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March - 2018 Citizenship Applicants

parry1901

Hero Member
Mar 24, 2010
300
5
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
0111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-04-2010
Med's Done....
1st nov 2013 & 20 march 2014 (new born)
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
04.04.2014
VISA ISSUED...
17.04.2014
Test done: 20 on 20.. for both.. waiting on status change.
 

ahmed5

Hero Member
Sep 7, 2014
693
40
Canada
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
1224
App. Filed.......
24 - 12 - 2014
Nomination.....
PER 21 - 03 - 2015
AOR Received.
11 - 05 - 2015
IELTS Request
8 ( send with application )
Med's Request
06 - 08 - 2015
Med's Done....
11 - 08 -2015
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
13 - 10 - 2015
VISA ISSUED...
18- 10 - 2015
LANDED..........
09 / 02 / 2016

3bdcanada

Hero Member
Mar 29, 2014
378
69
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
LANDED..........
01-Feb-2015
Don’t forget that this week is March break in Ontario and offices are running short on staff. So don’t expect any update for this week.
Well, my point was rather to the previous week.
 

parry1901

Hero Member
Mar 24, 2010
300
5
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
0111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-04-2010
Med's Done....
1st nov 2013 & 20 march 2014 (new born)
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
04.04.2014
VISA ISSUED...
17.04.2014

soccerrr

Member
Apr 4, 2017
18
2
Hi everyone,

Do the oath letter and ceremony dates get updated on ECAS? or completed is the last update right after Decision Made?

Thanks,
 

spyfy

Champion Member
May 8, 2015
2,055
1,417
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
LANDED..........
26-08-2015
Here is my complete timeline

October 2016 to October 2017: Anxiously waiting for C-6 (Those Senate live tracker threads, good memories :) )
26 February 2018 - application sent, received shortly after
1 March 2018 - received
3 April 2018 - AOR
15 June 2018 - In Process
14 February 2019 - Test invite
4 March 2019 - Test
5 March 2019 - DM
11 March 2019 - Oath invite
27 March 2019 - Oath

Good luck to everyone still waiting. My experience was a year of silence followed by a whirilwind of six weeks where everything happened at once. Fingers crossed that everyone still waiting will have the same experience!
 

yezdi_in

Hero Member
Aug 4, 2013
219
34
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
Doc's Request.
04-10-2010
AOR Received.
12-01-2011
Med's Request
18-07-2013
Med's Done....
03-08-2013
Passport Req..
18-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
28-10-2013
LANDED..........
08-05-2014
Finally received test invite after a wait of 10 months :)

Timeline :

Application - Family (3)
Office - London
App delivered - 20 March 2018
AOR - 09 April 2018
IP - 02 May 2018
Test Invite - 11 March 2019
Test - 10 Apr 2019
 

yezdi_in

Hero Member
Aug 4, 2013
219
34
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
Doc's Request.
04-10-2010
AOR Received.
12-01-2011
Med's Request
18-07-2013
Med's Done....
03-08-2013
Passport Req..
18-07-2013
VISA ISSUED...
28-10-2013
LANDED..........
08-05-2014
From the spreadsheet it appears that the time from Test date to Oath date varies - about 1 month min to 3 or 4 months in some cases.

Any idea what is the reason for this difference? Since they have taken 10+ months from IP to Test invite, can we hope that all background checks finished and next part will not take too long?
 

_KK8512_

Star Member
Aug 27, 2018
116
45
Here is my complete timeline

October 2016 to October 2017: Anxiously waiting for C-6 (Those Senate live tracker threads, good memories :) )
26 February 2018 - application sent, received shortly after
1 March 2018 - received
3 April 2018 - AOR
15 June 2018 - In Process
14 February 2019 - Test invite
4 March 2019 - Test
5 March 2019 - DM
11 March 2019 - Oath invite
27 March 2019 - Oath

Good luck to everyone still waiting. My experience was a year of silence followed by a whirilwind of six weeks where everything happened at once. Fingers crossed that everyone still waiting will have the same experience!
:eek::eek::eek:

2 months just to process your application after tagging it as received, then 8 months just to get a bloody invitation ? Are you kidding me ? Well, I guess that shows IRCC can be ridiculously slow...
 

3bdcanada

Hero Member
Mar 29, 2014
378
69
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
LANDED..........
01-Feb-2015
:eek::eek::eek:

2 months just to process your application after tagging it as received, then 8 months just to get a bloody invitation ? Are you kidding me ? Well, I guess that shows IRCC can be ridiculously slow...
Remember, he's still faster than many others including me :)
 

_KK8512_

Star Member
Aug 27, 2018
116
45
Remember, he's still faster than many others including me :)
I am a December 2018 applicant, so I must admit I am not really aware of how processing timelines are for you guys. I only followed November 2018 since I figured that they are more likely to be representative of how the timeline for December applicants would be (I know the sample set is tiny). I got my AOR after 2 months and I am still waiting to see my IP... It's just baffling that IRCC takes so long between AOR and IP, they opened the envelope and clearly saw all the documents were there so how come they aren't processing it ?

But yeah, same boat as you guys, just waaaay behind you haha
 

3bdcanada

Hero Member
Mar 29, 2014
378
69
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
LANDED..........
01-Feb-2015
I am a December 2018 applicant, so I must admit I am not really aware of how processing timelines are for you guys. I only followed November 2018 since I figured that they are more likely to be representative of how the timeline for December applicants would be (I know the sample set is tiny). I got my AOR after 2 months and I am still waiting to see my IP... It's just baffling that IRCC takes so long between AOR and IP, they opened the envelope and clearly saw all the documents were there so how come they aren't processing it ?

But yeah, same boat as you guys, just waaaay behind you haha
Well, but we have to be fair. There are a lot of factors that would eventually dictate your application processing time including:
1. applicant's (your) background (this will have a direct impact on the background check processing time)
2. Office location (whether or not overloaded with tons of applications)
3. Agent handling your application (how efficient he/she is in processing the application)
 

Kamil799

Full Member
Jul 5, 2013
39
3
Finally got Oath invite after almost a year. The long wait was due to background check (some countries require more time to get this done).

DM: March 6th
Oath Invite: March 11th
Oath Ceremony: March 29th

Admin Please update.
 

dpenabill

VIP Member
Apr 2, 2010
6,435
3,182
It's just baffling that IRCC takes so long between AOR and IP, they opened the envelope and clearly saw all the documents were there so how come they aren't processing it ?
Notwithstanding an incessant stream of whine and rant, tending to divert or obscure sincere questions and answers, there is LITTLE if any mystery. IRCC is a bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is what bureaucracies does. Between each task in processing a citizenship application there is a queue. And that is where the vast majority of applications are at any given time, merely sitting in a queue waiting for the next task to be done by whoever will be doing that task.

The total time someone at IRCC is actually engaged in processing a given application is almost certainly LESS than the hours in a single standard work DAY. That is, adding up all the time a particular application is being actively processed, adding together all the time spent by every IRCC official, agent, or officer actually processing the application, that quite likely totals maybe a mere few hours.

So the answer to the question "how come they aren't processing it?" is EASY: The application is in QUEUE, waiting for someone to do the next task. And that is where it will likely be for MANY MORE MONTHS to come, albeit a different queue following the completion of each respective task.

We do not precisely know all the tasks done at CPC-Sydney between AOR and the designation "In Process." Best we do know is that "IP" (again, "In Process") means that all CPC-Sydney tasks have been completed except, perhaps, the final task of actually putting the physical file in the mail to be sent to the respective Local Office where the application will be processed. It should be recognized, however, that just opening the application package and conducting the completion check is part of the process, that is "processing" as such, as are the various tasks done between that action and the referral to the local office.

CPC-Sydney tasks attendant AOR:

-- Completion check
-- Opening GCMS citizenship application file (noting that all IRCC clients have a GCMS file much broader than this application file) and probably an initial GCMS background check
-- Initiating referrals to RCMP and CSIS for criminal and security background checks, respectively​


Task either attendant AOR step (done by same agent or official that does completion check and opens GCMS app file), or is the first post-AOR task at CPC-Sydney: probable triage screening separating files for referral to particular processing streams within CPC-Sydney.


Among the tasks done in CPC-Sydney we know and can otherwise reasonably infer, including some which may be done, AFTER AOR, to selected applications rather than all, there is clearly an extensive GCMS background check and this is a more or less full GCMS check, not at all comparable to what a Help Centre call agent might see when it opens a client's GCMS; this includes FOSS, which in turn includes name-record checks into multiple databases including RCMP and U.S. criminal record databases. This step/task probably includes preliminary screening to identify things like whether a Finger Print request will be sent to the applicant; may identify some applications for which there will be an upfront check of the applicant's CBSA Travel History. In the past this also was part of the screening to identify applicants to be sent a pre-test RQ but it is not clear this is still being done at this stage.

While we do not know for sure, it seems likely the same agent or official doing the latter will also be individual who determines which local office will process the application. And then makes the referral.

There are some probable alternative paths in this process. I identified one: applicants for whom IRCC accesses and reviews the applicant's CBSA travel history. Maybe this is done for ALL applicants, which may involve a somewhat cursory comparison to the applicant's reported travel history to identify if there are significant discrepancies in PoE arrival dates. Or perhaps applications are separated and one stream goes into its own queue for this while most proceed without this . . . which could explain significant differences in the timeline between AOR and IP for different applicants. (That said, the bigger differences in this timeline appear to mostly correlate to the date the application was submitted, meaning most submitted around the same time tend to see a comparable AOR to IP timeline.)

Among other alternative paths in between AOR and the actual referral to the respective Local Office, as I noted there is the possibility of the application going into a FP request queue. Some applications may be separated from the mainstream, totally routine path, to be put in queue waiting for more detailed screening to identify or flag potential concerns or issues. And of course any additional, separate task, will quite likely involve going to and sitting in, waiting in, another queue. It seems clear that some applications arrive in the Local Office already flagged for this or that issue (albeit the two most common appear to be presence-related questions and potential prohibition questions).

All that said, it may be that in terms of actual eyes and hands-on tasks in CPC-Sydney, there may be only TWO agents or officials handling the ROUTINELY processed applications (thus, for example, NOT including those for which there is a CPC-Sydney generated FP request), the opening-the-file (including completion check) agent or official, and the one conducting the second-tier screening. Such that the total time in CPC-Sydney is almost entirely (except for the half hour to hour and a half time spent in doing these two tasks) is:
-- queue time between arrival of package and opening-the-file (including completion check); for this, two to three months seems common but has at times varied from this, more often longer; AOR signals this task is done
-- queue time between opening-the-file (including completion check), as indicated by AOR date, and the second-tier screening; this appears to vary more and vary some for applicants who apply around the same periods of time, from just weeks to several months​

Here is the thing: the vast majority of applicants do NOT need to be helicopter-applicants hovering over every step of the process. This forum tends to encourage excessive monitoring of the progress of applications. IT IS MOSTLY A WAITING GAME. And currently the wait times have once again gone long . . . as it historically is wont to do, at various times being longer or short . . . including times not all that long ago when processing was TWO to THREE years for a very large percentage of applicants.

Venting and ranting and railing and whining is very much a part of this forum. Sharing the pain and commiserating is indeed very much a part of what is done here. Unfortunately more than a few of those whining the most tend to barge into many topics in which real questions are being asked.

Name of the game is WAITING. No matter how many times the children in the backseat whine "are we there yet?" the question does NOT accelerate the process, does not mitigate the WAIT. And the answer does not really matter or change: the real answer being, simply, NO, NOT there yet.