marriage confussion!!!

[boujasim]

ok! ahora iam in a big problem..i guess

the embassy requested my marriage certificate to be duly registerd by the ministry of interior-vital statstics bereau.

now i cudnt register it coz i have no vital info at the lebanese records,iam not lebanese and my wife used her canadian passport to get married.

now i really dont know what to do! i have the "proof of marriage paper"which is issued in the name of the cabinet of ministers in lebanon, it is a legal paper, i have it certified by the lebanese ministry of interior and foreign affairs.its masomenos like the canadian long form.
and i already sent a copy of it with my aplication but it wasnt certified by the ministry of interior or FA.

now ive been going and coming in circles all day long to look for a way to register the marriage! but its not possible, i talked with some contacts(wasta) and they said they can have it registerd for a 100$, which i think wud be not legal!and i wdnt dare to do it.

iam affraid the IO will tell me that they cant consider my marriage coz of not registering and if so how come they continued processing my file without rejecting it if the marriage cud be considerd not legal thus not qualifying for spousal sponsorship?

now my only option in the case the IO doesnt recognize my marriage is to go to cyprus with my wife who will be coming from canada and perform a civil marriage and register it in cyprus thus not having to deal with the stoneaged lebanese athorities!

but my question here is, IF at an interview the IO said he cant recognize the lebanese marriage,would he accept me getting married again in cyprus and send them the certificate? or shud i re-apply?
and lets say i decide to go next week to cyprus to get married, before having to go to an interview, would this affect my credibility(ofcourse ill explain why i did so) and would it show me in a bad picture?

and lets say i didnt go to cyprus before the marriage, would the IO accept my explination?

 

[rorita_76]

Hello Boujasim,
First, sorry from everyone who doesn’t understand Arabic, but it is mandatory in this post to refer to form and places in Lebanon
I had to read your post for several time in order to be able to understand, but I have some question here:
Why you don’t have a record in Lebanon, you mean you don’t have Lebanese hawiat or Ikhraj kaid, you are here since 1994, so you should have the nationality?
What kind is your marriage? In Arabic please, and since you say it is legal in Lebanon and you have certified it in interior and foreign ministry, so the Stone Age people in dawayir in Lebanon should register it, did you try to show them some money, on one condition that they perform a legal action?
Concerning going to Cyprus before or after interview , I don’t know, but I guess it is a little scary idea to perform a marriage before the interview, and after all, I don’t think everyone register their marriage , as long as you have a legal paper that show that you 2 are legally married.
Maybe what they are asking for is the stamp of interior and foreign affair, because you said the marriage certificate sent with the application doesn’t have them.

 

[MARLENA]

But your marriage according to the Canadian law is legal and recognized otherwise the sponsor wouldn't be approved at the first stage. Why would they raise the question at the end of the process or during the interview!!!
Yes I do agree with Rorita going to cyprus one week before your interview would raise some concerns to the IO. In my opinion providing them with an explanation as you mentioned would be more reasonable to IO. Good luck!

 

[boujasim]

aha
mira,
the paper i sent is the "esbat zawaj" ya3ni proof of marriage, which is issued by the religious court in the name of the majlis el wozara, enno hay ra2me rasmyie sadra bi 2isim majlis el wozara.

bass wasi2it el zawej, is filled but at the end of it fi matra7 la khitim el nofos, ow hay ma 3am yikhitmoli yaha li2an fi mishkli 3awesa ow hinni ma fahmaneen.

 

[rorita_76]

I see, i sent the same, warakat al zawaj from the church and wathikat al zawaj with the arbishop, the moukhtar and the dairat al noufousse stamp with translation as well,
isn't there any stamp on it, I mean does they know the dairat al nouffousse stamp is missing?
if you say you don't have a record, how were you able to get marry, I mean what did you show as proof of ID.
dealing with the formal office in lebanon can take 10 years from your life because they are so stupid, so lazy, so inpolite....I hope you will be able to find a solution.
can you make a religious marriage in lebanon, and sent the paper?

 

[boujasim]

i married in lebanon!!!
iam not lebanese.iam half lebanese

the thing is i have the wasikit el zawaj(marriage certificate), stamped by the mokhtar and sheikh, there is the space in the end of the certificate for the nofoos(vital stats) to stamp. they wont stamp it because:
iam not lebanese and she didnt marry me as a lebanese but as a canadian.
iam muslim and she is christian, apperently there is a problem in registering if a couple are of different religions.
and they have no idea what they are tlaking about,u talk with the same person and each time he tells u a diff story.

my wife called cic today and told them the story, they told her there is no need to go to cyprus or anything, just get a paper from the related authorities that the marriage cant be registerd and we shud be fine. but i dontknow i personally trust in what PMM says more than CIC.

 

[rorita_76]

Can't the sheikh who married you issue a paper or a form that your marriage is true, and that paper can be stamped interior and foreing ministry and sent along with the wasikat al zawaj, with a letter saying why you can't register your marriage in lebanon, and neither in syria.

 

[boujasim]

ya habibi 3ala syria, imagine enno 7atta bi syria ma 3andi aya sijjil aw shi, ana mojarrad ra2em honik, 7awalet sajjil zawaji honik, awal shi 2aloli enta mannak sori(its a good thing but iam) ba3dein i sent my passport ow id and then got my family extract, enno iam the 2nd generation outside syria.

anyways i have the paper from the sheikh, its called esbat zawaj. and i have it stamped by the foreign affairs and interior and i will get a paper from a lawyer to state what the lebanese law says, that my marriage is legal but unable to be registerd.

 

[MARLENA]

Boujasim I had the same problem because I only provided Record of marriage rather the marriage certificate itself because I didn't have it at the time I sent my application. I called CIC and explained that I wouldn't expect any marriage certificate before the month of May if I'm lucky since it takes between 10 to 12 weeks to be registered and 8 weeks afterward to be received (which I only received this week!). They told me record of marriage should be fine and not to worry about it unless it would be requested by IO in Damascus which I should have it by that time.
I also wrote a letter along with my application explaining the situation just in case they doubt anything.

In my opinion you should do the same during the interview. Don't say anything until they ask you.

 

[boujasim]

the marriage certificate takes one day to be registerd!!! who said 12 weeks?

 

[MARLENA]

I guess in Lebanon is one day but in Canada it takes 12 weeks.

 

[boujasim]

ok i found this from the lebanese law:

Marriage Registration: obligatory, governed by Family Rights Law and Sunni and Jaafari Shariaa Judiciary Act; failure to register does not invalidate Muslim marriage; unregistered marriage may be proved by Shariaa Court ruling.

and this was said to me by 2 lawyers, 2 very famous lawyers in beirut.

this is because teh personal matters are giverned by religious laws.

what u ppl think?

 

[MARLENA]

Boujasim one question how long it took your application for the PR, since they send it to Damascus....

 

[rorita_76]

Sorry Boujasim, I can't help you, because I didn't understand it very well.
But from what I know from this forum, if , whatever kind of marriage happen in a country where this kind of marriage is legal then the immigration consider it as legal and genuine. But I guess what they need is a solid proof of it's genuine, I mean some sort of paper or document, I mean something they can see in their eyes