Make refugee claim at Canada Airport

[Toronto316]

Hello, I'm from Iraq, I want to go to canada and make a refugee claim, because my life is in danger, there is a company that claims he can get me on an airplane and that if I destroy my passport at the airport but have my own national ID card and make a refugee claim they can not send me back, is there any truth to that, I'm no threat to anyone but my life is in danger, any help would be appreciated? by the way, I tried to get to canada by getting US visa and cross the border, but I was unable to obtain US visa.

 

[Buletruck]

There is always a risk your claim won't be accepted and you will be deported. Usually "businesses" that offer services like this are scams and their only interest is your money. Did you try for a TRV yourself?

 

[scylla]

Hello, I'm from Iraq, I want to go to canada and make a refugee claim, because my life is in danger, there is a company that claims he can get me on an airplane and that if I destroy my passport at the airport but have my own national ID card and make a refugee claim they can not send me back, is there any truth to that, I'm no threat to anyone but my life is in danger, any help would be appreciated? by the way, I tried to get to canada by getting US visa and cross the border, but I was unable to obtain US visa.

You need a TRV (visitor visa to Canada) to be able to board an airplane and come to Canada to claim refugee status here. Without an approved TRV - it's impossible. It sounds like that company just wants your money. I would not trust what they say. And definitely don't give them any money.

 

[Toronto316]

There is always a risk your claim won't be accepted and you will be deported. Usually "businesses" that offer services like this are scams and their only interest is your money. Did you try for a TRV yourself?

You need a TRV (visitor visa to Canada) to be able to board an airplane and come to Canada to claim refugee status here. Without an approved TRV - it's impossible. It sounds like that company just wants your money. I would not trust what they say. And definitely don't give them any money.

thank you both for replying, the problem with TRV is that canada will not give visa to Iraqi citizens inside Iraq, So basically this company is my only option, but they have a policy which states that I will not lose any money if I'm deported back to my home country, also that after I get accepted as refugee then my representative in Iraq will turn over the money to them which about $20000, otherwise they will not receive any money.

However if I'm somehow deported back to my country, am I going to be able to reenter canada by way of TRV somehow, are they going to accept my refugee claim? if not what are my other choices
How are they going to deport me if I don't have a passport? (let's say I destroy the passport before landing in the canada airport) also state that my life is in danger, ( according to this company I somehow a transient pass through canada but I don't know the details?
BTW I don't want do destroy the passport personally because I don't have anything to hide, but its the company's policy that wants me to do that.
What is the best option to enter canada other than TRV?

 

[scylla]

If you are flagged for deportation. Canada will work with your government to get a passport or travel document issued if you don't have one. Passports are typically now scanned by airlines before you board the flight. So even if you destroy it - there's typically still a record that can be retrieved. I would personally be very worried if the company says it's mandatory that you destroy the passport. If they are saying that, then it sounds like they will be giving you a fake or fraudulent document to travel with. That creates a whole new set of issues.

Once you're deported, getting an approved TRV will effectively be impossible.

There's no such thing as a "transient pass" - you may be referring to a "transit visa". A transit visa is something you apply for if you are flying through Canada to get somewhere else but won't be staying in Canada. A transit visa is something you have to apply for in advance and is pretty similar to a TRV.

 

[Bs65]

To add to the above as there are no direct flights from Iraq to Canada the OP will likely have to transit another country so should keep that in mind if in any way that transit country could for example be considered safer than Iraq. Simply boarding a plane with the final destination being Canada is unlikely to work without a visa for Canada.

 

[Rob_TO]

thank you both for replying, the problem with TRV is that canada will not give visa to Iraqi citizens inside Iraq, So basically this company is my only option, but they have a policy which states that I will not lose any money if I'm deported back to my home country, also that after I get accepted as refugee then my representative in Iraq will turn over the money to them which about $20000, otherwise they will not receive any money.

Using someone else's passport with a TRV (which is what it sounds like they're doing) is a criminal offence in Canada. If you do that and fly here, you could find yourself in jail for a very long time and then deported afterwards.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-2.5/page-22.html#h-70
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• 122 (1) No person shall, in order to contravene this Act,
  • (a) possess a passport, visa or other document, of Canadian or foreign origin, that purports to establish or that could be used to establish a person’s identity;
    
  • (b) use such a document, including for the purpose of entering or remaining in Canada; or
    
  • (c) import, export or deal in such a document.

Penalty

• 123 (1) Every person who contravenes
  • (a) paragraph 122(1)(a) is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to a term of imprisonment of up to five years; and
    
  • (b) paragraph 122(1)(b) or (c) is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to a term of imprisonment of up to 14 years.

If you can't get a TRV to Canada legally, then this is your only option to claiming refugee status from outside Canada: http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/refugees/outside/index.asp
If your life is truly in danger you should be looking at other countries to claim asylum in that may be easier to get to than Canada.

 

[Toronto316]

Using someone else's passport with a TRV (which is what it sounds like they're doing) is a criminal offence in Canada. If you do that and fly here, you could find yourself in jail for a very long time and then deported afterwards.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-2.5/page-22.html#h-70
Offences Related to Documents
Documents

• 122 (1) No person shall, in order to contravene this Act,
  • (a) possess a passport, visa or other document, of Canadian or foreign origin, that purports to establish or that could be used to establish a person’s identity;
  • (b) use such a document, including for the purpose of entering or remaining in Canada; or
  • (c) import, export or deal in such a document.

Penalty

• 123 (1) Every person who contravenes
  • (a) paragraph 122(1)(a) is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to a term of imprisonment of up to five years; and
  • (b) paragraph 122(1)(b) or (c) is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction on indictment to a term of imprisonment of up to 14 years.

If you can't get a TRV to Canada legally, then this is your only option to claiming refugee status from outside Canada: http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/refugees/outside/index.asp
If your life is truly in danger you should be looking at other countries to claim asylum in that may be easier to get to than Canada.

If you are flagged for deportation. Canada will work with your government to get a passport or travel document issued if you don't have one. Passports are typically now scanned by airlines before you board the flight. So even if you destroy it - there's typically still a record that can be retrieved. I would personally be very worried if the company says it's mandatory that you destroy the passport. If they are saying that, then it sounds like they will be giving you a fake or fraudulent document to travel with. That creates a whole new set of issues.

Once you're deported, getting an approved TRV will effectively be impossible.

There's no such thing as a "transient pass" - you may be referring to a "transit visa". A transit visa is something you apply for if you are flying through Canada to get somewhere else but won't be staying in Canada. A transit visa is something you have to apply for in advance and is pretty similar to a TRV.

To add to the above as there are no direct flights from Iraq to Canada the OP will likely have to transit another country so should keep that in mind if in any way that transit country could for example be considered safer than Iraq. Simply boarding a plane with the final destination being Canada is unlikely to work without a visa for Canada.

Thank you all so much for your input, I truly appreciate your help, I spoke with one of the guys at the company, he said that they are going to use my original Iraqi passport, I also asked if I get a transient Canada visa he said no its not, they also said that Canada will not deport me on the basis that currently there is war on terror (ISIS) in Iraq, so basically Canada is safer than Iraq, that's why they will not deport me, what do you guys think about that?

There one other thing, they said there another way which will cost me about $25000, which is like this: I get to a neighboring country let's Turkey for example then I turn myself in to United Nations (UN) through which I can start Immigration process to Canada with a successful rate of 99%, and I will not lose any money until I enter Canada as an immigrant, what do you think of that?

 

[scylla]

Thank you all so much for your input, I truly appreciate your help, I spoke with one of the guys at the company, he said that they are going to use my original Iraqi passport, I also asked if I get a transient Canada visa he said no its not, they also said that Canada will not deport me on the basis that currently there is war on terror (ISIS) in Iraq, so basically Canada is safer than Iraq, that's why they will not deport me, what do you guys think about that?

There one other thing, they said there another way which will cost me about $25000, which is like this: I get to a neighboring country let's Turkey for example then I turn myself in to United Nations (UN) through which I can start Immigration process to Canada with a successful rate of 99%, and I will not lose any money until I enter Canada as an immigrant, what do you think of that?

You need either a TRV or transit visa to board the airplane to Canada. So without a TRV or transit visa - what they are proposing involves some kind of fraud.

The second option is perfectly legal / allowed.

 

[Rob_TO]

I spoke with one of the guys at the company, he said that they are going to use my original Iraqi passport, I also asked if I get a transient Canada visa he said no its not,

Without a TRV in the passport, no airline will allow you boarding on a flight to Canada.

Whatever they are saying, it sounds like a scam.

There one other thing, they said there another way which will cost me about $25000, which is like this: I get to a neighboring country let's Turkey for example then I turn myself in to United Nations (UN) through which I can start Immigration process to Canada with a successful rate of 99%, and I will not lose any money until I enter Canada as an immigrant, what do you think of that?

Where are you getting "99%" stat from?? Nowhere near that high, it's quite hard to be recognized as a refugee and come to Canada as such. Even more so if you're a single male with no family.

 

[Toronto316]

Where are you getting "99%" stat from?? Nowhere near that high, it's quite hard to be recognized as a refugee and come to Canada as such. Even more so if you're a single male with no family.

that what they say.
anyways thank you so much guys for your clarifications

 

[Elzen]

I asked some people. they said the landed in the usa an crossed the border illegally. When you cross border illegally and claim a refugee, canada can not deport you.

 

[Copingwithlife]

I asked some people. they said the landed in the usa an crossed the border illegally. When you cross border illegally and claim a refugee, canada can not deport you.

That’s definitely incorrect

 

[jddd]

I asked some people. they said the landed in the usa an crossed the border illegally. When you cross border illegally and claim a refugee, canada can not deport you.

Whoever told you that is a liar.

I have seen PLENTY who have been deported who crossed the border illegally. They were deported back to their home country and not to the USA.

 

[21Goose]

I asked some people. they said the landed in the usa an crossed the border illegally. When you cross border illegally and claim a refugee, canada can not deport you.

They are referring to something called the Safe Third Country agreement.

In a nutshell, if you are already in the US, you cannot make a refugee claim at a Canadian land border post (there are some exceptions). However, if you cross into Canada illegally, you can make a refugee claim to an officer inside Canada.

However, that has nothing to do with being deported. You can still be deported if your claim is rejected.