following items if applicable for you and each of your family members to your medical appointment:

* Appendix C
* Passport and photocopies of the biographical data pages (this is the page that shows the date of birth, the country of origin, etc.)
* If no passport is available, provide an official identity document bearing a photo and the date of birth of the family member
* Eye glasses or contact lenses
* Previous medical reports, prescriptions or treatments
* 5 recent photos, taken within six months preceding the date of your examination"


You DO NOT need Medical Report, Section A – EDE -- that is for couples that are applying from WITHIN Canada.

You do not need to write to either the Paris or the Rome office. Your entire application is sent to the Case Processing Centre in Mississauaga, Ontario. Once you are approved as your partner's sponsor, then the application is sent overseas to process his PR application. You can choose to have either Rome or Paris process his application. You can view the timelines for each office here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp#europe They are both processing applications in about the same amount of time. Keep in mind that he may be called for an interview so if you choose Rome as the processing office, you will need to think about how easy that will be for him to get to.

You must also submit a police report from Italy and France and any other country that your partner has lived in for 6 months or more since the age of 18. You need to submit these WITH your application.

Good luck.
 

mirkopal

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Hi Ariell
sorry to bother you again. SO in this case if my partner want s to send all his documents to missisauga....
should it send all tjhe ones found it here ? http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/fc.asp

part 1: It s me (the permanent resident) who should fill in (sponsorship application)
part 2: my partner
part 3: medical stuffs, criminal and etc....

i mean we would like to send all together to missisauga is it possible?
 

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mirkopal said:
I spoke right now with the DMP in rome and they told me that they do not give anything back...only a receipt of the payment because they will transmit the information to the visa office...is it normal?
No, that is NOT correct.

You complete Appendix C and bring it with you to the medical exam.

The doctor completes Medical Report - Section A and MUST give you a copy of this. They keep one copy and you must send the copy that they give you with your application. I am 100% positive of this. I am looking at the form right now and it says "Copy 1: Regional Medical Office, Copy 2: Person Examined". They must give you Copy 2!!!! If you are planning to use the DMP in Rome, then I would print the website page which says that they must give you Copy 2 of the Medical Report.

The entire application MUST be sent to the case processing centre in Mississauga. Your partner does not have a choice to send the application to Mississauga or not.

Yes, you must complete and send the forms listed here http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/fc.asp:
1. all the forms under Sponsorship forms (YOU fill these in)
2. all the forms under Immigration forms (your PARTNER fills these in)
3. Make sure to follow the specific instructions under West Europe.
4. Include his police reports, his proof of medical exam and proof of your relationship (photos, cards, letters, emails, copies of boarding passes, etc.)

All of this goes to Mississauga.
 

mirkopal

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HI ARIELL
thank you a lot...well it s really helpful in your case
can I ask you an additional information, due to the fact that you seems really up to this?

i am a permanent resident since august 1st 2006...i have been sponsored as a conjugal partner from my previous partner, who left me after 7 months that i arrived in canada....he also disappeared from his 'obligations' as a sponsor at the beginning, i mean, when i was looking for a job he never helped me financially, but i dont blame him and dont ask for nothing
the only thing i want to know is that if I CAN SPONSOR now my actual partner, which whom not only i am having a relationship since 2008, but also we kept our relationship alive with almost more than 20 trips that we mutually did france canada each year to see each other. so all this because he can t stay in canada without having a visa .
the thing i would like to know is, can i sponsor him to join me? because we cant have this trips anymore even for weekends....
we were thinking as conjugal partner but we probably will have a civil union agreement soon...so i think that it could change our status...and if is the case, is it possibile to do it while the application is already sent?
thanks a lot


ariell said:
mirkopal said:
I spoke right now with the DMP in rome and they told me that they do not give anything back...only a receipt of the payment because they will transmit the information to the visa office...is it normal?
No, that is NOT correct.

You complete Appendix C and bring it with you to the medical exam.

The doctor completes Medical Report - Section A and MUST give you a copy of this. They keep one copy and you must send the copy that they give you with your application. I am 100% positive of this. I am looking at the form right now and it says "Copy 1: Regional Medical Office, Copy 2: Person Examined". They must give you Copy 2!!!! If you are planning to use the DMP in Rome, then I would print the website page which says that they must give you Copy 2 of the Medical Report.

The entire application MUST be sent to the case processing centre in Mississauga. Your partner does not have a choice to send the application to Mississauga or not.

Yes, you must complete and send the forms listed here http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/fc.asp:
1. all the forms under Sponsorship forms (YOU fill these in)
2. all the forms under Immigration forms (your PARTNER fills these in)
3. Make sure to follow the specific instructions under West Europe.
4. Include his police reports, his proof of medical exam and proof of your relationship (photos, cards, letters, emails, copies of boarding passes, etc.)

All of this goes to Mississauga.
 

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Hi mirkopal

Yes, you can definitely sponsor your partner. I'm not sure but they may look at your case more closely because you were sponsored to come to Canada and now you are sponsoring someone else, but you are definitely legally entitled to sponsor. Just make sure to submit lots of proof of your relationship so that they don't think that you are just trying to help someone get their PR.

If you are planning to have a civil union then I would wait until after you have done this to submit your application as it would make your application stronger. I think that you would still have to apply as conjugal partners though. As far as I can see, you could only apply to sponsor your partner as your spouse if you were married in Canada OR if you got married in Belgium, Netherlands, South Africa, Spain, or the state of Massachusetts. (This is what it states in the Sponsor's Guide.)Those are the only places that I see listed where same-sex marriages are legal. I don't see France listed. But I'm certainly no expert on same-sex marriages so you may want to do some more research if you were thinking of applying under the spousal category instead of conjugal class.

Also, you mentioned that you are living in Montreal. I assume that is where you intend to live once your partner comes here, so you should be sure to follow the instructions here under "Sponsors living in Quebec" http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3900E5.asp
 

mirkopal

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Ariell thanks a lot...
well i m living in quebec because i am a researcher here....although i do not know if we are planning about staying in montreal...i mean i received somej jobs offers in alberta but i don t want to move before this application process with my boyfriend finished.
i dont know if an application in quebec is more difficult or longer than the other provinces (is it?) but in the case, my partner has lived 3 ys in paris and he works for a french company, so it could be an advantage for quebec, a province that is looking for more francophone.

it s been 2 months that i took a semester off at school to be here in paris to assist my partner for this immigration procedure...but i did not advise anyone in canada about it...i mean i could stay in europe without a visa so i will stay until end of december...sending all the stuffs and waiting for him...that s why i d like to apply as a conjugal partner cuz we pratically have serious problems to be together due the absence of a visa for him...about proofs, i have a bunch of them...alredy prepared...i pratically prepared a photo album (paper one) for the immigration!!!! with all the expenses together..bills for international calls...
also some mail that i receive at his place in paris (i have some subscription in a french newspaper) but i don t know if it is a good idea to mention that I have been receiving some mails at his address...

what do you think?
 

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An application in Quebec is no more difficult than elsewhere.

I'm really not sure how conjugal will work for you since I don't see that you have an immigration barrier. You don't need a visa to visit him and he doesn't need a visa to visit you. What is the reason why you can't live together for 12 months and apply as common-law?

Receiving mail at his address is a good thing!! It's proof that you were living together. As a PR, you are free to come and go just make sure to spend 2 out of every 5 years in Canada to maintian your PR status.
 

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Just one note. You CANNOT, as a PR, sponsor your partner while you are residing in France. You MUST be residing in Canada to be eligible to sponsor.
 

mirkopal

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i know
in fact i m living in canada now....
i spent some period in paris with him...and he s spending some time with me in canada...that is....
it s more than 1 year we are together...living
however
it does not change if even if he is a resident in paris if we put as office to treat our demands the rome office in italy?
I MEAN HE S AN ITALIAN citizen and once he s having all the documents (med visit included) in italy we are thinking about putting rome as an option (even because it should be faster than paris)
 

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He can use Rome as he is an Italian citizen. And he can use Paris IF he has been legally admitted to France for at least one year. Sounds like he has so there is some choice there for you.
 

mirkopal

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ok arielll... i m saying conjugal because with my ex partner i have had pretty similar situation and we applied as conjugal partner...but we sent our application just after 1 year we were together and we did not have lived for 1 year together.
here s my situation with my partner:
we lived together for more than 1 year and 3 months...most of them in Canada (he went to stay with me taking a period off from his work, the so called 'congé non payé' he took 6 months to stay with me....
and i spent some period with him back in france...we can t live together for 12 months in the SAME PLACE because he could not stay more than 6 months, while WE DID lived 12 months if you consider that I have spent period with him in france....
so we are common law if WE CAN CONSIDERED AS LIVING TOGETHER THE FACT THAT WE BOTH LIVED IN EACH OTHER S HOUSE FOR A PERIOD THAT WAS NOT MORE THAN 6 MONTHS....but not 12 months in the same place

after that: we are both co signers of our respective bank accounts (i signed in his bank account in france and he did the same on mine in canada) as sole responsable for everything...
he added me in his medical insurance card in france so when i am there i am covered...
i receive mail in canada for him and he receives mail in france for me (magazines, the economist that he gave me as a present)
a part that, we don t have any bills (house or electricity) on both names...because we COULD NOT live in the same place regurarly...however, actually i have my name in some bills at his place (i don t need a visa and i can apply easily there)....
a part that...we did holidays together let s say that in 1 year and 8 months we are together we were separate for 3 months, mostly because he could not come to canada and because he was working (he s a flight attendant).
what do you think about that?
ojne of the reason we wanted him to come to canada is 1. to start a life together in a great country such as canada
2. i don t want to waste my PR spending months abroad to stay with him and not being able to reach the 2 ys on 5 required. (if we continued in that way i will spend more time travelling to be with him and we could not actually work:...

based on these assumptions...what do u think it should work...common law or conjugal partner?
and as a common law, what can we show as aproof apart pix and bills on each house s in canad and france and mail?

I'm really not sure how conjugal will work for you since I don't see that you have an immigration barrier. You don't need a visa to visit him and he doesn't need a visa to visit you. What is the reason why you can't live together for 12 months and apply as common-law?

Receiving mail at his address is a good thing!! It's proof that you were living together. As a PR, you are free to come and go just make sure to spend 2 out of every 5 years in Canada to maintian your PR status.

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To be considered common-law you must have lived together for 12 consecutive months. I think part of ariell is saying is why don't you get married? However, and I know others disagree with me about this, same-gender relationships have better luck with conjugal partnership applications than straight couples. It's what this category was originally designed for. Now that same-gender marriages are becoming more acceptable worldwide and legal, it may be applied more stringently in the future to same-gender couples but for right now, it is still a viable option for you if you do not meet the requirements for common law.

The proof you mentioned is very good. :)
 

mirkopal

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Hi rjessome
thanks a lot for your answer...well the reason about getting married...well because we have planned that already...with friends and family invited for next year....in summer...
I know it could sound easy to plan a short marriage in canada right the way, but i am sorry if I still think in the old way, but i heard that if immigration will discover that it was a marriage arranged mostly for immigration purposes, it is not a right idea...
we lived together for more than 12 montjhs...but not in the same residency...and sacrifices, yeah, they have been made because one needed to stop working while he left tjhe country. it is true that i could stay in frnace and live there, but I did not want to sepnd a lot of time abroad because i don t want to loose 'months' for my residency...you know what I mean?

after there are other 2 considerations: i would like to get married in canada next year when I will be eligible to have the citizenship...i don t know which advantages we have in terms of rights on each other if we get married ina country that is not ours...(canada) and it is not recognized in my country of citizenship (italy).

2. my boyfriend moved from italy because the situation for same genre sex is really difficult at the moment...if you considered that in only ROME since august 5 gay people have been stubbed...and other violent acts against gay people are occurring....

considering these situation and the proofs I sent you before in my previous message, what do you think, we are still eligible to be common law or conjugal partner?
i am telling you that because When I HAVE BEEN accepted by CIC 3 years ago, with my previous boyfriend we did conjugal partner having mostly the same proofs....he was canadian with double passport (italian) but he did not mention about his double citizenship...so yeah he had an immigration barrieer...i think...