LIMA LMO Question for EE

[amro375]

Hi amro375,
My LMO expiry date was sept 2013 which meant I had to apply for a visa/work permit before this date, the LMO was issued by hrdc for 24 months that is also called the LMO duration..so provided my passport is not expiring for those 24 months , I got a work permit till the end of the visa issued to me...

The work permit issued bears the name of the employer for whom the positive LMO was awarded..so the question of current work permit having employers name..

On your wp approval letter u will also have the uci reference..which gives details of your work permit ...so please mention this when asked if u have applied for CIC earlier..

Don't see any reason for complications..moreover u need to give facts whatever they are rather than just giving what fetches u max points..
All the best..

Regards,
Aarti

In the question: do you have LMIA would you answered YES?
Is your work permit with LIMA: would you answered YES?
LIMA duration: you will put LMO duration time not TWP duration time?

 

[amro375]

I call it too negative thinking and un needed worry. It would never say LMO OR LMIA because LMIA is the new procedure. However, you have seen in CIC's official documentation that LMO = LMIA (this precise statement, link was quoted above earlier). So it makes perfect sense.

Lastly, the call center guys are never the absolute authority. If you read the official instruction, you won't have these doubts. ANY ONE who applied for a work permit is coming fora temp stay SO NO LMO can be for indefinite time. It is always for a limited number of years. The only exception in older system was when some one applies via FSW2 for PR with permanent LMO and job offer.

Any way the official wording says if your employer is willing to employ you for reasonable length of time (and you already had LMO + work permit) you are good to go. Please go through the three cases quote already for EE eligibility.

Moreover, i know several people who have done the same. I myself would be following the exact same route and situation. If it turns out misrepresentation, there would be tons of people who would have committed it.

Stop worrying unnecessarily. Misrepresentation is something completely different. It is easier to determine that.

Well I do believe that many who has LMO will check on the answer that they have LMIA.

I cant understand if there are two different types of LMO. Is there LMO for temporary worker and LMO for permanent job?

Is there a way to check my LMO which type it is.

Because the CIC agent mentioned to me that if you have permanent LMO you are okay but if you have LMO for temp worker you are not.
I cannot understand yet what hi thought by that.

What kind of LMO do you have?

Just to make it clear, you called CIC too?

 

[fkl]

Well I do believe that many who has LMO will check on the answer that they have LMIA.

I cant understand if there are two different types of LMO. Is there LMO for temporary worker and LMO for permanent job?

Is there a way to check my LMO which type it is.

Because the CIC agent mentioned to me that if you have permanent LMO you are okay but if you have LMO for temp worker you are not.
I cannot understand yet what hi thought by that.

What kind of LMO do you have?

Just to make it clear, you called CIC too?

It is not exactly an LMO type. It is more about the intent of the employer to choose a path for hiring a worker. E.g. if you are offering some one a permanent job, CIC would argue that you should say that in offer, get an LMO without any time frame limit and apply for PR.

As opposed to this, employers didn't want to wait for the long duration of PR processing, typically in years. So they would put in a few years in offer and get the employee to apply for temp work permit. While being here they would apply and get a PR.

Every one i know has a temp LMO. Otherwise they would already be here on a PR which is why i think the CIC agent you spoke to, doesn't know what he is talking about. No one gets a temp work permit on a permanent duration LMO.

And no, i didn't call CIC helpline and i don't see the need. Following was clear enough for me

"has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and"


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/offer.asp

 

[Aarti21]

In the question: do you have LMIA would you answered YES?
Is your work permit with LIMA: would you answered YES?
LIMA duration: you will put LMO duration time not TWP duration time?

Yes..
Regards,
Aarti

 

[amro375]

It is not exactly an LMO type. It is more about the intent of the employer to choose a path for hiring a worker. E.g. if you are offering some one a permanent job, CIC would argue that you should say that in offer, get an LMO without any time frame limit and apply for PR.

As opposed to this, employers didn't want to wait for the long duration of PR processing, typically in years. So they would put in a few years in offer and get the employee to apply for temp work permit. While being here they would apply and get a PR.

Every one i know has a temp LMO. Otherwise they would already be here on a PR which is why i think the CIC agent you spoke to, doesn't know what he is talking about. No one gets a temp work permit on a permanent duration LMO.

And no, i didn't call CIC helpline and i don't see the need. Following was clear enough for me

"has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and"


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/offer.asp

I got you know. Yes the agent was referring to LMO without duration period on it, but I do not know anyone with that kind of LMO, but I assumed that there are people with LMO without duration.
Your LMO has duration of 3 years?

So basically you will apply with you LMO as though you have LMIA.

In other words, your job offer is valid, whether you are working in Canada or not, if your current or prospective employer:

has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and
has a positive Labour Market Impact Assessment from ESDC. - Here you will present you LMO
The only time the employer making you the offer does not need to get a new LMIA is when you are already working for them with a work permit that is based on an LMIA.

 

[amro375]

From all the replays it seems that everyone with LMO that is currently working in Canada will apply with Arranged Job offer and will claim 600 points.
If they ban as there will be thousands of us

 

[fkl]

I got you know. Yes the agent was referring to LMO without duration period on it, but I do not know anyone with that kind of LMO, but I assumed that there are people with LMO without duration.
Your LMO has duration of 3 years?

So basically you will apply with you LMO as though you have LMIA.

In other words, your job offer is valid, whether you are working in Canada or not, if your current or prospective employer:

has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and
has a positive Labour Market Impact Assessment from ESDC. - Here you will present you LMO
The only time the employer making you the offer does not need to get a new LMIA is when you are already working for them with a work permit that is based on an LMIA.

That's correct. If one has an LMO without specified duration, CIC would refuse a work permit app, and ask for the person to apply for PR instead. I have actually seen this happening. Yes, mine had three years originally although due to my passport's expiry it was shortened to 2 years and a couple months.

 

[fkl]

From all the replays it seems that everyone with LMO that is currently working in Canada will apply with Arranged Job offer and will claim 600 points.
If they ban as there will be thousands of us

That's true and it is synonymous with CIC's true intent. They originally want to eliminate or at least want to cut down on tfw program. And they want to reduce the number of PR's having a hard time finding jobs. The best way is to give PR faster to people with already confirmed jobs.

I literally foresee that once EE is going smooth, it would get far far harder to actually still pursue tfw program.

 

[anoirmimi]

From all the replays it seems that everyone with LMO that is currently working in Canada will apply with Arranged Job offer and will claim 600 points.
If they ban as there will be thousands of us

hey I was spoke to my consultans regarding this Mather he said to me if you lmo or lmia and work permit valid you will claim 600 point so Iam sure for that but only to filled my application to shard with this information charge me 550 bucks but if his right I will call cic to confirm with them

 

[John155]

That's true and it is synonymous with CIC's true intent. They originally want to eliminate or at least want to cut down on tfw program. And they want to reduce the number of PR's having a hard time finding jobs. The best way is to give PR faster to people with already confirmed jobs.

I literally foresee that once EE is going smooth, it would get far far harder to actually still pursue tfw program.

Exactly,

Exactly.,

But in my case NOC-B , I got an LMO in 23 Nov 2013 and Opinion expiry date was 23 May 2014. I received work permit in February 2014, actually my employer has requested for 2 years but HRDC issued until Nov 2015 only. (1 yr 9 months).
My employer gave me the offer letter full time permanent and valid for 2 years. Mentioned in the offer letter that start of employment is February 2014 but i landed and started in the month of May 2014 only.

My issues are here,
1. Do i meet the eligibility criteria for FSW express entry? (Waiting for IELTS score card)
2. Still my LMO is valid (I mean WP validity) but until Nov 28' 2015 only?
3. Is this offer letter would be fine? Mentioned " Employment shall continue for 2 Years, unless terminated earlier pursuant to the terms and conditions of the agreement"
4. "has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and" - So do we need to get a separate offer letter from current employer.

Guys anyone please share your opinions about case.
Thanks

 

[amro375]

hey I was spoke to my consultans regarding this Mather he said to me if you lmo or lmia and work permit valid you will claim 600 point so Iam sure for that but only to filled my application to shard with this information charge me 550 bucks but if his right I will call cic to confirm with them

He will rip you off. Why paying for consultant when you can fill the application on your own.
But it is your decision at the end.

 

[anoirmimi]

He will rip you off. Why paying for consultant when you can fill the application on your own.
But it is your decision at the end.

Thank you bro for advice because I didn't find any body to help me for that and also Iam very busy and also get confuse about lmia by the way I call cic right now they confirmed with me if we need new lmia the systeme of EE it will stop and she was very help full she s you are ok with this lmo

 

[amelia1727]

Exactly,

Exactly.,

But in my case NOC-B , I got an LMO in 23 Nov 2013 and Opinion expiry date was 23 May 2014. I received work permit in February 2014, actually my employer has requested for 2 years but HRDC issued until Nov 2015 only. (1 yr 9 months).
My employer gave me the offer letter full time permanent and valid for 2 years. Mentioned in the offer letter that start of employment is February 2014 but i landed and started in the month of May 2014 only.

My issues are here,
1. Do i meet the eligibility criteria for FSW express entry? (Waiting for IELTS score card)
2. Still my LMO is valid (I mean WP validity) but until Nov 28' 2015 only?
3. Is this offer letter would be fine? Mentioned " Employment shall continue for 2 Years, unless terminated earlier pursuant to the terms and conditions of the agreement"
4. "has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and" - So do we need to get a separate offer letter from current employer.

Guys anyone please share your opinions about case.
Thanks

Here's my answer?
1. Do i meet the eligibility criteria for FSW express entry? (Waiting for IELTS score card)

It depends what position are you holding. EE has only skilled position that are qualified to use the stream. It's not a pointing basis for EE.

2. Still my LMO is valid (I mean WP validity) but until Nov 28' 2015 only?
Yes it is still valid as long as you are holding a valid work visa/permit. However, you must secure LMIA in order to extend your stay in Canada.

3. Is this offer letter would be fine? Mentioned " Employment shall continue for 2 Years, unless terminated earlier pursuant to the terms and conditions of the agreement"

Yes. This format was apprehended by the government in hiring foreign worker.

4. "has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and" - So do we need to get a separate offer letter from current employer.

No. You don't need as of the moment. You will need another offer letter once you are submitting your application for PR. Otherwise, you don't need two since your original status is not a combination of the two.

 

[amelia1727]

It is not exactly an LMO type. It is more about the intent of the employer to choose a path for hiring a worker. E.g. if you are offering some one a permanent job, CIC would argue that you should say that in offer, get an LMO without any time frame limit and apply for PR.

As opposed to this, employers didn't want to wait for the long duration of PR processing, typically in years. So they would put in a few years in offer and get the employee to apply for temp work permit. While being here they would apply and get a PR.

Every one i know has a temp LMO. Otherwise they would already be here on a PR which is why i think the CIC agent you spoke to, doesn't know what he is talking about. No one gets a temp work permit on a permanent duration LMO.

And no, i didn't call CIC helpline and i don't see the need. Following was clear enough for me

"has made an offer to give you a full-time job for at least one year if you are accepted as a permanent resident, and"


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/offer.asp

LMO has always a timeframe. And there is no "No one gets a temp work permit on a permanent duration LMO." If you are holding a work permit it means everything is temporary. The only permanent is when you obtain your Permanent resident hence you do not need LMO/LMIA for this.

LMO/LMIA has a maximum timeframe of 2 years. No one is given more than of the 2 years. Which is now reduced to 1 yr.

 

[fkl]

LMO has always a timeframe. And there is no "No one gets a temp work permit on a permanent duration LMO." If you are holding a work permit it means everything is temporary. The only permanent is when you obtain your Permanent resident hence you do not need LMO/LMIA for this.

LMO/LMIA has a maximum timeframe of 2 years. No one is given more than of the 2 years. Which is now reduced to 1 yr.

That is partially incorrect. No it is not necessary for an LMO to have a fixed time frame. Read about FSW2 (FSW with arranged employment). Hence the above sentence (No one gets a temp work permit on an LMO mentioning permanent job without time frame).

Yes work permit is for a limited duration. However, the 2 year and more lately 1 year limit only applies to low / semi skilled jobs.

LMO can state work permit duration of up to four years at a time (mine and a lot of others had it for 3 years). Even NOC 0 or A are exempted from the 4 year limit.

Lastly, the above 2 or 1 year limit is only applicable if your offered income is below the provincial average.