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[marcjd]

Hahah yeah steph probably my view on it is wrong hahah.. Thinking of middle class as those who dont need to worry for today and tomorrow but needs to strive for next week .. And the poor as the one who doesnt have for today and tomorrow

 

[xxdieselxx]

Yeah I know, that's why you have to keep your yard stocked with KFC.... ON LEGS

I'm also always wondering how people afford to eat if they earn 200 pesos a day and a whole chicken costs 100 pesos in the supermarket.

In my neighborhood, they usually show up at my wife's Lola's house next door for breakfast or right around lunch, looking for a little work for trade for lunch or around dinner time for some free rice to take home to their family (she is a rice farmer). She is a saint. Although she doesn't have much, she still feeds them day in and out. Even after they have stolen something from her when she isn't looking. Not sure if whole chickens have gone up but I just paid 170 pesos in the supermarket last week. Probably cheaper in the markets though.

 

[Tagum-N.B.]

Like my all time favorite jolibee chicken joy 2 pcs cost 140 peso by now?? Thats 1 meal .. How would a family of 3 afford that if earn only 1k a day .. Probaby share 1 order for the 3 of them .. Thats not fun

Lets say normal family goes for jolibee every sunday after church .. Thats 4 weeks a month .. And probably cost 300 per jolibee lets say that 1200 out of 20k .. Deduct 200 everyday for the food that is cooked at home .. Thats instant 7200 of that 20k then deduct the utilities and transportation.. Then kids tuition fee school requirments and regular check up also kids allowance

WHAT I SEEN IN PHILS RTHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE EACH DAY,,,,,THERE IS THAT 5% THAT SEEM TO HAVE ALL THE MONEY,,,AND THATS THE RIPPLE EFFECT,,,,THE RICH GET TO USE THE FREE HOSPITALS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE DOCTORS,,,IF A POOR PERSON IS DYING THEY WANT THE MONEY FIRST B4 THEY OPERATE,,,,I KNOW MY WIFES COUSIN WAS LYING IN A HOSPITAL BED NEEDING HIS APPENDIX OUT,,,HIS WIFE WENT LOOKING FOR THE MONEY BUT IN 2 DAYS DID NOT FIND IT,,,,FINALLY HIS APPENDIX BLEW UP AND HE DIED,,,,HE LEFT BEHIND 4 YOUNG CHILDREN. tHE MONEY SENT FROM CANADA AND OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THE POOR NEVER REACHES THEM AS IT IS DIVIDED SLOWLY DOWN THE LINE TO THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS,,,,,,,,,,HECK MOST PEOPLE CANT EVEN FIND A JOB TO EARN 200 PEOSO A DAY,,,,,,,BUT WHAT I DO SEE IN THE PHILS THAT FAMILYS ARE THIER STRONGEST POINT,,,THEY ALL HELP EACH OTHER,,,NEVER ASKING REPAYMENT FOR HELP,,,,,,,AND QUESS WHAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE LEAVING THE PHILS HAVE ALL THE MONEY,,,THATS ALL I WILL SAY ON THIS,,,MY QUESS IS 95% OF THE PEOPLE MAKE UNDER 25,000PHP,,,

 

[Tagum-N.B.]

LMAO @ your definition of middle class

My guy's family scrapes by on a bunch of small businesses and leased farms. A small money lending business, a small school, a small convenience store, a tricycle for hire. They worked their butts off to build it from nothing. They have a roof over their head and enough chickens in the yard. They can always (barely) make their basic necessities. They don't have aircon and often cook over a fire. They take a motorbike once a week to Tagum city for their weekly shopping.

They are AVERAGE. Considered in their village to be average or doing okay because they are haves instead of have-nots. He says they're middle class and I have to be careful not to say they're poor.. no, the guy who sleeps under the coconut tree and does odd jobs for the family in exchange for food and sleeping in the stick house is poor.

Getting kidnapped for ransom is a privilege reserved for wealthy or for white guys stupid enough to venture into Zamboanga

Sorry to make light of it marjd.. it must have been a terrible experience. However there seems to be a special cloud that upper middle class lives on

I 2ND THAT,,,,,THE RICH DONT OPEN THIER EYES TO THE POVERTY THERE

 

[cranberries]

Why leave because its not safe there.. Thats the only reason for me .. My dad was kidnapped on his way to his office in makati.. Wouldn't i freak out and leave ph for that reason.. Aint it valid enough.. 80k to 120k is easy to grab .. A cum laude degree in business management + mechanical engineering in dlsu-m that 80k was an entry offer

Im just happy for you guys that probably wont even experience having a family member abducted for ransom

That's sad to hear. I'm glad I'm not living a bourgeoisie kind of life, no one would waste their time to kidnap me or my family.lmao. I know rich rich rich (lol triple rich) people but they were never kidnapped and they're still here in The Pearl of the Orient Seas...just saying.

good for you, you earned more than 85%(roughly) of the population in the Philippines.

 

[marcjd]

I 2ND THAT,,,,,THE RICH DONT OPEN THIER EYES TO THE POVERTY THERE

Lol tagum sad to hear about that appendix that blew.. Well back there in manila hospitals are business .. They need to get paid to run can cover expenses .. But most of the poor ones go in get fixed and hide doesnt wanna pay the fee since its costly lol .. Not all but after a few you know management gets strict about it .. So in order to be admitted you have to put a downpayment .. And i understand you it aint free for people who got money .. But since you can pay your bills then you are always in front of the queue or no queue at all .. Sad to say but money does all the work you need back there .. Government there aint like canada heheh..

 

[marcjd]

That's sad to hear. I'm glad I'm not living a bourgeoisie kind of life, no one would waste their time to kidnap me or my family.lmao. I know rich rich rich (lol triple rich) people but they were never kidnapped and they're still here in The Pearl of the Orient Seas...just saying.

good for you, you earned more than 85%(roughly) of the population in the Philippines.

For the public well the counter part of that would be having a knife on your waist while walking public.. Or being hold up on a jeepney .. Or probably snatched your bag while walking or someone puts a hole on your bag on lrt and takes your things .. Worst ive seen a boy walking beside a jeepney and pulls a ladies earings hahah how safe would that be

 

[ikon0523]

everything seems to happen IN MANILA!

LOL! no offence but i'm not a big fan of MANILA!

but im glad i spark a conversation about this middle class definition in the Philippines..

 

[cranberries]

God I don't know anyone in the middle class then,,,,teachers only earn 20 to 25,000 army earns 25,000,,,,security quards earn 4,000

Jeez! I am calling my dad right now and tell him how dare he lied to me when I was younger. he told me we were a middle class kind of family coz we could eat 3 times a day with unlimited rice and we could go to school. even though we were not living in a place with security guards and no vehicle (except for his old motorcycle). He said we were lucky compared to those living in the slums of Payatas! ugh i'm enraged right now.

lol. i'm having a good laugh at this. thanks for the entertainment

 

[ikon0523]

Lol tagum sad to hear about that appendix that blew.. Well back there in manila hospitals are business .. They need to get paid to run can cover expenses .. But most of the poor ones go in get fixed and hide doesnt wanna pay the fee since its costly lol .. Not all but after a few you know management gets strict about it .. So in order to be admitted you have to put a downpayment .. And i understand you it aint free for people who got money .. But since you can pay your bills then you are always in front of the queue or no queue at all .. Sad to say but money does all the work you need back there .. Government there aint like canada heheh..

thus it re inforces that Philippines has CLass A, Class B, Class C society...rich get access to service.. while the poor who pay taxes.. and also contributes to the government are given poor treatment..

thank goodness for Douglas and health care in Canada..

the government there runs the way it runs because of the rich oligarchy that manipulates it...

then once the rich get caught and people ostricise their dealings.. they apply for Canada and blend in with the rest of the community here
or be like NAPOLES and brag about their riches on instagram

 

[marcjd]

I do believe that being in middle class means you live a normal life that earns decent amount of money .. And not on the average of the population .. And sad to say the poor in PH about 2/3 of the population.. my family wasnt rich but we can afford ..

 

[ikon0523]

Jeez! I am calling my dad right now and tell him how dare he lied to me when I was younger. he told me we were a middle class kind of family coz we could eat 3 times a day with unlimited rice and we could go to school. even though we were not living in a place with security guards and no vehicle (except for his old motorcycle). He said we were lucky compared to those living in the slums of Payatas! ugh i'm enraged right now.

lol. i'm having a good laugh at this. thanks for the entertainment

LOL! our parents lied to us about being middle class.... I honestly believe that sometimes our families from canada who send money to the Philippines changes or reinforces this notion of middle class...

my mom had to abandon me at age 3 months just to be in the middle class.. then we got reunited in Canada and all hell break loss because of reunification and separation anxiety...

I came here thinking ill buy all the toys and all the game boy games that i want.. LOL!

 

[cranberries]

For the public well the counter part of that would be having a knife on your waist while walking public.. Or being hold up on a jeepney .. Or probably snatched your bag while walking or someone puts a hole on your bag on lrt and takes your things .. Worst ive seen a boy walking beside a jeepney and pulls a ladies earings hahah how safe would that be

uhm, i'm living in manila (like manila manila) and I don't bring a knife with me.Luckily none of those things you mentioned happened to me.thank God...those things are common to a 3rd world country and obviously Philippines is a third world country.

 

[ikon0523]

uhm, i'm living in manila (like manila manila) and I don't bring a knife with me.Luckily none of those things you mentioned happened to me.thank God...those things are common to a 3rd world country and obviously Philippines is a third world country.

i took a jeepney in Manila.. all i hear are people speaking Bisaya ahhaha!
I went to a mall in Cebu (ayala) and for fuck sakes everyone is speaking Tagalog LOL!

as for getting robbed! thank God it hasnt happened to me or my wife.. although I always tell her ... dress down when riding a jeepney and if you're going out looking nice (ride a taxi) and don't go home alone late at night!

i took a motorcycle ride late at night in Lapu Lapu.. with my wife.. (we had so much fun) and to tell you the truth...
YOU ONLY get robbed when you flash Bling.. or when ppl can smell your richness aha.

 

[cranberries]

LOL! our parents lied to us about being middle class.... I honestly believe that sometimes our families from canada who send money to the Philippines changes or reinforces this notion of middle class...

my mom had to abandon me at age 3 months just to be in the middle class.. then we got reunited in Canada and all hell break loss because of reunification and separation anxiety...

I came here thinking ill buy all the toys and all the game boy games that i want.. LOL!

no one was sending us "nothing".lol and i was happy to be part of a middle class family (i thought so).
if we're going to follow marcjd's standard for middle-class then I will never be middle class until the day I die. sniffles sniffles.lol. but at least I can get a good laugh about it