Medical check-up might indicate Diabetes!! Will it lead to rejection?

[PandFeb2013]

All immigration applicants that have to take medical examinations are being assessed for two areas. These are simplified and paraphrased as:

1) Danger to the public.

2) Costs too much to the Canadian health system.

It is number 2) that is the "Excessive Demand" test. This is not taken into account where an applicant falls into one of the "Excessive Demand Exempt" groups. CEC is not one of those groups. It's all in the information that I linked to. There is more in the Operational Manuals if required.

Hi zardoz, thank you for the explanation and the links. The links basically define the reason behind identification of this disease and the steps a panel physician should take to identify the same. And your quote mentions that it could impact the health insurance sector in the long run. But it still does not provide a definite answer to my question as to whether it will lead to rejection. Thank you for your posts though. I am still hoping that someone who has gone through this experience will see this post and provide a definitive answer. Diabetes has 2 types. Type 2 being the late onset and milder of the 2. My question really is if both have a chance to get through, or one of them most probably the type 2 or having either has a negative effect on your chances to get PR.

 

[ujbaby]

Putting a small disclaimer after making a bold statement that does not let you off the hook. If you were not sure, then it would have been better to have done some minimal research before posting. We all make mistakes... It's how we deal with them that matters.

it's none of ur business. I am only giving my opinion and u cant tell me how to post comments here. now I see what u did. never try to modify people's comments and write it in a way to suit u. I am saying it once again: re-read my original post

 

[zardoz]

Hi zardoz, thank you for the explanation and the links. The links basically define the reason behind identification of this disease and the steps a panel physician should take to identify the same. And your quote mentions that it could impact the health insurance sector in the long run. But it still does not provide a definite answer to my question as to whether it will lead to rejection. Thank you for your posts though. I am still hoping that someone who has gone through this experience will see this post and provide a definitive answer. Diabetes has 2 types. Type 2 being the late onset and milder of the 2. My question really is if both have a chance to get through, or one of them most probably the type 2 or having either has a negative effect on your chances to get PR.

As far as I am aware, the simple fact of having diabetes is not the issue. It is the collateral damage that it can cause that will be assessed. If you show no current signs of the physiological damage that diabetes can cause, it is unlikely that the RMO will give your file a failing grade. If however, you had already started to show significant signs of damage and had a prognosis that it would only get worse, then a fail could be expected. Certainly, from the information that you have currently provided, I don't believe that you have a whole lot to worry about at this point. As you said, it was a visual inspection of a sample that made a doctor raise the topic and not a definitive test, so this could all be a "storm in a teacup". Many years ago, I used to work in a medical lab doing urinalysis. One thing I learned very early on is to ignore what you see... Do the tests properly.

 

[PandFeb2013]

As far as I am aware, the simple fact of having diabetes is not the issue. It is the collateral damage that it can cause that will be assessed. If you show no current signs of the physiological damage that diabetes can cause, it is unlikely that the RMO will give your file a failing grade. If however, you had already started to show significant signs of damage and had a prognosis that it would only get worse, then a fail could be expected. Certainly, from the information that you have currently provided, I don't believe that you have a whole lot to worry about at this point. As you said, it was a visual inspection of a sample that made a doctor raise the topic and not a definitive test, so this could all be a "storm in a teacup". Many years ago, I used to work in a medical lab doing urinalysis. One thing I learned very early on is to ignore what you see... Do the tests properly.

Hi zardoz, thank you for your comments.

 

[treb_812]

I am diabetic too, just learned it 6 months ago. Hope does not affect my PR application.

 

[squishyface]

I will be doing my medical in a couple of weeks here. I have been type 1 diabetic for the past 20 years. No complication. Well controlled. Probably healthier than most non diabetics simply because I have to care so much about everything.
On my tablet now so cannot type very well. It takes forever!
If any questions, please pm me. Essentially, you want to make sure there is no signs or symptoms of complication.
Your creatine serum range, A1C range, presence of protein or microalbumin in your urine and estimated GFR are the key things to monitor. You want to make sure your glucose level is within normal range, but your A1C level is what the doctor will care more about.
I will update you all once I do my medical.

 

[BigBee]

AFAIK, the assessing doctor will surely tell you if it will be a problem or not, I have done medicals twice and in both instances, the doc clearly told me that they will call me and discuss if in case there are any impacting test results.

Take it easy and be relaxed, that might ease up your medical examination and get you going.

Good luck.

 

[PandFeb2013]

Squishyface and bigbee, thank you for your comments. Squishyface, please let us know your test results. That would be a great help. Thanks again.

 

[lpc19800]

Just a thought - have you been checked out by your regular doctor and actually sought clarification on whether you ARE a diabetic? That would be a good step I feel as it sounds like your DMP didn't do any further tests

 

[cecnov2012]

Just a thought - have you been checked out by your regular doctor and actually sought clarification on whether you ARE a diabetic? That would be a good step I feel as it sounds like your DMP didn't do any further tests

I second that, my DMP said that I could be diabetic and I wasn't surprised because I did know my blood sugar levels are higher than normal based on blood works done almost a year ago. Following week I consulted my family doctor and we did blood works, but the results showed negative. That was actually surprising for me, I double confirmed with doctor to be sure. But still I have cut down my sugar and starch intake as my mom is diabetic.

So please visit a walk-in or have a family doctor, get your blood works done. By the way, my doctor said advanced technologies have now come which doesn't require you to fast or have glucose liquids during tests so he didn't ask me to do any preparatory work before giving blood sample. I am not sure all new blood works for diabetes are done this way or should be exclusively prescribed by the doctor, so make sure you ask about this.

 

[PandFeb2013]

I second that, my DMP said that I could be diabetic and I wasn't surprised because I did know my blood sugar levels are higher than normal based on blood works done almost a year ago. Following week I consulted my family doctor and we did blood works, but the results showed negative. That was actually surprising for me, I double confirmed with doctor to be sure. But still I have cut down my sugar and starch intake as my mom is diabetic.

So please visit a walk-in or have a family doctor, get your blood works done. By the way, my doctor said advanced technologies have now come which doesn't require you to fast or have glucose liquids during tests so he didn't ask me to do any preparatory work before giving blood sample. I am not sure all new blood works for diabetes are done this way or should be exclusively prescribed by the doctor, so make sure you ask about this.

Lpc and cecnov, thank you for your comments. Yes I am planning to go to a walk-in clinic and get myself tested. However I got a call from the panel physician's office today to let me know that my blood sugar levels are indeed high after the blood test and they have again called me on Monday to do further tests and so that the doctor can talk to me. I tried my best to get some information from the receptionist who called regarding my results but was not provided with an answer if I was found diabetic or not. Calling me for further test might be the reason why. But not sure what further tests they want to do when they already have my blood and urine samples from the first test. I am planning to go to a walk- in clinic tomorrow but again if they perform test tomorrow I would any way have to wait till next week by that time I would have met the panel physician and receive my diagnosis. This wait is killing me. Also that lingering doubt of my PR application being affected after this long wait when I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[squishyface]

Lpc and cecnov, thank you for your comments. Yes I am planning to go to a walk-in clinic and get myself tested. However I got a call from the panel physician's office today to let me know that my blood sugar levels are indeed high after the blood test and they have again called me on Monday to do further tests and so that the doctor can talk to me. I tried my best to get some information from the receptionist who called regarding my results but was not provided with an answer if I was found diabetic or not. Calling me for further test might be the reason why. But not sure what further tests they want to do when they already have my blood and urine samples from the first test. I am planning to go to a walk- in clinic tomorrow but again if they perform test tomorrow I would any way have to wait till next week by that time I would have met the panel physician and receive my diagnosis. This wait is killing me. Also that lingering doubt of my PR application being affected after this long wait when I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

You have 60 days to undergo medical. You have waited so long and come this far.
I am sure you will be willing to take preemtive measures to make sure that there will be no delays on your application.
Your GP or endocrinologist (if you have been referred) will check these things called c-peptide, a1c (must fast) and a glucose level before and after eating to diagnose you.
Chances are that you are type 2 diabetic and may need oral meds. But what is important is to fiigure out how severe it is and how long it has gone undetected (possiblecomplication). All these can be checked in one set of blood test and urinalysis (depending on your creatine serume and the presence of protein in your urine you may have to do a 24 hr urinalysis for microalbumin/creatine ratio.
Now, if your condition was severe, you would have had trouble functioning as well as you used to normally (feeling symptoms - thirst, loss of appetite, weight loss, frequent urination, etc. By what I can guess you are not doing too bad.
I recommend that you get a diagnosis and a full blood work showing there is no signs of complication from your GP Or a specialist and then go see a dmp with the paperwork. You do not want to take a chance of causing delays on your file.
it is better to go in with a diagnosis and a full explanation than to have cic initiate further investigation.
For something that could have been so simple could drag on and on and you may be put through an agonizing wait.

 

[tee1]

Hi zardoz, thank you for the explanation and the links. The links basically define the reason behind identification of this disease and the steps a panel physician should take to identify the same. And your quote mentions that it could impact the health insurance sector in the long run. But it still does not provide a definite answer to my question as to whether it will lead to rejection. Thank you for your posts though. I am still hoping that someone who has gone through this experience will see this post and provide a definitive answer. Diabetes has 2 types. Type 2 being the late onset and milder of the 2. My question really is if both have a chance to get through, or one of them most probably the type 2 or having either has a negative effect on your chances to get PR.

For diabetes with no associated complication you will absolutely not fail the medical. My Buddie with type 1 just passed and I know several other who had no issues too. Don't worry but you need to get things under control if you are indeed diabetic. It would also be wise to find a price of any medication you might need in Canada once you know. Unless you have work benefits you will bear the cost of these.

All diabetic patients are graded IMEI B (Significant abnormal history or significant abnormal findings). You will almost certainly be subject to additional medical review which will cause a slight additional delay. Start the process now by getting your bloods done and seeing your own doc, CIC will request additional information if you don't provided it.

Good Luck

 

[PandFeb2013]

You have 60 days to undergo medical. You have waited so long and come this far.
I am sure you will be willing to take preemtive measures to make sure that there will be no delays on your application.
Your GP or endocrinologist (if you have been referred) will check these things called c-peptide, a1c (must fast) and a glucose level before and after eating to diagnose you.
Chances are that you are type 2 diabetic and may need oral meds. But what is important is to fiigure out how severe it is and how long it has gone undetected (possiblecomplication). All these can be checked in one set of blood test and urinalysis (depending on your creatine serume and the presence of protein in your urine you may have to do a 24 hr urinalysis for microalbumin/creatine ratio.
Now, if your condition was severe, you would have had trouble functioning as well as you used to normally (feeling symptoms - thirst, loss of appetite, weight loss, frequent urination, etc. By what I can guess you are not doing too bad.
I recommend that you get a diagnosis and a full blood work showing there is no signs of complication from your GP Or a specialist and then go see a dmp with the paperwork. You do not want to take a chance of causing delays on your file.
it is better to go in with a diagnosis and a full explanation than to have cic initiate further investigation.
For something that could have been so simple could drag on and on and you may be put through an agonizing wait.

Hi squishyface, thank you for your comments. I will for sure see a GP and get my blood work done and get a diagnosis simultaneously while the panel physician is doing her tests and mail the reports to CIC. Yes, do not want to delay my application. Also as you said I do not see these symptoms like constant thirst and frequent urination. I would not say that I'm really healthy or have the most healthiest diet but am also not over weight though my BMI is slightly higher than normal. Getting to know that I might be diabetic suddenly out of no where has been a big blow and has made me decide to change my life style immediately to lead a more healthy life; that's for sure.

 

[PandFeb2013]

For diabetes with no associated complication you will absolutely not fail the medical. My Buddie with type 1 just passed and I know several other who had no issues too. Don't worry but you need to get things under control if you are indeed diabetic. It would also be wise to find a price of any medication you might need in Canada once you know. Unless you have work benefits you will bear the cost of these.

All diabetic patients are graded IMEI B (Significant abnormal history or significant abnormal findings). You will almost certainly be subject to additional medical review which will cause a slight additional delay. Start the process now by getting your bloods done and seeing your own doc, CIC will request additional information if you don't provided it.

Good Luck

Hi tee1, thank you for your comments. And thank you for confirming that as long as the condition is under control there are no impacts to PR. As I said in my above post, I will get my blood tests done by a GP and get diagnosed with proper medication if required and send in the results to CIC as soon as possible.