Major problems associated with BILL C-24

[SinghLovCan]

As per BILL C-24 do we need to write IELTS test, before citizenship
I had been informed that before applying for citizenship an individual has to get good score in IELTS

Then just write one. What's the deal. Its a simple test that checks your speaking, listening, writing and reading abilities. If you have bad English, then practice and take some classes. They are not asking for a big score. You just need to get Band 5. This is very easy to get.

 

[jhjeppe]

You can't be convicted of being a terrorist by speaking out against the government. That is called Freedom of Speech. However if you act on it by blowing up a pipeline on behalf of environmental fanatics then you can be labeled a environmental terrorist. After all you caused danger to people's lives.

Burden of proof
(2) If an instrument referred to in subsection (1) prohibits the deprivation of citizenship that would render a person stateless, a person who claims that subsection 10(2) or 10.1(2) would operate in the manner described in subsection (1) must prove, on a balance of probabilities, that the person is not a citizen of any country of which the Minister has reasonable grounds to believe the person is a citizen.

The statement says that the person must prove to the minister that he/she cannot obtain another citizenship if the minister believe you have dual citizenship. Take for example. A Canadian born parent had a child in US. The child is American but didn't bother to register the child as Canadian. The child is also Canadian by law as well. Just didn't bother to go about to get it. This is what the burden of proof is for. An convicted terrorist may have legally obtained another citizenship by law, similar to Canadian citizenship law. So even though the person believed he/she holds single citizenship, when in fact, holds two citizenship or more. The only way the person would be legally holding single citizenship is by actually renouncing the other unintended citizenship. Look as Ted Cruz. He was considered by law, dual citizen, US and Canadian. He lived his life as an American but he is also Canadian by law. He had to officially renounce his Canadian citizenship.

So in summary, if you have another citizenship other than Canada obtained by foreign country's law such as by descent for example, as much as you want to preach to everyone that you are single citizenship holder, you do, in fact, hold dual citizenship. If you really want to a single citizenship holder, you must do your diligent to renounce any other citizenship obtained by law. In my case, I only hold Canadian citizenship. I cannot obtain any other foreign citizenship by law, even through my grandparents. So no worries for me being "REMOVED" according to you.

You do realized that sovereign citizens in US are considered to be domestic terror threat right? You do realized that some of them have been convicted on tax evasion in Canada because they haven't been paying income tax. And some of them have been driving without a license and insurance causing danger to public, right? So much for the safety of the public.

You do not need to be convicted or charged with anything... You don't even need to be charged with anything... the suspicion alone is enough... They can strip you of your citizenship on a whim... This is what the new law proposes... Freedom of speech? ??? ??? ??? Dreams are free my friend... LMFAO... take a gander here and see what im talking about... http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2012/06/04/stephen_harper_government_turns_environmentalists_into_public_enemies.html

As for the dual citizenship... You don't have to have dual citizenship, you only need to have the ability to "obtain" dual citizenship... This means if your parents or grandparent or grandparent's parents were from another country, In Canada's eyes, you have the ability to obtain dual citizenship. As for rendering a person stateless... This will not apply to a person "suspected" of terrorism as that person's right goes away automatically... Terrorist or suspected Terrorist (as Terrorist is defined in Bill C-24) = No rights... which means that right of not being able to be declared stateless does not apply to you. Once you are suspected of terrorism (whether it is because you practice "freedom of Speech or actual terrorism), you don't have the right to a trial, you don't have the right to legal counsel or anything else for that matter... You simply have no more rights at all.

As for the “intent to reside” clause, I still believe it is meant for the period from the time you submit your application to the day you become Canadian. Once you become Canadian, you have a right as a Canadian to leave and enter Canada as long as you want. That is part of the constitution. However if, in the event (however unlikely), meant to be forcing naturalized Canadians to stay in Canada for rest of their lives, it is not enforceable. Take a look at the British citizenship law. They have the same thing. I have seen and met lots of Britons-Canadian living outside UK for years and they never lost their citizenship despite the British law having “intent to reside” clause in their Nationality Act.

What you "believe" is irrelevant... What is written on the bill is what matters and what's written simply means something different from what they are saying as you will see from the video that I have posted.

As for the Sovereign Citizen declaration... I do have a problem with those people who use this to evade taxes, driver's licenses and insurance as you have said... These are people who use this for all the wrong reasons... I do not intend to become a Sovereign citizen, it was a mere thought but not something that I will never pursue as I believe that it is not a solution to any kind of problem....

 

[FIYAZALI]

If for saying after certain time, I get Canadian passport and I cancelled my Indian passport.
Later on due to some other strange rules or working outside Canada, doing business else were results in cancellation of Canadian citizenship.
If this happens what will be my nationality?
Will they give status as refuge for such candidates as my Indian passport will also be canceled

 

[screech339]

(2) The Minister may revoke a person's citizenship if the person, before or after the coming into force of this subsection and while the person was a citizen,

(a) was convicted under section 47 of the Criminal Code of treason and sentenced to imprisonment for life or was convicted of high treason under that section;

(b) was convicted of a terrorism offence as defined in section 2 of the Criminal Code — or an offence outside Canada that, if committed in Canada, would constitute a terrorism offence as defined in that section — and sentenced to at least five years of imprisonment;

(c) was convicted of an offence under any of sections 73 to 76 of the National Defence Act and sentenced to imprisonment for life because the person acted traitorously;

(d) was convicted of an offence under section 78 of the National Defence Act and sentenced to imprisonment for life;

(e) was convicted of an offence under section 130 of the National Defence Act in respect of an act or omission that is punishable under section 47 of the Criminal Code and sentenced to imprisonment for life;

(f) was convicted under the National Defence Act of a terrorism offence as defined in subsection 2(1) of that Act and sentenced to at least five years of imprisonment;

(g) was convicted of an offence described in section 16 or 17 of the Security of Information Act and sentenced to imprisonment for life; or

(h) was convicted of an offence under section 130 of the National Defence Act in respect of an act or omission that is punishable under section 16 or 17 of the Security of Information Act and sentenced to imprisonment for life

Hmmmm: Every one of them said you must be convicted first in order to remove your citizenship. Not stripped because you hung around with the bad guys or you were critical of government through freedom of speech.

 

[FIYAZALI]

Hi.
screech339

Is there any good debate video on bill c-24